Disturbing bible verses

Originally posted by TheFogHorn
"Thou shalt make them as a fiery oven in the time of thine anger: the LORD shall swallow them up in his wrath, and the fire shall devour them." -- Psalm 21:9

A fiery oven? The Lord shall swallow them up like a fiery oven would? Hmmmm.......

Hungry?

Perhaps Hitler read this!

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reply to post by shaluach

Yes, He is and yes He does. Do you think those He puts in positions of power have anything to do with His divine plan? Do you even know what His divine plan is?

Well I was raised in a Mormon house hold, and the LDS believe that the plan of salvation was set in motion to lead us on the path to become like him. That the fall of man, the sacrifice of Christ , and the final judgment are necessary to become like unto God. However their "plan" might differ from that of other interpolations of the Christian god's plan. I am more than willing to hear your interpretation of that plan.

Originally posted by Openeye
I think this is a perfect example of how the god of the old testament was very very similar to other "gods" worshiped in that time period who all had very human characteristics.

Or do we, made in His image, have some of His characteristics?

But again God by Christians is usually defined as a perfect being, why would he harbor such human or "animal" traits? Anger, jealousy, hate, envy...humans have always been capable of "transcending" if you will such emotions. So why would God, Yahweh, the ONE, be subject to the negative attributes attributed by Christians to have come from the fall of Adam. Surely he would understand these emotions, but acting upon them...God is looking a little less perfect then described.

8“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord. 9“As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. - Isaiah 55

We do not understand the Most High's motivations or reasonings all the time, but we trust that there was a reason, even for the stuff that is hard to deal with.

That is one of my favorite bible verses along with...

Proverbs 3:5-6 5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; 6 in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight.

They to me are perfect examples of the driving force of religions...ignorance. I do not mean to offend, but to accept blindly the words of men claiming them to be of God without ANY evidence to support them is ignorant. We have explained MANY things by "leaning" to our own understanding, or as I like to call it...thinking. Evolution, physics, astronomy, cosmology, mathematics, these are all things WE discovered and came to understand.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons,[f] and for days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth.” And it was so. 16 And God made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars. 17 And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18 to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening and there was morning, the fourth day.

So all we know of physics, and the formation of planets and suns is wrong? Or is genesis not supposed to be taken literally?

Originally posted by Openeye
Or why did he condone animal sacrifice?

Because a blood sacrifice was required to bring people back to the Most High. That's why in the end He sacrificed His Son, to be the ultimate blood sacrifice to do away with all blood sacrifices.

But why? Why did killing innocent animals to please him bring any form of salvation to his people? Why was killing his only begotten son necessary? Is blood the best way to promote harmony and peace?

Again it sound like most other religions, all being obsessed with violence and control.

"Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction". (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)

I just don't get it!

I have prayed to God to show me the answers, I only got my own inner dialogue.

reply to post by ninjas4321


Explanation: S&F!

And people say the bible is a perfect guide to live your life if i am missing any please let me know

And those people are wrong ... but that doesn't mean that God doesn't exist!

1stly It is a guide and it may be a good one in sense of a "don't do what donny did" informative tale!

There is nothing wrong with the 10 commandments for instance ... but also don't get nailed up to a cross!

2ndly Realizing either and or both God and oneselfs own existence are hugely traumatic psychological events!

Being alive is disturbing enough before seeing starwars where luke looses his hand to darth daddy dearest! Then suffering the prequels! :shk:

3rdly If God does exist and is omnipresent then they are all that is good ... but goodness isnt everything so they are also all that is evil etc.

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." (Isaiah 45:7, KJV)
"Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?" (Amos 3:6, KJV)
"Is it not from the mouth of the Most High That both good and ill go forth" (Lamentations 3:38 New American Standard Bible).

Personal Disclosure: Just because God is a bastard is no excuse to not worship them because Jesus said "Pay unto Caesar what is Caesars!" and so it is paying Respect [via worship] to God!

atheists=1
bible bashers=0

we'll be back right after this break.......

Truly spoken like someone who knows JACK SH!T about the bible.

I really can't say much more than that.

reply to post by ninjas4321


too many authors,too many revisions and too many omissions.the bible is all over the place,full of beauty and some pretty sick twisted stuff also. an interesting read but thats about it. we should question everything put before us rather it be science or religion. a mind that thinks it knows is a closed mind

Originally posted by ninjas4321
There are some incredibly disturbing things in the bible for example take these verses
2 Kings 2:23-24
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some youths came out of the town and jeered at him. “Go on up, you baldhead!” they said. “Go on up, you baldhead!” 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.
Deuteronomy 25:11-13
If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.
Ephesians 5:22
Wives should be subordinate to their husbands as to the Lord
Leviticus 26:29
And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat

There are also some gems realted to slavery

Ephesians 6:5
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ
Peter 2:18

Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are HARSH
Colossians 3:22
Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.

