Water found on the sun

Water? Really?

A sunspot is cooler than the rest of the sun, ergo water can exist there.

I am not biting.

More proof is required.

It's a legit university report of a scientific paper. Published in Science.

Good dig of an old finding.

The fulltext of it is free at Canadian U Waterloo , 995 KB pdf

bernath.uwaterloo.ca/media/138.pdf

www.sciencemag.org/content/268/5214/1155.abstract

Science 26 May 1995:
Vol. 268 no. 5214 pp. 1155-1158
DOI: 10.1126/science.7761830

Water on the sun

L Wallace, P Bernath, W Livingston, K Hinkle, J Busler, B Guo, K Zhang

- Author Affiliations

L. Wallace and K. Hinkle, Kilt Peak National Observatory,
National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Post Office
Box 26732, Tucson, AZ. 85726, USA.
P. Bernath, Department of Chemistry, University of Waterloo,
Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2L 3G 1, and Department
of Chemistry, University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ.
85721, USA.
W. Livingston, National Solar Observatory, National Optical
Astronomy Observatories, Post Office Box 26732,
Tucson, AZ. 85726, USA.
J. Busier, B. Guo, K. Zhang, Department of Chemistry,
University of Waterloo, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2L
3G1.

Abstract

High-resolution infrared spectra of sunspot umbrae have been recorded with the 1-meter Fourier transform spectrometer on Kitt Peak. The spectra contain a very large number of water absorption features originating on the sun. These lines have been assigned to the pure rotation and the vibration-rotation transitions of hot water by comparison with high-temperature laboratory emission spectra.

Nothing is impossible, just highly improbable.

We can compress air or any other gas for that matter and put it into tanks at which point a gas become a liquid under considerable pressure.

Since a Star like our sun has a gravitational large enough to keep planets orbiting around it I you can assume that the gravitational force is stronger as you get closer to the sun. So even though the water may be in a gaseous state do to the extreme pressure applied by the Suns gravitational force as gas becomes a liquid.

Not sure if science backs me up here but its a theory.

Just a thought...

The extreme pressure at which water vapor on/in (?) the sun may change the way that the water molocules behave. They could very well exhibit behavior not yet witnessed by us anywhere else. This idea could help explain its existence in such a unknown environment.

Just as an elevation change (pressure) changes the boiling and freezing temperature on earth the extremes of these factors on the sun which is tens of thousands in magnitude greater than what we wittness here on earth.

Water and Fire dont mix

Water can turn off any fire
fire can vaporise to dust any water

Never though i would see such title
it is so impossible that even the word impossible dont explain how much it is impossible

In my opinion the sun is not a fire ball. My believe is it works with cold fusion and it's rays in contact with our atmosphere make the heat we feel.

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All right everyone, the source says that there is water in the form of steam on the sun. That means that it only has to be cool enough to keep the steam from breaking into hydrogen and oxygen atoms, so that's way above 100 C.

Water is everywhere, all over the Universe. Believe it. Throw your high school science books away. They were worthless then, they're worth less now.

Think about it. You guys are all sitting here in disbelief over something you never had proof of in the first place. Now you have the evidence there in the form of numerous links to scientific journals ... which you now reject until you have more proof. You had no proof then when you formed your astute scientific understanding, but you want proof now when we're a little bit further down the road, at least in that we see a bit more of what we don't know or understand.

Don't think we know a thing in the world yet, as a species. As an allegedly intelligent species, we have yet to find our own backsides. There's a lot of distance from the end of our nose to our butts and we're still focused very much on nasal mining as our cerebral pastime. The Universe is still thoroughly unknown.

It is not a hoax, but rather the phenomena for scientific studies.

National Geographic News

Published June 13, 2011 - Andrew Fazekas

Seven hundred and fifty light-years from Earth, a young, sunlike star has been found with jets that blast epic quantities of water into interstellar space, shooting out droplets that move faster than a speeding bullet.

The discovery suggests that protostars may be seeding the universe with water. These stellar embryos shoot jets of material from their north and south poles as their growth is fed by infalling dust that circles the bodies in vast disks.

