Disturbing bible verses

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by TheFogHorn

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by TheFogHorn

 

How do you expkain moves of God nowhere near volcanoes??

Two people were healed of cancer and two more of diabetes last month at my church. No volcano within 500 miles.

Four fake healings and hundreds of gullible lost souls.

The Bible is about volcano worship and is padded out with lots of filler.

edit on 21-6-2012 by TheFogHorn because: (no reason given)

No, not fake one chap had a brain tumor and the other kid was a 21 year old who was diagnosed with leukemia and told he was soon to die. We visited both in the hospital. The same doctors who told them they had cancer also had to tell them they were healed. Healings are routine at my church, which is what Christ comissioned us to do in Mark 16. So again, no volcano within 500 miles.

My dad worked in the terminal cancer ward of a hospital for 20 years, and sometimes even the most malignant tumors would disappear. However, in the vast majority of cases though, the patients would eventually die as a result of their diseases. The fact is, some people will naturally recover from these severe situations purely as a result of chance. These occurrence can be mapped out in the standard normal distribution anyone who has ever taken a course in statistics will be familiar with. Michael Shermer writing for Scientific American, explains that many of these ‘miracles’ must occur simply because of the law of large numbers.

More on faith 'healers' here...canadianatheist.com...

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Dude, why are YOU so fascinated with volcanoes? It looks like you worship them actually. Every thread you're going on and on about volcanoes. Kinda getting a lil creepy to be honest.

Hey Flower, if you want to discuss one of the major religions of the world then you'd better get used to volcanism because that's what they're all based on.

Originally posted by Openeye
reply to post by shaluach

 

Originally posted by autowrench
1 Samuel 15:35:
"And Samuel came no more to see Saul until the day of his death: nevertheless Samuel mourned for Saul: and the Lord repented that he had made Saul king over Israel."

So? He regretted making someone king. And?

Is the Christian God not suppose to be omnipotent, omnipresent and have a divine plan? If he was these things why would he have regrets? He is a perfect being right?

I think this is a perfect example of how the god of the old testament was very very similar to other "gods" worshiped in that time period who all had very human characteristics.

And I have an honest question that I would love someone to answer. Why is it considered moral or OK by Christians that their god murdered all the first born of Egypt after hardening pharaohs heart? Or why did he condone animal sacrifice?

Yahweh was not claimed to be omnipresent until after the Hebrews moved up to Israel. In fact, they HAD to leave Egypt in order to worship him in Midian. The very survival of the religions is due to the clans moving away from their deities thus removing the evidence (volcanoes) and re-homing him into the minds of the people instead. The ancient Hebrews, or collection of odd bods otherwise known as Habiru, only laid eyes on their deity when they arrived at Mount Sinai, which had a fire blazing away on the top. Yahweh had very similar characterisitcs to other deities because he was just another anthropomorphised natural 'thing' that had been misunderstood by wandering ignorant nomads and assumed to be powerful in a spooky way. They were all given human characteristics so they all come across as angry, jealous, forgiving, etc, although Yahweh was not forgiving until the Hebrews left the volcanic area. The first born of Egypt died due to escaping gas from the Suez Canal....said gas being low lying and said youngsters sleeping in the priviledged position of the ground floor bed.

So there you have it. Direct answers. You're not likely to get many of those around here.

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I actually think you long to worship volcanoes and see them at every turn if your life. That's what I am convinced of. Jesus Christ delivered me, saved me, freed me from my addictions, and healed my back miraculously, pretty amazing for a volcano huh?

Originally posted by pheonix358

Originally posted by TheFogHorn
"Thou shalt make them as a fiery oven in the time of thine anger: the LORD shall swallow them up in his wrath, and the fire shall devour them." -- Psalm 21:9

A fiery oven? The Lord shall swallow them up like a fiery oven would? Hmmmm.......

Hungry?

Perhaps Hitler read this!

P

Yeah......Christians need to add another pendant to their chains.....a Swastika.

reply to post by TheFogHorn


They had to leave Egypt to sacrifice to Him. That was the point of their worship to Him. And those sacrifices only pointed to the ultimate sacrifice of His Son as types and foreshadows. David received the revelation that He never really desired the sacrifice of blood, but of praise.

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Blood sacrifices to appease the imaginery volcano god.

Now do you get it?

Originally posted by TheFogHorn

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by TheFogHorn

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by TheFogHorn

 

How do you expkain moves of God nowhere near volcanoes??

Two people were healed of cancer and two more of diabetes last month at my church. No volcano within 500 miles.

