Disturbing bible verses

There are some incredibly disturbing things in the bible for example take these verses
2 Kings 2:23-24
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some youths came out of the town and jeered at him. “Go on up, you baldhead!” they said. “Go on up, you baldhead!” 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.
Deuteronomy 25:11-13
If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.
Ephesians 5:22
Wives should be subordinate to their husbands as to the Lord
Leviticus 26:29
And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat

There are also some gems realted to slavery

Ephesians 6:5
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ
Peter 2:18

Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are HARSH
Colossians 3:22
Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.

And people say the bible is a perfect guide to live your life if i am missing any please let me know

reply to post by ninjas4321


Typical atheist Bible quotes. In accordance with 2 Timothy 2:14-16 I refuse to engage in debate.

14Keep reminding them of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen. 15Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. 16Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.

But I will say this as a matter of discussion: There are some "hard verses" in the Bible. The story of the bears mauling the youth (not children; youth could denote teenagers or even young adults) is one of them. But when people invoke these verses (usually dishonestly and with an agenda behind them) they conveniently ignore all of the beautiful verses of the Scriptures.

And regarding the "slavery" verses, in no way do those verses ENDORSE slavery. It is Paul teaching those who are Christians, like himself, who may be in slavery, to illustrate that you are a Christian in your actions, even in regards to the person who you are indentured to.

And for those who falsely claim that Paul was teaching some subservience to the state, you are 100% wrong. Paul himself exhibited Christian behavior the entire time he was locked up (which is when he wrote most of his letters), even to the time he was executed (for being a Christian). So he was no hypocrite. He walked the talk.

If I am wrong about your posting of these verses I apologize. They are seriously stereotypical verses that atheists use time and time again to attack the Scriptures. I know, because as a former atheist I used them a lot myself.

Anyone who responds to my comment in a negative way, I will ignore you. Just a warning to not waste your time. Those desiring to engage in intelligent discussion, I'm all for it.

Quite incredible!

I've never had the time to have a really good read through the bible but from what I've seen, this book always seems to raise more questions then answers!

It does have NWO & Aliens written all over it to me though!

reply to post by ninjas4321


2 Kings 2:23-24 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some youths came out of the town and jeered at him. “Go on up, you baldhead!” they said. “Go on up, you baldhead!” 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.

That, of course, is a case of bigging up a non-existent god by making out he arranged for the bears to appear and kill the youths. Another example of this is the destruction of Jericho. The city was destroyed due to seismic activity (earthquake to be specific) and not due to Joshua's intimidating trumpeting and circling. Joshua and gang most likely just looted the unfortunate city after the natural disaster 'delivered it' into their hands.

reply to post by shaluach

And regarding the "slavery" verses, in no way do those verses ENDORSE slavery.

Maybe so, but Deuteronomy 15:17 certainly does:

"Then you shall take an awl, and thrust it through his ear unto the door, and he shall be your servant forever. And also unto your maidservant you shall do likewise."

And the simply fact is, if you have a "Lord," or a "Master," then you are a slave to that Lord and Master.

reply to post by shaluach


I'm sorry, but if you follow the Bible you have to be capable of explaining every verse. If you shave, why do you condemn homosexuals?

reply to post by ninjas4321


Here's one of my favorites: This verse is about Moses and his wife and son.

Exodus 4:24

And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the Lord met him, and sought to kill him.

25 Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.

26 So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.

The whole book is disturbing. The fact that modern people still believe in it? Even more so.

Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by shaluach

 

And regarding the "slavery" verses, in no way do those verses ENDORSE slavery.

Maybe so, but Deuteronomy 15:17 certainly does:

"Then you shall take an awl, and thrust it through his ear unto the door, and he shall be your servant forever. And also unto your maidservant you shall do likewise."

And the simply fact is, if you have a "Lord," or a "Master," then you are a slave to that Lord and Master.

Read the rest of the passage, and what comes before that verse. If I understand the context of this passage, it is more of how to go about arranging for a permanent slave status of a servant who specifically states that he or she wishes to remain a slave in their master's household for the rest of their lives.

It kind of sounds like having pierced ears there would be a sign of perpetual slave status.

Genesis 19:31-36 And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is no man in the earth to come unto us according to the way of all the earth. Come, let us make our father drink wine, and let us lie with him, and let us quicken seed from our father. And they made their father drink wine that night; and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he knew not when she lay down, nor when she arose. And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father; let us make him drink wine this night also, and go thou in and lie with him, and let us quicken seed from our father. And they made their father drink wine that night also; and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he knew not when she lay down, nor when she arose. And the two daughters of Lot conceived by their father.

And then you get Christians defending this blatant incestuous rape...

www.biblemeanings.info...

Apparently ''quicken his seed' does not mean what normal people think it means but 'there would be a newness of a sort of church'.

reply to post by jtap66

I do not believe in slavery, the mistreatment of women, or the mauling of children, but you must consider two things when it comes to the bible.

