Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by WhatAreThey
Giving credit to a cop for NOT lying. That's great.
So you don't give credit for someone doing the right thing?
I don't give credit to people for NOT going to jail, or NOT lying, or NOT committing murder, or NOT beating their wives. You aren't SUPPOSED to do
any of that and you certainly aren't going out of your way by not doing it. You don't go tell everyone you see on the street, "Hey good job! You
didn't rape anybody today!" do you?
God forbid someone actually treat a cop like a person. They are, you know. Sometimes they are bad persons, but they are persons.
God forbid a cop assume someone is innocent until proven guilty.
If the cop was using physical force illegally, that would be a different story. If the cop was attempting to rape someone, that would be a different
story. But in any case, are you able to take down a cop who is armed, trained, experienced, and has backup? The incident is going before a judge at
some point anyway, and I would think it wiser to give the cop your name and, if you feel you have a case, go to a lawyer once you are finished.
A wise man picks his fights. A fool looks for fights.
"The incident is going before a judge at some point anyway" How do you figure that? What's with all of the cold cases, unsolved crimes, unsolved
homicides etc...? Did all these people just not protect themselves because they had your attitude that good prevails and that every crime ends up
before a judge "at some point anyway"?
Did you know that the Indiana governor just recently signed a bill into law giving private citizens the right to use deadly force against
police officers by putting them in the same legal standing as private citizens when performing crimes?
Yes, and I support that. But do you equate asking for ID without suspicion on a par with breaking into a house and raping someone?
Yes, they are both illegal in this case. They equate perfectly well in that regard. One action is not less-than or more-than illegal than the other.
Sure, one crime may have a harsher punishment than the other, but they are certainly both illegal.
Calling the cops to investigate an innocent person who is exercising his rights to open-carry is along the same lanes of someone calling the
cops on an innocent black man just because they are scared of black people. It's wrong on many levels
But you appear to think the guy should have shot the cop for asking for his ID! What exactly did you want the cop to do? Ignore the call? Quit his
job? Cry and beg for forgiveness? Arrest himself? What?
The very fact that once his supervisor arrived and took the responsibility of the decision he was happy to comply says he was not doing this to
harass... he was doing his job!
The Nazi's were just doing their jobs too. A Hit man who kills someone is just doing his job. An organized crime henchmen is just doing his job. Pay
someone to rob a bank - just doing his job! They are all illegal, but because they are JOBS, you somehow find the illegal actions valid?
His job is to investigate legal activity? What kind of job is that?
He has no more of a right to ask for that man's ID in that situation than I do to demand your ID when I see you on the street. Legal precedence
protects the man from being investigated for any type of suspicious based solely on him carrying openly - something the "cop" was ignorant of. The
cop was doing something, but it wasn't his job (upholding the law), as the law disagrees with everything the cop was doing especially since the cop
admitted that he stopped the man solely because he was carrying a weapon openly. Translation: I stopped to detain you and question you for your legal
activity because I can make up stuff, and lie because the RedNeck agrees with me.
The cop wasn't doing his job to uphold the law. He was doing quite the opposite: Dismissing the law.
The guy with the camera, the guy you are praising, was making that job harder on purpose. We have a word for people like that around here, which I
will not repeat in polite company.
Again, what job? A "pedestrian check"? A "paper's please" check? Everything he was doing was illegal. He was illegally detaining the man.
Illegally requested his ID. Illegally seized his personal property. The cop didn't know what he was doing. He wasn't performing his job correctly
unless his job is to illegally harass people.
The Cop was the one making his own job harder, by NOT KNOWING HOW TO DO IT PROPERLY. He was obliviously getting On-the-job training from a citizen who
knows the law better than the enforcer knows the law.