"If we picture these jets as giant hoses and the water droplets as bullets, the amount shooting out equals a hundred million times the water flowing through the Amazon River every second," said Lars Kristensen, a postdoctoral astronomer at Leiden University in the Netherlands.

"We are talking about velocities reaching 200,000 kilometers [124,000 miles] per hour, which is about 80 times faster than bullets flying out of a machine gun," said Kristensen, lead author of the new study detailing the discovery, which has been accepted for publication in the journal Astronomy & Astrophysics.

(Related: "Dimmest Stars in Universe Spotted?")

Water Vanishes, Only to Reappear

Located in the northern constellation Perseus, the protostar is no more than a hundred thousand years old and remains swaddled in a large cloud—gas and dust from which the star was born.

Using an infrared instrument on the European Space Agency's Herschel Space Observatory, researchers were able to peer through the cloud and detect telltale light signatures of hydrogen and oxygen atoms—the building blocks of water—moving on and around the star.

After tracing the paths of these atoms, the team concluded that water forms on the star, where temperatures are a few thousand degrees Celsius. But once the droplets enter the outward-spewing jets of gas, 180,000-degree-Fahrenheit (100,000-degree-Celsius) temperatures blast the water back into gaseous form.

Once the hot gases hit the much cooler surrounding material—at about 5,000 times the distance from the sun to Earth—they decelerate, creating a shock front where the gases cool down rapidly, condense, and reform as water, Kristensen said.

(Related: "Coldest Star Found—No Hotter Than Fresh Coffee.")

Stellar Sprinkler Nourishes Galactic "Garden"

What's really exciting about the discovery is that it appears to be a stellar rite of passage, the researchers say, which may shed new light on the earliest stages of our own sun's life—and how water fits into that picture.

"We are only now beginning to understand that sunlike stars probably all undergo a very energetic phase when they are young," Kristensen said. "It's at this point in their lives when they spew out a lot of high-velocity material—part of which we now know is water."

Like a celestial sprinkler system, the star may be enriching the interstellar medium—thin gases that float in the voids between stars. And because the hydrogen and oxygen in water are key components of the dusty disks in which stars form, such protostar sprinklers may be encouraging the growth of further stars, the study says.

(Related: "Supersonic 'Hail' Seeds Star Systems With Water.")

The water-jet phenomenon seen in Perseus is "probably a short-lived phase all protostars go through," Kristensen said.

"But if we have enough of these sprinklers going off throughout the galaxy—this starts to become interesting on many levels."

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Water is probably the most complex non-organic substance.

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by maxella1

 

I don't think it's proven yet, its still just a theory, I could be wrong though...

The theory is simple enough, sunspots may get cool enough to allow hydrogen and oxygen atoms to recombine to create what we would call water vapour.

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we need volunteers to go to the sun and take samples.

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That sounds distinctly like the Nazi scientist Hans Horbiger's "Welteislehre"(world of ice and fire theory),so I wouldn't attach to much credence to it.

Originally posted by type0civ

I think I read a planetary formation theory on this site which suggest material including water is ejected from the sun to produce our planets.I'm still unable to wrap my mind around it.

Found: A Watery Solar System Being Born — and Clues to Earth's Creation

TIME - Oct. 25, 2011 by Jeffrey Kluger

Herschel, which was launched by the European Space Agency in 2009, hovers in space 930,000 miles (1.5 million km) from Earth at what's known as a Lagrange point, a gravitationally quirky spot where the pull of the planet Earth and the sun balance out. This allows a spacecraft placed just so to remain locked in place on the far side of the planet, shielded from solar interference. In the case of Herschel, that's important, because the readings it takes are exquisitely precise, scanning the skies in the far infrared and submillimeter wavelengths.

Turning its gaze toward a star known as TW Hydrae — a comparatively cool orange dwarf just 10 million years old — the telescope recently found a vast disk of dusty material moving in a solar orbit about 200 times as far from the star as Earth is from our own sun. Dust is just dust in the visible spectrum, but operating in the extreme infrared, Herschel was able to spot the surprising signal of water — lots and lots of water — created as ultraviolet light from the star knocked individual water molecules free from the traces of ice that cling to the dust grains.