A)While acclaimed to be the word of God, no one knows who was the influence, and, furthermore, if it was directly influenced by God you can not possibly believe that humans had no influence.

B)No morality is inherited, it is educated, and the morality of the Old Testament is not our morality. Oh and by the way if you asked other cultures from around the world to comment on morality it would not match up with yours.

reply to post by ninjas4321

24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.

This is an account from man, not of above.

Deuteronomy 25:11-13 If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.

Again, mans law, not of above.

Ephesians 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ

At the time this was written, slaves were the norm. But, this is a suggestion from again a man, not from Father.

Many things in the bible, are suggestions of man, and their view of God. No man can speak for Father, not even anyone from above. Father is the authoritative source, not man.

Numbers 11:1 And when the people complained, it displeased the LORD: and the LORD heard it; and his anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, and consumed them that were in the uttermost parts of the camp.

Oh my volcano!!! Praise be to the vengeful volcano god! Show me mercy! Here, smell the burning blood of my little Cocker Spaniel! Just don't consume me with your fiery wrath!

Amen.

(Would that be an acceptable prayer to say in front of the congregation?)

Leviticus 10:1-2 And Nadab and Abi'hu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not.

Oh my volcano! They only offered some incence and they got burnt to a crisp! That's just not fair.

Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by ninjas4321

 

24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.

This is an account from man, not of above.

Deuteronomy 25:11-13 If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.

Again, mans law, not of above.

Ephesians 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ

At the time this was written, slaves were the norm. But, this is a suggestion from again a man, not from Father.

Many things in the bible, are suggestions of man, and their view of God. No man can speak for Father, not even anyone from above. Father is the authoritative source, not man.

Is anything in the bible from the father above, isn't it all man's views?

"Thou shalt make them as a fiery oven in the time of thine anger: the LORD shall swallow them up in his wrath, and the fire shall devour them." -- Psalm 21:9

A fiery oven? The Lord shall swallow them up like a fiery oven would? Hmmmm.......

Hungry?

reply to post by windword

Is anything in the bible from the father above, isn't it all man's views?

Jesus words are of truth. Most of the other items were given unto man to write, but they didn't write the things that were given to them. A lot of the items are the thoughts of the writer.

Father gives man images (dreams, visions), and then man is to give an account. But, many don't understand all what was given. The only way for them to fully know what is, would be for them to be brought above, or utilize a vessel for the speech.

reply to post by autowrench


Well, as with a lot of people who are anti-religion, and specifically anti-Christian, the history and overall narrative of the Scriptures is ignored when people quote the Hebrew Scriptures (commonly referred to as the "Old Testament") to discredit the Scriptures. There was a reasoning for all of the Laws given to Moses.

Also you completely took that verse out of context. The overall context of the verse deals with the FREEING of slaves during the Jubilee year. I really think you need to read it in its full context before you try to paint that verse in a negative light.

12If a fellow Hebrew, a man or a woman, sells himself to you and serves you six years, in the seventh year you must let him go free. 13And when you release him, do not send him away empty-handed. 14Supply him liberally from your flock, your threshing floor and your winepress. Give to him as the Lord your God has blessed you. 15Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and the Lord your God redeemed you. That is why I give you this command today.

16But if your servant says to you, “I do not want to leave you,” because he loves you and your family and is well off with you, 17then take an awl and push it through his ear lobe into the door, and he will become your servant for life. Do the same for your maidservant.

18Do not consider it a hardship to set your servant free, because his service to you these six years has been worth twice as much as that of a hired hand. And the Lord your God will bless you in everything you do.

Finally, I have a Father. The addition of the word "LORD" in the Scriptures (in place of the Tetragrammaton) is a pagan addition to the English translations of the Scriptures. The pagan god Ba'al's name translates to "lord" as in Baalzebub (lord of the flies). And the Scriptures even warn one day that one day the Most High will "remove the names of the Baals from her mouth, So that they will be mentioned by their names no more." - Hosea 2:17

Originally posted by cetaphobic
reply to post by shaluach

 

I'm sorry, but if you follow the Bible you have to be capable of explaining every verse. If you shave, why do you condemn homosexuals?

No, you do not "have to be capable." Some people are new in Faith (even some who have been in the faith for YEARS). A person having faith may not be able to explain everything. You don't get to set that standard. Sorry.

Furthermore, show me where I either said I shaved OR condemned homosexuals. I'm pretty sure I didn't admit to either of those. Seems like you are stereotyping. Looks like I'm not going to have intelligent conversation from you, just Christian bashing. So I guess after this response I'll be ignoring you.

reply to post by TheFogHorn


Do you even know what Psalms are? Do you understand the difference between historical verses, prophetic verses, and poetic verses of the Scriptures? Are you claiming that the Psalm you quoted is a historical verse (as in it actually happened in the overall Bible narrative)? Or are the Psalms poetic writings? If you knew the answer to the first question you'd know the answer to the last question.