Four fake healings and hundreds of gullible lost souls.

The Bible is about volcano worship and is padded out with lots of filler.

edit on 21-6-2012 by TheFogHorn because: (no reason given)

No, not fake one chap had a brain tumor and the other kid was a 21 year old who was diagnosed with leukemia and told he was soon to die. We visited both in the hospital. The same doctors who told them they had cancer also had to tell them they were healed. Healings are routine at my church, which is what Christ comissioned us to do in Mark 16. So again, no volcano within 500 miles.

My dad worked in the terminal cancer ward of a hospital for 20 years, and sometimes even the most malignant tumors would disappear. However, in the vast majority of cases though, the patients would eventually die as a result of their diseases. The fact is, some people will naturally recover from these severe situations purely as a result of chance. These occurrence can be mapped out in the standard normal distribution anyone who has ever taken a course in statistics will be familiar with. Michael Shermer writing for Scientific American, explains that many of these ‘miracles’ must occur simply because of the law of large numbers.

More on faith 'healers' here...canadianatheist.com...

Which is it? Miracles do not happen or there is a natural explaination for them? You can't have it both ways. What about the deaf receiving their hearing again, or the blind their sight?

Originally posted by TheFogHorn
reply to post by Openeye

 

Blood sacrifices to appease the imaginery volcano god.

Now do you get it?

Yeah, happens all the time. People too completely ignorant to know what a volcano was. Makes perfect sense. I'm fairly certain you worship volcanoes and are trying to convince everyone else to. Your posts ONLY have to do with volcanoes on here, you're absolutely obsessed.

Originally posted by pushmepullu
reply to post by ninjas4321

 

too many authors,too many revisions and too many omissions.the bible is all over the place,full of beauty and some pretty sick twisted stuff also. an interesting read but thats about it. we should question everything put before us rather it be science or religion. a mind that thinks it knows is a closed mind

edit on 22-6-2012 by pushmepullu because: (no reason given)

I'm putting this before you and will be checking my stats to see if you've gone through all the posts.....

ohmyvolcano.blogspot.com...

Let me know what you think. I have faith in your open mind,

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by TheFogHorn

 

I actually think you long to worship volcanoes and see them at every turn if your life. That's what I am convinced of. Jesus Christ delivered me, saved me, freed me from my addictions, and healed my back miraculously, pretty amazing for a volcano huh?

Placebo effect. Amazing stuff.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by TheFogHorn

 

They had to leave Egypt to sacrifice to Him. That was the point of their worship to Him. And those sacrifices only pointed to the ultimate sacrifice of His Son as types and foreshadows. David received the revelation that He never really desired the sacrifice of blood, but of praise.

Exodus 9:1 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Go to Pharaoh and say to him, 'This is what the LORD, the God of the Hebrews, says: "Let my people go, so that they may worship me."

Exodus 4:23 and I told you, "Let my son go, so he may worship me." But you refused to let him go; so I will kill your firstborn son.'"

Exodus 7:16 Then say to him, 'The LORD, the God of the Hebrews, has sent me to say to you: Let my people go, so that they may worship me in the desert. But until now you have not listened.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by TheFogHorn

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by TheFogHorn

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by TheFogHorn

 

How do you expkain moves of God nowhere near volcanoes??

Two people were healed of cancer and two more of diabetes last month at my church. No volcano within 500 miles.

Four fake healings and hundreds of gullible lost souls.

The Bible is about volcano worship and is padded out with lots of filler.

edit on 21-6-2012 by TheFogHorn because: (no reason given)

No, not fake one chap had a brain tumor and the other kid was a 21 year old who was diagnosed with leukemia and told he was soon to die. We visited both in the hospital. The same doctors who told them they had cancer also had to tell them they were healed. Healings are routine at my church, which is what Christ comissioned us to do in Mark 16. So again, no volcano within 500 miles.

My dad worked in the terminal cancer ward of a hospital for 20 years, and sometimes even the most malignant tumors would disappear. However, in the vast majority of cases though, the patients would eventually die as a result of their diseases. The fact is, some people will naturally recover from these severe situations purely as a result of chance. These occurrence can be mapped out in the standard normal distribution anyone who has ever taken a course in statistics will be familiar with. Michael Shermer writing for Scientific American, explains that many of these ‘miracles’ must occur simply because of the law of large numbers.

More on faith 'healers' here...canadianatheist.com...

Which is it? Miracles do not happen or there is a natural explaination for them? You can't have it both ways. What about the deaf receiving their hearing again, or the blind their sight?

