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Originally posted by redneck13
reply to post by g2v12
We should never forget history
The United States of America did not exist during the crusades
The very first foreign attack on the United States was perpetrated by Islamic terrorist.
Don’t doubt me, the letter is in the Library of Congress, dated: March 18, 1786 letter written by Thomas Jefferson and John Adams describing their diplomatic initiative with Tripoli.
Islamic terrorism has been identified as taking place in the Middle East, Africa, Europe, South Asia including India, Southeast Asia, and the United States since the 1970s. Islamic terrorist organizations have been known to engage in tactics including suicide attacks, hijackings, kidnapping and recruiting new members through the Internet.
Muslim pirates of Algiers, Morocco, Tunis, and Tripoli Barbary Coast had attacked, enslaved and held American merchant sailors for ransom, soon after the establishment of the United States of America in 1776 (see First Barbary War). These terrorist-type attacks predated any U.S. involvement in the Islamic world and occurred before the US had been involved in any overseas military action. In 1786, future U.S. Presidents Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with Tripoli’s envoy to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman in an attempt to negotiate an end to the piracy. Adams and Jefferson summarized their meeting in a letter dated March 28, 1786 to John Jay, the United States Secretary of Foreign Affairs:
"We took the liberty to make some enquiries concerning the ground of their pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury, and observed that we considered all mankind as our friends who had done us no wrong, nor had given us any provocation. The Ambassador [of Tripoli] answered us that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman (muslims) who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise."
These diplomatic engagements suggest that a modern Jihad-like ideology existed prior to any U.S. involvement in the Islamic world, and that the Koran was used to justify this ideology.
Thus, according to critics of Islam, Islamic terrorism is linked to the practice of divinely sanctioned warfare against apostates. Many Muslim groups including the Council on American-Islamic Relations argue that references to violence in Muslim sources have been taken out of context. They argue that these Koranic ayahs are only for self-defense when non-believers endanger Muslim life.
While a debate may exist on the proper interpretation of Koranic verses, the terrorist actions leading to the First Barbary War and the justification provided by Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman, provide an early example where the Koran was used to justify anti-American terrorism. These events occurred at a time where the U.S. had yet to intervene in the Muslim world and argue against U.S. policy as a fundamental cause of Islamic terrorism. On the contrary, the historical timeline demonstrates that the very first U.S. engagement with the Muslim world was an American response to Islamic terrorism.
edit on 23-6-2012 by redneck13 because: .
Originally posted by dominicus
reply to post by CALGARIAN
Ur entitled to your opinion, however ive studied religion, psychology, humanism, meditation, etc and found that pretty much the greatest minds in the world, at least most of them, have concluded that ego/separatist thinking is the cause of all the worlds troubles.
Originally posted by DerekJR321
Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
Originally posted by CALGARIAN
Originally posted by yourmaker
what about Militant Judaism? Militant Christianity?
What do you mean?
You mean Southern Redneck Hardcore Christians, with guns and bombs, going around killing people in the name of Jesus Christ? (lol)
OR do you mean the U.S Army with Bible verses on the scope?edit on 22-6-2012 by CALGARIAN because: (no reason given)
He means the hardcore Christians flying planed into middle eastern scryscrapers. Wait it didnt happen? Then he means Militant Jews strapping bombs to their chest and running into the middle of children and blowing them up, surely we have lots of cases of that.
Actually.. we have lots more examples of militant Israelis PRETENDING to be Muslims and blowing things up, and then blaming it on the Muslims.
And I find that statement by Netenwhateverthehell to be hysterical. Israel "creates" things? How much technology has Israel stolen over the last 50 years??
Originally posted by conspiracy88
Actually, why can't we just put a dome over the middle east and let them duke it out?
Originally posted by Serraphina
reply to post by petrus4
Ironically, being in a position that takes care of the elderly, I can say you are full of sh*t.
A secret CIA effort to vet rebel forces fighting the Syrian government and help U.S. allies steer arms toward factions likely to be sympathetic to American interests is fraught with dangers not seen in other recent clandestine operations, policy analysts said.