EXTRAORDINARY: Strong Russian ground forces moved in Syria

reply to post by Trajan


India will not get itself into this mess for USA.Iran is not a strong power.China vs usa will exhaust and destroy each other.

reply to post by ALF88


While I agree that Hilary Clinton looks much like a horse.......you cannot actually expect whats coming out her mouth as being truth do you?

Id take my chances with India and Israel on the side of NATO....sure would.

Originally posted by Trajan
reply to post by princeofpeace

 

And Pakistan and China have nuclear weapons capable of hitting any Indian city in return. China beat India in a war before, without Pakistani help, back in the 1960's. Do you really think the Indian army (Who have been proved to be under equipped and lack training) are going to able to stand against the military might of Pakistan, Iran and China? I doubt it.

reply to post by mkgandhas


Iran is a regional power. They have the military strength to crush any nearby nation except Pakistan and India. Israel is probably slightly stronger but it can't absorb blows like Iran can.

India will get involved if it gives them a chance to pound Pakistan with minimal risk but China would step in to help Pakistan.

Russia & Syria have both accused the Saudis & Qatar of funding the rebels


Qatar wants to build a Gas pipeline to Europe that is set to run through Iraq, Turkey,


A shorter route would take it through Syria to which Assad "allies with Russia" refused,


This gas pipeline would see Gazprom/The Russian economy collapse should it be built


Just saying...

reply to post by princeofpeace


India? lol.. India has been a russian client for a long time.Israel with NATO yes.India won't get involved.

Originally posted by princeofpeace
Id take my chances with India and Israel on the side of NATO....sure would.

Lol, where did I bring Israel into this? I compared their might to Iran to prove that Iran is a regional power. Keep up.

Also,

India is powerful but it can't stand up to the combined arms of Pakistan and China. Here is a little snippet of power to prove it.

China - 3 million troops (Active and Reserve), 5,100 Air Craft and 25,000 Artillery pieces and a total naval might of 900 ships.
Pakistan - 1.1 million troops, 1,400 Air Craft and 1800 Artillery pieces and a naval strength of 11 ships.

India - 3 million troops, 2500 Air Craft and 10,000 Artillery pieces and a naval power of 100 ships.

So Sino-Pakistan have 4 million troops, 6,500 Air Craft, 911 Ships and 26,800 artillery.

That gives China-Pakistan an advantage in manpower, air power, naval power and heavy artillery.


If you want to count Iran and Israel fine but the odds are still heavily in Iran-Pakistan-China's favor.

Originally posted by Trajan
reply to post by mkgandhas

 

Iran is a regional power. They have the military strength to crush any nearby nation except Pakistan and India. Israel is probably slightly stronger but it can't absorb blows like Iran can.

India will get involved if it gives them a chance to pound Pakistan with minimal risk but China would step in to help Pakistan.

India won't .India's army is stretched due to internal civil disturbances due to massive corruption scams being unveiled everyday.Indian public is mad at congress party.Not much chance to get in a war. Israel is much stronger than Iran.Israel has massive civil defence.Only nations that can severely harm it is syria on a regional level.Russia can incinerate it totally.Russia has the firepower for a mass doomsday war.Large number of underground cities and civil defence.

reply to post by Trajan


are you a pakistani?

reply to post by mkgandhas


Am I a Pakistani? Hardly. I am Irish born and bred.

I fail to see how my view made you come to the conclusion that I am a Pakistani.
Mind enlightening me?

reply to post by Trajan


Your idea that India will side with NATO and israel...

Originally posted by Trajan
reply to post by mkgandhas

 

Iran is a regional power. They have the military strength to crush any nearby nation except Pakistan and India. Israel is probably slightly stronger but it can't absorb blows like Iran can.

India will get involved if it gives them a chance to pound Pakistan with minimal risk but China would step in to help Pakistan.

LOL

Is that why Israel absorbed an attack from Egypt, Syria, & Jordan, and beat them in just 6 days?

I think they made the same mistake you did

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by mkgandhas

Originally posted by Trajan
reply to post by mkgandhas

 

Iran is a regional power. They have the military strength to crush any nearby nation except Pakistan and India. Israel is probably slightly stronger but it can't absorb blows like Iran can.

India will get involved if it gives them a chance to pound Pakistan with minimal risk but China would step in to help Pakistan.

