Netanyahu: Militant Islam will be defeated by end of century

reply to post by Lazyninja


I know that it is. It frustrates me to no end.

I just don't understand why my country keeps trying to be altruistic when the rest of the world doesn't want it. (It causes a bitterness with my government, within myself.) Well, at least until they need us. I'm not sure why we feel beholden to help everyone, but we do. (perhaps it's our melting pot and connection to all countries through it) We are very forward with our ideas, beliefs, and recommendations.

I don't have it all figured out Lazyninja. I don't think anyone does. We are all fumbling around in a darkness we cannot seem to break away from. Unfortunately, I think the majority of the world is waiting for God. Though it might not be the majority on this site, belief in God is the majority of the world. I think everyone keeps looking up for answers, instead of each other, as God hopes.

reply to post by Rocketman7


So then where those shipping containers are sealed is where you have the big hubs of inspection and regulations and you deal with it all as one big organized system. And then since it is well managed and organized, then the people there including security, get a feel for the whole thing and again build up trust amongst men of good will, building empires of commerce through trust.

And if it is not perfect it is still quite good enough. Britain of course wants to have some sort of chance to provide insurance.

They are quite good at that. The capitalist system, needs insurance because business needs insurance but the free market system says that may the best man win. So as long as they do a good job people will use them.

They are in a position to be able to afford it and I suspect that it will be quite safe so they stand to benefit.

You know I want to build a dry dock in Syria. A big one. For the SCO. Not me personally, I hope to convince the SCO and chip in some money through the IMF so Syria can have some of that dry dock too.

Anyone shipping goods in the region needs the goods to get to market and so they need a place to make repairs.

Originally posted by redneck13
reply to post by g2v12

 

We should never forget history
The United States of America did not exist during the crusades
The very first foreign attack on the United States was perpetrated by Islamic terrorist.
Don’t doubt me, the letter is in the Library of Congress, dated: March 18, 1786 letter written by Thomas Jefferson and John Adams describing their diplomatic initiative with Tripoli.

en.wikipedia.org...

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Islamic terrorism has been identified as taking place in the Middle East, Africa, Europe, South Asia including India, Southeast Asia, and the United States since the 1970s. Islamic terrorist organizations have been known to engage in tactics including suicide attacks, hijackings, kidnapping and recruiting new members through the Internet.

Muslim pirates of Algiers, Morocco, Tunis, and Tripoli Barbary Coast had attacked, enslaved and held American merchant sailors for ransom, soon after the establishment of the United States of America in 1776 (see First Barbary War). These terrorist-type attacks predated any U.S. involvement in the Islamic world and occurred before the US had been involved in any overseas military action. In 1786, future U.S. Presidents Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with Tripoli’s envoy to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman in an attempt to negotiate an end to the piracy. Adams and Jefferson summarized their meeting in a letter dated March 28, 1786 to John Jay, the United States Secretary of Foreign Affairs:

"We took the liberty to make some enquiries concerning the ground of their pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury, and observed that we considered all mankind as our friends who had done us no wrong, nor had given us any provocation. The Ambassador [of Tripoli] answered us that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman (muslims) who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise."[20]

These diplomatic engagements suggest that a modern Jihad-like ideology existed prior to any U.S. involvement in the Islamic world, and that the Koran was used to justify this ideology.
Thus, according to critics of Islam, Islamic terrorism is linked to the practice of divinely sanctioned warfare against apostates.[21][22] Many Muslim groups including the Council on American-Islamic Relations argue that references to violence in Muslim sources have been taken out of context.[23][24][25] They argue that these Koranic ayahs are only for self-defense when non-believers endanger Muslim life.

While a debate may exist on the proper interpretation of Koranic verses, the terrorist actions leading to the First Barbary War and the justification provided by Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman, provide an early example where the Koran was used to justify anti-American terrorism. These events occurred at a time where the U.S. had yet to intervene in the Muslim world and argue against U.S. policy as a fundamental cause of Islamic terrorism. On the contrary, the historical timeline demonstrates that the very first U.S. engagement with the Muslim world was an American response to Islamic terrorism.

edit on 23-6-2012 by redneck13 because: .

To begin with, your post (above) deals with two divergent topics in opposing subject matters. The post begins with Piracy and then slips into Jihad, none of which have anything to do with Terrorism, in matters of fact.

In addition to this, there are two distinct writing styles featured in your post and your sources are not properly referenced. There is no way for participants in the thread to determine the veracity of your quotes without good sources. In other words, you could have taken it from some white supremacy material without even realizing it.