Show me a video of a leg growing back and I'll become a Christian. God hasn't got something against amputees has he?

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by TheFogHorn
reply to post by Openeye

 

Blood sacrifices to appease the imaginery volcano god.

Now do you get it?

Yeah, happens all the time. People too completely ignorant to know what a volcano was. Makes perfect sense. I'm fairly certain you worship volcanoes and are trying to convince everyone else to. Your posts ONLY have to do with volcanoes on here, you're absolutely obsessed.

edit on 22-6-2012 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)

ohmyvolcano.blogspot.com...

Originally posted by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep

Originally posted by OpsSpecialist
Perhaps I can clear up some misconceptions.

With the coming of Christ, a new covenant was made. The laws of the old testament, laws given to Moses by God on the mountain, were rendered null and void.

The word of Christ became the new law of the land.

In the new testament, it's made clear that homosexuals and even cross dressers are living in sin. It, however, does not endorse slavery or anything of the like.

While not a Christian, I have spent much time researching major religions looking for my own personal truth. ...having worked jobs that give me a good deal of free time, I've read the book twice, cover to cover, over the past several years.

The only guy in this thread that "gets it". With the coming of the new testament, all the old laws of levi and the like was wiped clean. A new start so to speak. So the nitpick about those laws are rather archaic.

Star for you mate.

vvv

Thanks.

I'm still not quite sure why these threads pop up. People have the freedom to believe as they please. I respect that. Perhaps it's just people trying to prove something.

The greatest piece of wisdom I've ever heard from Christianity was from a Southern Baptist preacher I knew. He did not approve of homosexuality, or anything that did not adhere from the New Testament, but he said to me:

Salvation is between you and God alone. No one can interfere with that.

Despite everything, he loved and respected everyone. He preached to anyone willing to listen and turned no one away. As a fellow corrections officer, he treated everyone the same, staff and prisoner alike. He was everything Christ preached about in the New Testament. While I didn't believe, he treated me as one of his own. It is something I will carry with me the rest of my life, and the reason I forgotten my angst against organized religion.

People will do as they please. So long as they don't force their beliefs upon anyone else, or infringe upon the rights upon others, let them be.

Pointless conflict only serves to promote segregation and hatefulness in this world.

Originally posted by TheFogHorn
Psalm 97:3 Fire goes before him and consumes his foes on every side.


Love thy enemy? Turn the other cheek?


Can someone explain this schizophrenia?

It is not schizophrenia, and your saying it is so reveals the depths of your lack of understanding. Let me clue you in a bit.

In the OT, men were created beings, and after the tree incident in Eden, they got worse and worse. God repented that He had even made them. His program became "shape up or be destroyed." It was a ministry of death, and a part of His eternal Plan. It was to teach a lesson.

In the NT, a new factor entered: Jesus. This man/God was the very Son of God, and having been born of a woman, the entire human race was now related to Him. We became family. God's regard to His Son became regard for us, His potential sons, but only if we accept this new relationship. Those who accept Jesus become adopted into the "God family," as Herbert W. Armstrong said. Even our personal enemies fall under this, so it falls to believers to treat them better than they should, just as you would (or at least, should) treat a family member better than you would treat most folks. God's enemies, however, are still subject to destruction, and that might just include skeptics, scoffers, and unrepentant sinners.

BTW, FogHorn, the real Mount Sinai, in the southwestern corner of Saudi Arabia, Jebel al Lawz, is NOT a volcano. Your argument is invalid.

Originally posted by Openeye

Well I was raised in a Mormon house hold, and the LDS believe that the plan of salvation was set in motion to lead us on the path to become like him. That the fall of man, the sacrifice of Christ , and the final judgment are necessary to become like unto God.

Well most of that is the same as what I believe, although not all of it. My point is the Most High's plan is the plan of salvation. Not everything contained in the Scriptures is part of that plan.

Originally posted by Openeye

But again God by Christians is usually defined as a perfect being, why would he harbor such human or "animal" traits?

Who says they are "animal" traits? I've never seen a hateful or envious animal. Still, even putting that aside, human anger and divine righteous anger would be too completely different things. Sort of like anger. In the Scriptures Jesus teaches that getting angry with another human being is wrong, but getting angry at an event or situation is not. For instance, we can be angry at oppression but we should not be angry with the oppressor. We should love them and try to change them that way. Why do Scripture critics ignore those teachings?

Originally posted by Openeye
They to me are perfect examples of the driving force of religions...ignorance.

