Cops Attempt to Detain a guy with a gun, Supervisor comes in ..Can i have my gun back Sir ? .. Yup !, page 5


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reply posted on 25-6-2012 @ 10:57 AM by TheRedneck
reply to post by WhatAreThey
Giving credit to a cop for NOT lying. That's great.

So you don't give credit for someone doing the right thing?

God forbid someone is aware of their rights and takes a stand against a so-called authority figure attempting to trample on them.

God forbid someone actually treat a cop like a person. They are, you know. Sometimes they are bad persons, but they are persons.

That is absurd. If you valued yourself or your own life, you would enforce YOUR OWN rights when they needed to be enforced. I sincerely hope people don't teach their daughters to comply with rape because the time to enforce her rights are in court!

Was this guy's life in danger? Did he think the cop was going to hit him in the head and run off with his gun?

If the cop was using physical force illegally, that would be a different story. If the cop was attempting to rape someone, that would be a different story. But in any case, are you able to take down a cop who is armed, trained, experienced, and has backup? The incident is going before a judge at some point anyway, and I would think it wiser to give the cop your name and, if you feel you have a case, go to a lawyer once you are finished.

A wise man picks his fights. A fool looks for fights.

Did you know that the Indiana governor just recently signed a bill into law giving private citizens the right to use deadly force against police officers by putting them in the same legal standing as private citizens when performing crimes?

Yes, and I support that. But do you equate asking for ID without suspicion on a par with breaking into a house and raping someone?

Calling the cops to investigate an innocent person who is exercising his rights to open-carry is along the same lanes of someone calling the cops on an innocent black man just because they are scared of black people. It's wrong on many levels

Agreed!

But you appear to think the guy should have shot the cop for asking for his ID! What exactly did you want the cop to do? Ignore the call? Quit his job? Cry and beg for forgiveness? Arrest himself? What?

The very fact that once his supervisor arrived and took the responsibility of the decision he was happy to comply says he was not doing this to harass... he was doing his job!

The guy with the camera, the guy you are praising, was making that job harder on purpose. We have a word for people like that around here, which I will not repeat in polite company.

TheRedneck


reply posted on 25-6-2012 @ 11:15 AM by TheRedneck
reply to post by Shark_Feeder

Before or after he ascertained that fact?

Because that is exactly what he was trying to determine until his supervisor made the call.

TheRedneck


reply posted on 25-6-2012 @ 11:20 AM by Shark_Feeder
Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to
post by Shark_Feeder

Before or after he ascertained that fact?

Because that is exactly what he was trying to determine until his supervisor made the call.

TheRedneck


Are you even aware that citizens of this country are innocent until proven guilty? Someone calling the cops to make my day hell does not make me a felon...nor is carrying a weapon evidence of any crime.

The police cannot assume anyone they encounter is a violent criminal. That is the way the law works...or was intended to work.


reply posted on 25-6-2012 @ 11:21 AM by Xtrozero
Originally posted by Shark_Feeder

Well it was the police who choose to engage him...not the other way around. Also...you don't find it disturbing that "law enforcement officers" seem to be completely ignorant of the laws they are here to enforce? That bothers me in many ways.


So what do you think his purpose was to open carry in Portland?

Well it was most likely a good lesson to the young cop... The cop engaged him because he was called to the scene. I guess you can start to bash the local citizen too since they are completely ignorant of the laws. As I said before, open carry is so unusual it draws attention, since the vast majority of the time open carry means some bad guy just did something or is about to do something....The cop investigated it and ran into an aggressive, totally uncooperative person. Being totally uncooperative the cops still saw him well within his rights base on state laws and gave his gun back and moved along.

i.e. nothing to see here folks move along...was the end result....

I also love how you all feel the need to debate by using the extreme...as in " completely ignorant of the laws. If the cop was completely ignorant then he would have arrested the guy... The cop asked him what was his name, then just his first name for conversation then let it drop. The end result was the situation was checked out and everyone went their own way....great...freedom at work...




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reply posted on 25-6-2012 @ 11:53 AM by dainoyfb
reply to post by Xtrozero



He didn't just talk to him, he detained him. The car analogy is perfect here. Cars kill and injure more people than guns do but a cop doesn't need to detain a driver to determine if they have lawful intentions while driving, nor does a cop have the legal right to do so. The officer did not see the person carying the gun engaging in an illegal activity so he had no legal right to detain him. Whether you like it or not, what the police can legally do comes down to what is written law, not what you think is right or wrong.


reply posted on 25-6-2012 @ 12:21 PM by roadgravel
reply to post by WhatAreThey


I can see thier point. The bank is private property and you could have been part of a crime in the making.

I assume they just said OK and move on to the food place.
edit on 6/25/2012 by roadgravel because: typo

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