With different writing styles and the mixing of oranges and apples, I wouldn't give any credence to what is being said here.

Also, lets not forget what your tobacco chewing forefathers did to the American Native and the African slave. If you can't recognize how the act of starving and confining millions of indigenous people to the squalor and disease of American (Nazi) prison camps (on their own land) is Terrorism, then what you are saying in your post is a rather mute cause.

Instead of rewriting history to suite your hateful Klan mentality, you should go back to the first grade and learn how to read so that you can tell the difference between a fact and a lie.

reply to post by Rocketman7


I will tell you what Benjamin. I will try to cut 40 billion from the US military budget over the next 4 years and put that towards a land purchase if you want the money.
Half might be forgivable loans the other half decent terms.

It shouldn't be too difficult to do that.

One thing to keep in mind when talking about Mohammed
The followers of Mohammed
get angry

Very angry

reply to post by Rocketman7


Yes we are going to arrange a back-room deal with the Palestinians buy them out and build golf courses and a Disneyland. (Thats what we do)

reply to post by g2v12


Now you had to bring up slavery.
Please stay on topic

I LOVE how we are suppose to live in the past and not the future. Are you kidding me? Because I know you can't be serious as using any post on this thread as an argument.

WE are a WAR species. SORRY, but I AM a native American. We fought against our neighboring tribes before British invaded our lands. This is NOT new. Not to America, Britain, the middle east, Russian, China, - ANYWHERE. America has existed in it's present form for less than 300 years, but you'd like to pin all the world's animosity on America? Are you delusional? And people call ME delusional. It really is funny.

I'm a stupid American I guess. I think that our constitution, which led to the equality, law, and development of our country, is one of the most ingenious creations within the last millennium. Believe what you want to believe, work at things you want to work at, and surely don't let your birth dictate how far you can go in this world.

WOW. What a concept. But the rest of the world would now say America is wrong. Just like they said in the beginning. Just like they said in the end. At the end, trust me, tolerance for others is the only thing that will matter. American's don't care what you are - we care about the right to live. Not all of us will be equal, we are working at that, but America tries not to forsake anyone. (Even outside our own country, which is not appreciated, and which I say should be forgotten. Screw other countries. Leave them to their own devices.)

If their are not any American's explaining that to you - then you are not speaking to the yoke of the land. The people who really matter. You are not listening to your Elders. In fact, you probably condemn them for their "old-fashioned" views. Or maybe your not American, in which case, our understanding between each other would take even more effort.

I am not willing to change my view without convincing evidence - why would I ? I am proud to be who I am, and if you are ashamed, that is your own undoing - not mine. I live in a world of diversity. I know other countries hate that - but tough. It is the right way to be. Tolerant and diverse. I could give a sh*t if your Muslim, so long as you respect my differences of belief.

~ Serra

Originally posted by dominicus
reply to post by CALGARIAN

 

Ur entitled to your opinion, however ive studied religion, psychology, humanism, meditation, etc and found that pretty much the greatest minds in the world, at least most of them, have concluded that ego/separatist thinking is the cause of all the worlds troubles.

Sure; but what you'll also find, is that said ego and seperatism exist primarily in the minds of the elderly. It is not the nature of the young to hate; the old teach them to do it. Islam as a religion would have died long ago, if it were not for the vitriol of the old mullahs.

If humanity has made a single greater mistake than any other, it has been to always entrust our governance to those who only have the grave to look forward to; because in their envy and resentment of youth, they become determined to take the young into it with them.

reply to post by Rocketman7


American military budget got expensive lately. 1.4 trillion.

en.wikipedia.org...

And you can see people shouting for reform and thats why the troops are leaving probably.

700 billion for DOD.

Bush just has no concept of money. Missile defense systems. I can't even imagine how much money he wasted on that and for what?
I am sure that upped the budget 200 billion.

Well 40 billion is a small sum by comparison. And that is all you need to work a deal in the West Bank.

1.4 trillion is still not much when the GDP is 15 trillion. Its really as the man says at the bottom a matter of whether or not its worth the money. Its difficult to justify to keep spending it in the middle east.

I'm all for militant Islam taking a hike but I'm even more for militaristic Zionism being eradicated. Actually, why can't we just put a dome over the middle east and let them duke it out? Dump all the crazy bible belters in there too. Then the rest of us can just chill and live. Imagine that, no bankers and no religious nuts, sounds good to me. I wonder how long it'll take for them to realize their messiah isn't coming? Atleast not for them.

reply to post by Rocketman7


1.4 times 4 = 5.6 trillion.