I don't believe in religion. I don't believe in Christianity. I believe in the Scriptures

Originally posted by Openeye
Evolution, physics, astronomy, cosmology, mathematics, these are all things WE discovered and came to understand.

Well I'm not going to go off topic and into a discussion about things like evolution. It is not as perfect and explained as atheists claim it is.

Originally posted by Openeye
So all we know of physics, and the formation of planets and suns is wrong? Or is genesis not supposed to be taken literally?

Like the totality of the Scriptures, some things are literal and some are allegory, even within the same story. Revelation is a good example. I cannot thoroughly answer your question.

Originally posted by Openeye
But why? Why did killing innocent animals to please him bring any form of salvation to his people? Why was killing his only begotten son necessary? Is blood the best way to promote harmony and peace?

I don't know why. It was His chosen method. Again, his ways are higher than ours. That's a question you will have to pose to him.

And if it sounds like "violence and control" to you then that is your interpretation and nothing I say can change that. Sounds like you have your mind pretty much made up. You seem full of your personal opinions and conclusions about the Scriptures and "religion." There's a Buddhist proverb about a student who comes to a Zen master and says he wants to learn the truth. The Master invites him to tea. While pouring the tea the student keeps yapping on and on about what he thinks. So the Master keeps pouring the tea until the cup starts overflowing. The student exclaims, "Master you are overflowing the tea cup." The Master says, "Yes, just like you are overflowing your mind with all of your opinions. The usefulness of the cup is the EMPTINESS of the cup."

How can you truly learn if your mind is full of your own opinions?

Originally posted by Openeye
I have prayed to God to show me the answers, I only got my own inner dialogue.

Or perhaps you just aren't paying attention. Again it seems your personal opinion could be blocking out the facts. The Most High could be speaking to you but you think it's merely your own inner dialogue.

Originally posted by OpsSpecialist
Perhaps I can clear up some misconceptions.

With the coming of Christ, a new covenant was made. The laws of the old testament, laws given to Moses by God on the mountain, were rendered null and void.

Yes, there was a new covenant but with that covenant the Laws given to Moses were NOT rendered null and void. Christ came to FULFILL, not abolish the Law. He fulfilled the sacrificial law and removed the need for a blood sacrifice. The laws still stand, though. We are just not SAVED by them. Our works (adherence to the Law) merely shows our love for the Most High. Christ said if you love me keep my commandments. James wrote that faith without works is dead. And Revelation points out that our works will be tested in the fire. So our works DO matter.

Originally posted by OpsSpecialist
While not a Christian, I have spent much time researching major religions looking for my own personal truth. ...having worked jobs that give me a good deal of free time, I've read the book twice, cover to cover, over the past several years.

Reading a book is not the same as understanding a book. I could say I read a book by Stephen Hawkings cover to cover twice. That doesn't mean I understand everything he said.

Sigh.

Same o same o.

Originally posted by Lazarus Short

Originally posted by TheFogHorn
Psalm 97:3 Fire goes before him and consumes his foes on every side.


Love thy enemy? Turn the other cheek?


Can someone explain this schizophrenia?

It is not schizophrenia, and your saying it is so reveals the depths of your lack of understanding. Let me clue you in a bit.

In the OT, men were created beings, and after the tree incident in Eden, they got worse and worse. God repented that He had even made them. His program became "shape up or be destroyed." It was a ministry of death, and a part of His eternal Plan. It was to teach a lesson.

In the NT, a new factor entered: Jesus. This man/God was the very Son of God, and having been born of a woman, the entire human race was now related to Him. We became family. God's regard to His Son became regard for us, His potential sons, but only if we accept this new relationship. Those who accept Jesus become adopted into the "God family," as Herbert W. Armstrong said. Even our personal enemies fall under this, so it falls to believers to treat them better than they should, just as you would (or at least, should) treat a family member better than you would treat most folks. God's enemies, however, are still subject to destruction, and that might just include skeptics, scoffers, and unrepentant sinners.

BTW, FogHorn, the real Mount Sinai, in the southwestern corner of Saudi Arabia, Jebel al Lawz, is NOT a volcano. Your argument is invalid.

edit on 22-6-2012 by Lazarus Short because: lah-de-dah

You're very quick to invalidate an argument you don't even bother to understand. You've neither read my thread on here 'I will pour out my wrath' nor read my blog. By the way, Jebel al Lawz is in North-western Saudi and IS volcanic....but may not be Mount Sinai. Please be sure to know the argument first.