India won't .India's army is stretched due to internal civil disturbances due to massive corruption scams being unveiled everyday.Indian public is mad at congress party.Not much chance to get in a war. Israel is much stronger than Iran.Israel has massive civil defence.Only nations that can severely harm it is syria on a regional level.Russia can incinerate it totally.Russia has the firepower for a mass doomsday war.Large number of underground cities and civil defence.

You, clearly have no idea how powerful Iran is in comparison to the Middle East.

Iran has more men, a larger navy, more missiles and has the same amount of land based weapons. The only difference is Israel has a larger air force... Which won't count for squawk over the long distance unless they want to leave themselves open to counter attacks.

Syria is weaker than Iran is. Much weaker.
Also, Iran's Shabab-3 missiles can reach Tel Aviv. Even with the Iron Dome and Arrow defenses they will still be overpowered by what Iran can launch.

reply to post by Trajan


You are very mistaken.You have not analysed the chemical and biological arsenal of Syria.Iran is mainly conventional based power.Not WMD.

Very mistaken .

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Lol, Iran is hell of a lot more powerful than those countries were.
And that was land based invasion. This wouldn't be an invasion but an absolute hammering of missiles from Iran's long range arsenal. Not including what Chemical weapons Syria can throw into the fray.


Even if the Iron Dome works at max efficiency (98%) it can only hold 12 missiles at a time before it needs reloading. In that time who knows how many missiles Iran can get through?

Its about control its very simple Syria is the last true ally that Iran has and Syria is one of the last and almost only countries in the middle east that is not a puppet state to America/NATO and or is not subordinate to the United States. Syria however is a mess right now and war torn and if Syria falls than American and NATO led power only further increases due to to current violence in Syria the Syrian governments hands are tied and Iran has been effectively isolated and has zero international support. If Syria falls than Iran losses its last ally in the middle east in addition Hezbolah in lebanon likely falls as they are heavily backed and supplied by Syria. The reason that Russia is backing Syria is that Syria although not a huge power player in the world or middle east, Syria represents a country free of Western control and against western hegemonic dominance in the middle east. Syria and Russia are allies in that way that they both oppose an increasing dominance of western affairs. The reason that china is anti Iran but not anti Syria is that China is very western friendly and should be viewed as an ally not an enemy in addition they are heavily dependent upon western corporations among other things for the success of their economy. Furthermore a nuclear armed Iran is a threat to the very close china and can influence China's neighbor's and expand their influence into the former soviet central asian states which are increasingly nationalistic but unguided by any dominant regional power and Iran in turn could become more defiant and powerful with nuclear weapons and form some alliance with those central asian states. It is thus to American and Chinese interests to avoid that and furthermore to that those central asian states if they became subordinate to Moscow or Iran would only hurt china's increasing need for Oil, trade routes and materials.

China simply opposes intervention in Syria because they feel its not necessary and does nothing to help their own interest. Unlike Iran Syria is not a threat to china or anyone and China sees Assad being removed from power as a bad thing as the country would become increasingly more unstable and be without a stable leader. China also likely realizes that its unlikely that Syria would become a subordinate state to the west and they feel that it only enhances western dominance in the middle east and leaves out China.


In short Russia Russia backs Syria because Syria is not a western puppet nor subordinate it levels some power

In Short China supports the west more than people think and supports intervention in Iran but not Syria because Syria is stable with Assad and without is more unstable. They also feel Syria without Assad would be beneficial to western world and not china at all. China possibly fears (although unlikely) fears they might eventually be pushed out of the middle east for oil. But that is unlikely seeing as how Chinese American relations has become increasingly stronger since 2000.

reply to post by mkgandhas


If you are basing power off of Chem weapons then Syria is the world's most powerful country.

Even if you factor in Syria's Chemical stock pile, Iran is still stronger. It has a larger air force, more med-long range missiles, more men, more land weapons and better logistics.

reply to post by Trajan


Iran's airforce is antiquated.Main force is in SAM's.Same with Syria. Iran has better logistics.

As for chemical arsenal ,Russia has the largest and most efficient nerve gas capable of penetrating NBC gear.Check the Novichok-5 and Novichok-7.

Originally posted by mkgandhas
reply to post by Trajan

 

Your idea that India will side with NATO and israel...

