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Originally posted by redgy
instead of planting trees, let's fill the nation full of solar panels and wind turbines
add more natural gas lines through everyone's backyard, flood every prime area with hydo-electric mega dams, clear the land for super highways, industrial area's and forced housing developments
isn't this a reason why china wants to stick with less green sources of power, because it is still cheaper than most other processes even though maybe not one as ever decreasing..
what power do you use on cloudy/non-sunshine days, your own 20% free power being sold back to you? how about when the grid itself goes down, do you still laugh it up with enough to spare?
how green will it really be when building all these power plants, most of australia will be waiting for decades before being placed on any such grid,
Originally posted by MidnightTide
Good knowing you Australia, the carbon tax will effectively hand over your country to the socialists.
(I bet some China cheerleaders on ATS are very glad at this event - you know who they are)
Effectively, this carbon tax will allow the government to dictate which businesses thrive, and which ones don't. Wonder which ones will get to survive, perhaps those who toe the socialist party line.edit on 2-7-2012 by MidnightTide because: (no reason given)
No joke. Yet, you oppose them getting a foothold in your support for fossil fuels. Own goal. Yet, you probably never bat an eyelid at the billions in tax payer funds being given to fossil fuel companies to build roads, rail, ports and provide subsidies do you? But oh no, let's get enraged about competition!
Originally posted by MollyStewart
reply to post by Hannagan
No joke. Yet, you oppose them getting a foothold in your support for fossil fuels. Own goal. Yet, you probably never bat an eyelid at the billions in tax payer funds being given to fossil fuel companies to build roads, rail, ports and provide subsidies do you? But oh no, let's get enraged about competition!
Like I said in my initial post, I would be all for investing in cheaper, cleaner and renewable energy and you completely ignore my point. The Government has proven it will cater to existing fossil fuel corporations by not investing in cheaper, effective and renewable energy.
reply to post by Hannagan
The renewables subsidies we found to cost nearly $400 per tonne to mitigate CO2. That's why a carbon tax is better at $23 tonne.
Originally posted by MidnightTide
(I bet some China cheerleaders on ATS are very glad at this event - you know who they are)
Originally posted by MidnightTide
Good knowing you Australia, the carbon tax will effectively hand over your country to the socialists.
(I bet some China cheerleaders on ATS are very glad at this event - you know who they are)
Effectively, this carbon tax will allow the government to dictate which businesses thrive, and which ones don't. Wonder which ones will get to survive, perhaps those who toe the socialist party line.edit on 2-7-2012 by MidnightTide because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by MollyStewart
reply to post by Hannagan
The renewables subsidies we found to cost nearly $400 per tonne to mitigate CO2. That's why a carbon tax is better at $23 tonne.
I agree, $23 per tonne is better than $400 per tonne. Regardless; when the cost is passed on to the consumer what does it matter? It is just another tax upon the people. Perhaps you can show me where the government demonstrate that it will effectively reduce carbon emissions or offer more affordable, effective and cleaner energy? I would greatly appreciate it.
Originally posted by munkey66
reply to post by steve1709
We can afford the restaurants still, my family live comfortably, but we work hard for it, I made mention of incentives, people such as myself have done the right thing all along and get punished, I see no equity in this tax as those who dont give a dam get off free as the government assists them in their poor choices.
I know that Abbot will not get rid of the tax as it will be too hard to get rid of due to a possible hostile senate and the greens with their finger in the pie.
This is the start of a scientific dictatorship and most clowns are ringing the dinner bell calling for the ushering in of their own demise believing that this is how to save the planet.
Nothing funnier to TPTB than watching free men begging for their own bondage thinking that it will save the planet.
BTW, where can you only pay $50 dollars for a meal? and dont say sizzleredit on 3-7-2012 by munkey66 because: added content