And people say the bible is a perfect guide to live your life if i am missing any please let me know

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I bet that you cried while watching Alien, didn't you? Big hypocritical baby.

reply to post by windword


I particularly like Isiah 13:3 from the Septaugint (I've bolded the most disturbing bits):

13:1 THE VISION WHICH ESAIAS SON OF AMOS SAW AGAINST BABYLON.

2 Lift up a standard on the mountain of the plain, exalt the voice to them, beckon with the hand, open the gates, ye rulers. 3 I give command, and I bring them: giants are coming to fulfil my wrath, rejoicing at the same time and insulting. 4 A voice of many nations on the mountains, even like to that of many nations; a voice of kings and nations gathered together: the Lord of hosts has given command to a war-like nation, 5 to come from a land afar off, from the utmost foundation of heaven; the Lord and his warriors are coming to destroy all the world.

6 Howl ye, for the day of the Lord is near, and destruction from God shall arrive. 7 Therefore every hand shall become powerless, and every soul of man shall be dismayed. 8 The elders shall be troubled, and pangs shall seize them, as of a woman in travail: and they shall mourn one to another, and shall be amazed, and shall change their countenance as a flame. 9 For behold! the day of the Lord is coming which cannot be escaped, a day of wrath and anger, to make the world desolate, and to destroy sinners out of it. 10 For the stars of heaven, and Orion, and all the host of heaven, shall not give their light; and it shall be dark at sunrise, and the moon shall not give her light. 11 And I will command evils for the whole world, and will visit their sins on the ungodly: and I will destroy the pride of transgressors, and will bring low the pride of the haughty. 12 And they that are left shall be more precious than gold tried in the fire; and a man shall be more precious than the stone that is in Suphir. 13 For the heaven shall be enraged, and the earth shall be shaken from her foundation, because of the fierce anger of the Lord of hosts, in the day in which his wrath shall come on. 14 And they that are left shall be as a fleeing fawn, and as a stray sheep, and there shall be none to gather them: so that a man shall turn back to his people, and a man shall flee to his own land. 15 For whosoever shall be taken shall be overcome; and they that are gathered together shall fall by the sword. 16 And they shall dash their children before their eyes; and they shall spoil their houses, and shall take their wives.

17 Behold, I will stir up against you the Medes, who do not regard silver, neither have they need of gold. 18 They shall break the bows of the young men; and they shall have no mercy on your children; nor shall their eyes spare thy children. 19 And Babylon, which is called glorious by the king of the Chaldeans, shall be as when God overthrew Sodoma, and Gomorrha. 20 It shall never be inhabited, neither shall any enter into it for many generations: neither shall the Arabians pass through it; nor shall shepherds at all rest in it. 21 But wild beasts shall rest there; and the houses shall be filled with howling; and monsters shall rest there, and devils shall dance there, 22 and satyrs shall dwell there; and hedgehogs shall make their nests in their houses. It will come soon, and will not tarry.

I've also highlighted in italics the part where it says the Giants will rape the children. Lovely stuff from this benevolent creator.

Also, if the above doesn't mean that the 'Lord of hosts' is commanding violent Giants from another planet in space to come to Earth and rape men, women and children then I just don't know.

reply to post by LightAssassin


Read Joel ch 2. What you speak of could very well be. God sends the wicked to punish his own or those who should have been his, but they forgot him. Then he punishes the punisher he sent...personally.

And by the way, the Medes are the ancient ancestors of the modern Kurds. So they are not aliens. Joel's army on the other hand just might be something else.

The old time prophecy teachers would say that with Old Testament prophecy there are two aspects of fulfillment: the immediate and the futuristic. In looking at these verses there is a definite tie in with Joel 2. These have had their immediate fulfilment, and that was quite banal warfare. But it was not quite fulfilled. There were key characteristics that were not yet met not just quite. This does look like there are greedy eyes watching from afar off biding their time and preparing for a day of war. Personally, I can't wait to meet them.