Yes India of course will side with the US/NATO "IF ANY" here is why

Ever since the 1962 war between China & India, both sides have been extremely cautious and suspicious of each other. There has been no resolution to the border issue over remote, heavily militarized territories in the Himalayas in spite of numerous rounds of negotiations and tensions that have flared recently.

China and India are building up their interests in conflict-prone and unstable states on their borders like Nepal and Burma — important sources of natural resources. If something goes wrong in these countries — if the politics implode — you could see the emergence of proxy war

China's unique status as the source of transboundary river flows to the largest number of countries in the world and its water disputes with virtually all riparian neighbors has serious implications for its major south-westerly neighbor, India. Both China and India are major rising powers; both states have exhibited high rates of economic growth; and both states are heavily reliant on natural resources—especially water—for their sustained development. China’s control over the source of major Indian rivers, its construction of mega-dams, its ambitious water management plans, and its rejection of institutionalized water-sharing cooperation creates a potential for serious conflict with India. How can a Sino-Indian water war be averted as China seeks to disturb the status quo on international river flows? Brahma Chellaney, professor of strategic studies at the Centre for Policy Research in New Delhi, and author of Water: Asia’s New Battleground (Georgetown University Press, September 2011), discussed tensions that could result from China’s control over important water sources

carnegieendowment.org...

Originally posted by Trajan

Originally posted by mkgandhas

Originally posted by Trajan
reply to post by mkgandhas

 

Iran is a regional power. They have the military strength to crush any nearby nation except Pakistan and India. Israel is probably slightly stronger but it can't absorb blows like Iran can.

India will get involved if it gives them a chance to pound Pakistan with minimal risk but China would step in to help Pakistan.

India won't .India's army is stretched due to internal civil disturbances due to massive corruption scams being unveiled everyday.Indian public is mad at congress party.Not much chance to get in a war. Israel is much stronger than Iran.Israel has massive civil defence.Only nations that can severely harm it is syria on a regional level.Russia can incinerate it totally.Russia has the firepower for a mass doomsday war.Large number of underground cities and civil defence.

You, clearly have no idea how powerful Iran is in comparison to the Middle East.

Iran has more men, a larger navy, more missiles and has the same amount of land based weapons. The only difference is Israel has a larger air force... Which won't count for squawk over the long distance unless they want to leave themselves open to counter attacks.

Syria is weaker than Iran is. Much weaker.
Also, Iran's Shabab-3 missiles can reach Tel Aviv. Even with the Iron Dome and Arrow defenses they will still be overpowered by what Iran can launch.

Israel beats Iran they have nukes
Pakistan has nukes wins but cannot deliver the force that Iran can
India has nukes and wins
Turkey has a stronger better equipped military than Iran

India wont get involved highly unlikely western countries would probably prefer if the western friendly India avoids war. As India getting involved would only make Pakistan want to get involved and China supports Pakistan as its a way to counter India's regional influence and India has a huge population and military but its not very stronger. None the less India is friendly with the west and US and Pakistan has US military bases there and the Americans would not want the Pakistanis or Indians to fight as it only does more harm than good...

Israel without nukes would get beat by Iran as Iran has to much man power and can deliver to much force. Also what is said is true Iran can better absorb blows than Israel can (unless nuclear seeing how Iran has no nukes). Iran also has missiles capable of reaching Europe (hence the reason for missile defense shield although its more so aimed at Russia and further isolating the decaying Russia).. Iran military is stronger than everyone in the middle east except Turkey and Israel. Iran navy and air force is extremely weak however i suggest you take a look at the air craft they fly and their naval ships its almost non existent. None the less they do have a adequate number of missiles and artillery and ground forces. Iran could give problems to Israel even without nukes because of their number of ballistic missiles. Israel however ultimately wins because of superior air force and nukes and better trained technology and support. Turkey beats Iran as well for many reasons, Saudi Arabia has a large force heavily US supplied and even trained to an extent but loses to Iran. Syria is much weaker than Iran but an ally to Iran although it is War Torn right now. A US led strike on Iran however would render Iran unable to reply only the US and its allies are capable of effectively dealing with Iran and taking no damage. Other countries are unlikely to take out Iran capabilities to launch some amount of ballistic missiles.