The new findings push the knowledge frontier further since the colder region where the TW Hydrae vapor disk was found is exactly where comets could more easily form, but where the raw materials for that to happen had not been seen until now. Says Herschel astronomer Michiel Hogerheijde of the Leiden Observatory in the Netherlands: "Our observations of this cold vapor indicate enough water exists in the disk to fill thousands of Earth's oceans."

www.time.com...

At a few thousand degrees water splits into hydrogen and oxygen and combusts. It cannot even be on certain chemical fires for this reason. Sunspots do not get cool enough to overcome this. Not even close.

Originally posted by nake13
reply to post by type0civ

That sounds distinctly like the Nazi scientist Hans Horbiger's "Welteislehre"(world of ice and fire theory),so I wouldn't attach to much credence to it.

Lest we forget that the most of US science and tech is created by 1st and 2nd generations of immigrants. From the 3rd generation US usually recess to their mom's garages to watch ZNN, play fallout and download fake chinese porn: www.abovetopsecret.com...

This has me stumped.. I don't see how it is possible.

If true, we should definitely colonize the sun! Who's up for getting a tan??

Originally posted by Legion2024
reply to post by maxella1

 

Just because it is unbelievable does not mean it is not true.

I was under the impression that the sun is kinda hollow or more like "Pure vacuum" on the inside and the sunspots are weak points of this vacuums bubble and the light and gasses are sucked inwards and not outwards hence why there are dark spots.

Hmm who knows.

hmmm interesting.


its gotta go somewhere right?



but really, how can they know there is water on the sun, if they haven't gone there?


i doubt they would survive a trip to the sun, but until they can, no way they can prove it.

Originally posted by BohemianBrim
i dont think i can believe that.

No really!!! I was up there the other day and it was a little cool out and it snowed , I forget exactly what sunspot it was but anyway .....what a blast sledding snowball fights .....just a great day on the sun.

Originally posted by CosmicEgg
Water is everywhere, all over the Universe. Believe it. Throw your high school science books away. They were worthless then, they're worth less now.

But high school science books DO tell us water seems to be very common throughout the universe -- found in nebulae and other deep space sources. My daughter's science book had a entry about how elemental oxygen formed in supernovae later mixes with hydrogen gas in nebula clouds to form into molecular water, which then becomes part of new solar systems -- solar systems with water.

The idea that molecular water (in vapor, liquid, or ice form) can be found everywhere in the universe is not a brand-new one. This has commonly been known since at least the 1990s, and even earlier. Here is an article from the 1990s that discusses finding water in the Orion Nebula:

Astronomers Observe Water Forming in The Orion Nebula

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People

Originally posted by CosmicEgg
Water is everywhere, all over the Universe. Believe it. Throw your high school science books away. They were worthless then, they're worth less now.

But high school science books DO tell us water seems to be very common throughout the universe -- found in nebulae and other deep space sources. My daughter's science book had a entry about how elemental oxygen formed in supernovae later mixes with hydrogen gas in nebula clouds to form into molecular water, which then becomes part of new solar systems -- solar systems with water.

The idea that molecular water (in vapor, liquid, or ice form) can be found everywhere in the universe is not a brand-new one. This has commonly been known since at least the 1990s, and even earlier. Here is an article from the 1990s that discusses finding water in the Orion Nebula:

Astronomers Observe Water Forming in The Orion Nebula

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Water on the sun and water in a nebula at LYs from a star is not the same thing. The latter is easy to believe, while the former makes no sense without a heck of an explanation, which has not been presented yet here.

Originally posted by Manhater

Originally posted by BohemianBrim
i dont think i can believe that.

And with how hot the sun is, it would like totally evaporate.

Evaporation is the process the molecules take to change form. Just because it evaporates doesn't mean the molecules "disappear". The elements are still there to make the water/steam/Ice they just need to be put back together!