How I wish Jesus had written the bible himself, carved into stone at the top of Mt Everest!
But whats the bet it would have still been 'modified' by those with an agenda.
I'll take the parts of the bible that resonate with me personally (those usually being common to all religions).
As far as the subservient slaves & incest goes........I'm guessing that suited those in charge at the time...and now, lol.

reply to post by Numbers33four


Yeh, I'm keen to slice open a few Giant's Achilles tendons. I'll read up on Joel, thanks.

But the Medes aren't Giants...and I cannot see where they are represented as such in history. I think it may be a mis-translation or a later addition, probably replacing a word relating to a divine being.

Too much was lost at the compilation of the modern bible....it was rewritten for the salvation of the Holy roman empire....the stuff has to be scam when it gets written many years after the guys dies...as in the apostles books....etc...wheres the bok of Enoch por the two books which Jesus himself mentions in his own words but do not apear in our bibles......?
The fact remains that after many alterations and additions ....the book seems to have an uncanny way of drawing people into it.......it has to speal to some basic human instincts.

The trick is to figure out how the people who wrote the bible found out what they knew to write down. Solomon said, "Of writing books there is no end, and knowledge is much weariness to the soul." The Bible is no different than any other book. Handed down through the centuries, it has been altered. The thing that people need to figure out is how the people who wrote the good parts knew that stuff. Thats wisdom.

To find within you the same understanding that they had about life, the Universe and everything. That source of wisdom is in each of us, like an antenna straight to "heaven". Sadly, many have forgotten how to tune to that frequency and listen and understand. So they look outside themselves to others and their works to let them determine the truth for them. You won't find it outside you, the kingdom of heaven is within.

reply to post by stirling


The Chronicle Project has your answers.

Or as intrprtr mentioned: The answers lie within yourself.

Meditation. Lots of it.

Perhaps I can clear up some misconceptions.

With the coming of Christ, a new covenant was made. The laws of the old testament, laws given to Moses by God on the mountain, were rendered null and void.

The word of Christ became the new law of the land.

In the new testament, it's made clear that homosexuals and even cross dressers are living in sin. It, however, does not endorse slavery or anything of the like.

While not a Christian, I have spent much time researching major religions looking for my own personal truth. ...having worked jobs that give me a good deal of free time, I've read the book twice, cover to cover, over the past several years.

reply to post by Numbers33four


Also, I understand the fulfilment but can you provide me the evidence of this fulfilment. Revelations speaks of Babylon being destroyed too.

Originally posted by OpsSpecialist
Perhaps I can clear up some misconceptions.

With the coming of Christ, a new covenant was made. The laws of the old testament, laws given to Moses by God on the mountain, were rendered null and void.

The word of Christ became the new law of the land.

In the new testament, it's made clear that homosexuals and even cross dressers are living in sin. It, however, does not endorse slavery or anything of the like.

While not a Christian, I have spent much time researching major religions looking for my own personal truth. ...having worked jobs that give me a good deal of free time, I've read the book twice, cover to cover, over the past several years.

The only guy in this thread that "gets it". With the coming of the new testament, all the old laws of levi and the like was wiped clean. A new start so to speak. So the nitpick about those laws are rather archaic.

Star for you mate.

vvv

Originally posted by TheFogHorn
Genesis 19:31-36 And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is no man in the earth to come unto us according to the way of all the earth. Come, let us make our father drink wine, and let us lie with him, and let us quicken seed from our father. And they made their father drink wine that night; and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he knew not when she lay down, nor when she arose. And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father; let us make him drink wine this night also, and go thou in and lie with him, and let us quicken seed from our father. And they made their father drink wine that night also; and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he knew not when she lay down, nor when she arose. And the two daughters of Lot conceived by their father.

And then you get Christians defending this blatant incestuous rape...

www.biblemeanings.info...

Apparently ''quicken his seed' does not mean what normal people think it means but 'there would be a newness of a sort of church'.

wow. i can't believe those girls raped him... "girls gone wild, the ancient times edition"

Any religion that holds one group higher then another (slaves) is laughable to me because we all are humans.
If there is a all loving god, do you really think he would be happy about those separations?

Originally posted by Azadok2day
reply to post by TheFagHorn

 

TextAnother example of this is the destruction of Jericho. The city was destroyed due to seismic activity (earthquake to be specific) and not due to Joshua's intimidating trumpeting and circling. Joshua and gang most likely just looted the unfortunate city after the natural disaster 'delivered it' into their hands

You say an earthquake and that is probably exactly how God made the walls fall, but you missed one thing in your observation of this event one section of a wall was left standing . Funny how God promised to save one woman and her family that lived on the outer wall of the city , just like the section that remains today.

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