5,600,000,000,000 American dollars. But it usually ends up being 6 trillion.
They saved 300 billion. By efficiencies. Which is quite good and totally unnecessary because we want them to eat well, and we expect it will cost 6 trillion.
But it shows they are not wasting it. But we are the ones who make the budget so that would be for us to decide.

However we make it according to their needs but in the next 4 years other than some logistics, I don't see any unforeseen expenditures. But I am all for a bit of construction.

But we will carve 40 billion out of that and put it towards land purchase for the West Bank if you want to do that deal. Are there conditions? No, but if you want to do some trade center cooperative things with the American military we can pay for that. A place for inspections and logistics of trade. The amount of money is for construction so build whatever you want just don't go crazy with one little trade depot. Then no matter what you build it couldn't possibly cost more than we can afford.

reply to post by Rocketman7


You see Benjamin the secret to all of this? We always want to try to keep things cut and dry.
There is a 4 year term so we tell them what they can spend and we give them more than they need.
But we give them 6 trillion dollars. A nice easy to remember amount.

In 12 years they have kept their budget according to this standard and have had enough money to purchase equipment. Maintaining a modern army yes.

The problem you seem to always be having there from what I see is any negotiations becomes complicated too quickly.

Your land swap deal as an example.

As opposed to my suggestion where you pay each person, buy the whole thing, then sell back a piece to each.
Then the amount is not as important since you are buying it for the same price as you are selling it back to them.
How could they argue about the price? Do they want to pay more?

Question is,
If the United States buys Palestine, where will all the Palestinians go when evicted?

reply to post by petrus4


Ironically, being in a position that takes care of the elderly, I can say you are full of sh*t.

The majority of individuals I have had the fortunate pleasure of taking care of - has NEVER displayed to me animosity or jealousy toward the younger generations. In fact, they seem to be extremely concerned and hopeful for their children's children and great-grand-children. (We live a lot longer now.)

I am sorry. But if any of you think that our elderly have anything but our best interests at heart, you are a fool. I'm not saying that they might not be fools themselves, following along with the younger generations inane ideas. But it is not the elderly you have to worry about - it is the young egotistical leaders of the future you should have your eye on. The elderly know they are going to the grave, the younger leaders hope for science uncovering the secret to immortality.

~ Serra

Originally posted by DerekJR321

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04

Originally posted by CALGARIAN

Originally posted by yourmaker
what about Militant Judaism? Militant Christianity?

What do you mean?

You mean Southern Redneck Hardcore Christians, with guns and bombs, going around killing people in the name of Jesus Christ? (lol)

OR do you mean the U.S Army with Bible verses on the scope?

edit on 22-6-2012 by CALGARIAN because: (no reason given)

He means the hardcore Christians flying planed into middle eastern scryscrapers. Wait it didnt happen? Then he means Militant Jews strapping bombs to their chest and running into the middle of children and blowing them up, surely we have lots of cases of that.

Actually.. we have lots more examples of militant Israelis PRETENDING to be Muslims and blowing things up, and then blaming it on the Muslims.

And I find that statement by Netenwhateverthehell to be hysterical. Israel "creates" things? How much technology has Israel stolen over the last 50 years??

I'd love some factual examples of this. Also I do not support your theory that Israel has stolen a lot, but even if it had that has no bearing on whether it also creates things. Try again.

Originally posted by conspiracy88
Actually, why can't we just put a dome over the middle east and let them duke it out?

Because Israel has nuclear weapons. If it wasn't for that, I would advocate exactly the same solution to the problem myself.

reply to post by CALGARIAN


I'm more worried about Zionism and militant Christianity.

Israel should do us a favor and borrow the concept of overthrowing the hawks that are destroying the Middle East.

Originally posted by Serraphina
reply to post by petrus4

 

Ironically, being in a position that takes care of the elderly, I can say you are full of sh*t.

Elderly people who aren't in positions of authority, tend to be just like anyone else. You're right there.

My grievance is with gerontocracy, specifically. I don't have anything against the elderly in other terms; I just don't think they're the appropriate demographic for being in government, or serving as religious leaders.

you can say that militant islam will be defeated only if you are very disconnected from reality (or very unintelligent)...

look what is happening with 'arab spring' (read: militant extremist spring)... the countries that were moderate islam are now becoming extremist...

and the irony is: usa and israel are helping them gain power:

www.huffingtonpost.com...

A secret CIA effort to vet rebel forces fighting the Syrian government and help U.S. allies steer arms toward factions likely to be sympathetic to American interests is fraught with dangers not seen in other recent clandestine operations, policy analysts said.