Christian doublespeak? Say it ain't so!

Originally posted by DeathbecomesLife
X = What?

In my experience, X always = 2.

reply to post by getreadyalready


Is it then even possible to perform a truly selfless act?

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Hold the hell out of everything. I just noticed what forum we're in. Somebody explain this immediatly ? Somebody has five minutes.

Originally posted by network dude

I believe God is in every one of us. His spirit is with me wherever I go. Not just to watch, but to guide when I ask, or perhaps when I need it but don't realize it.

That makes us brothers, and I am grateful for the opportunity to extend a blessing to you.

Knowing that, I guess I would have to agree with your statement and say that our ego is the inverse of God's will, so that would make it the devil. So the devil does not exist.
You should have came sooner. We could have solved this long ago.

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I disagree. What about the spontaneous choice to either stand back, or to risk your life and try to save another? there isn't enough time to contemplate feeling good, or basking in the glory of heroism, you are either the kind of guy who would run towards a burning car or the kind that runs away from it. That has to be in your soul way before you are tasked with making that choice.

Originally posted by BlueMule
That makes us brothers, and I am grateful for the opportunity to extend a blessing to you.

Ditto.

Originally posted by randyvs
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Hold the hell out of everything. I just noticed what forum we're in. Somebody explain this immediatly ? Somebody has five minutes.

edit on 19-6-2012 by randyvs because: (no reason given)

it's OK, the mods are on break. just talk quietly.

Originally posted by network dude

So I have to ask, is there a devil or not?

According to Christians, yes, but that does not support a doctrine of duality. The key is found here in your external material:

He taught that there are two equal and mutually hostile forces in the world.

Christians don't accept the equality of the opposing forces. They view God as omnipotent, and Satan as not so.

Unless a duality is equally matched, it's not really a duality, as the stronger will eventually win.

Originally posted by network dude

Originally posted by DeathbecomesLife
X = What?

In my experience, X always = 2.

How did you solve for X?

Originally posted by nenothtu

Christians don't accept the equality of the opposing forces. They view God as omnipotent, and Satan as not so.

If God is omnipotent, he can do whatever He likes with satan. The fact that He allows satan to do his own thing on earth to ultimately bring about a certain Divine goal (whatever that may be) means that God is using satan. In other words, satan is a tool of God, no?

How else can you explain an omnipotent Being and an opposing force coexisting?

Originally posted by DeathbecomesLife

Originally posted by network dude

Originally posted by DeathbecomesLife
X = What?

In my experience, X always = 2.

How did you solve for X?

that's easy, you have to have faith!

(it was a joke, sorry, a bad joke, but a joke none the less)

reply to post by Saurus

Is it then even possible to perform a truly selfless act?

Seeing that feelings can not be counted in the material unless we call them mere chemical reacts in the brain. Still not manifest.

I also disagree with GRA.

Originally posted by network dude

Originally posted by getreadyalready


Starred and Flagged, ND, although I probably won't waste too much energy fighting the fanatics, it never does any good.

after spending last week hearing all about how we as masons were worshiping the wrong God, (IE, Satan) I was confused. If Satan doesn't exist, then whom are we supposed to be worshiping?

After following that thread with interest I said to my husband yesterday
"I learnt something today"
"what was that babe?"
"did you know Satan and the Devil are two different things?"

news to me too...

so you have thousands of years of different religions with similar flavour and different names (which have kept them all occupied and content to continue), and what would be the best way to divide and conquer the faithful?
Show them something different....they will be so busy trying to figure out if they've wasted their lives (which they have not) that they wont know who to trust....
simple really

Unfortunately it is those same religions/groups which have caused the push and pull of the cosmic energies with their 'sacred' rites and workings, and as someone else said on the other thread, it is only your top fellows who know the consequences of what they do, the rest of you are occupied and content that you are part of something 'special'.

Right? wrong?

who am I to say really...
but
always have faith in yourself, when everything else is in question.

Originally posted by randyvs
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Is it then even possible to perform a truly selfless act?

Seeing that feelings can not be counted in the material unless we call them mere chemical reacts in the brain. Still not manifest.

Wow! Great thoughts!

Feelings are chemical reactions, whereas actions and intentions are spiritual.

That is quite profound and something to really think about and dwell upon.

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that's easy, you have to have faith!

I would've said that the two slashes / = X

Originally posted by network dude

Originally posted by DeathbecomesLife

Originally posted by network dude

Originally posted by DeathbecomesLife
X = What?

In my experience, X always = 2.

How did you solve for X?

that's easy, you have to have faith!

(it was a joke, sorry, a bad joke, but a joke none the less)

We are not solving for bad. We are solving for Goodness, or X.

Bad is an unknown at this time as well, for until will solve for X, we cannot solve another unknown.

Goodness = X

Right now X = a word.

By itself, that is all it is.

To quantify it, you need a comparable. The only comparable opposite is Badness, or evil, which is still unknown. So, then lets call it Y.

Goodness = X

Evil = Y.

As for right now, Both are equal. Why?

They are both just words.

X = Y

This is only until we define them of course.

By what should we define them?

reply to post by nenothtu

Christians don't accept the equality of the opposing forces. They view God as omnipotent, and Satan as not so.

Unless a duality is equally matched, it's not really a duality, as the stronger will eventually win.

Man that sounds close to perfect. Good one.

Bowing out.

Originally posted by Saurus
If God is omnipotent, he can do whatever He likes with satan. The fact that He allows satan to do his own thing on earth to ultimately bring about a certain Divine goal (whatever that may be) means that God is using satan. In other words, satan is a tool of God, no?

How else can you explain an omnipotent Being and an opposing force coexisting?

You seem to have moved from God "allowing" Satan to do something to God "using" Satan to do something. The two are not the same. Settle on one, or the other, then perhaps we can discuss it.

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You walk up to a person on the street that is unconscious and their wallet is laying open next to them. There are 12 fifty dollar bills sticking out of it. Nobody is around. Do you :

a. call 911, and stay next to the person keeping check on their vital signs and wait for the ambulance?

or

b. take the cash and slip away with $600?

One = Goodness, or at least the absence of badness, and the other = bad.

reply to post by nenothtu


Fair enough - let's stick to "allow"

Why would God allow satan to do his own thing, unless it was eventually to God's benefit?

Humans get free will because giving us this freedom will ultimately glorify God.
Why then does satan get free will? What is the purpose of giving satan free will if it will not end up being for God's benefit?