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posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 05:20 PM
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I think the most important part and the part that sets you apart from most is not your experience but the fact that you did your research.

Most die-hard party loyalists have come up in situations that hold them to one party or the other just as you did, they just don't do their research, so they remain hardened to a party.

But still, the problem remains - the 2-party system.

Good for you OP




posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 05:22 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
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Your OP reminded me of a time where mywife and I visited her cousins in another state. My wife and I both worked, and we were saving up to buy a tv. Subsequently, we had time to travel.

One of her cousins had a similar living environment, 3 tv's, a fridge full of food. A nice home, new furnature.

Her cousins "job" was grafting the system.



Oh, I see that all the time....

I have heard friends and relatives say, while shopping for their section 8 home in the suburbs:

"This one does not have the vaulted ceilings that I like...next house please."

"Where is the fireplace? Next house please."

"I need a 2 car-garage, thank you...Next house please."

Welfare no longer has the negative connotation that it once carried. In fact, this class lives better than the working class, and most feel absolutely no shame about it whatsoever.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 05:29 PM
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Ownership, pride, personal responsibility have become dirty words anymore.

Personal responsibility should NOT have a political label attached to it.

Yet it is mocked for not taking advantage of all the government has to offer.
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posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 05:43 PM
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Thank you Buttercookie...I think you and I spoke of this topic before...good to see you made a thread on it!!

I have been shouting this from the rooftops for quite some time now...I hope people are beginning to listen!

I am not black, but I car about people no matter what there color or creed and what the democratic party is doing is just modern day slavery wrapped up in a bow...it is disgusting and their next move is the latinos....I hope everyone is paying attention.

Thank you for your service!



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by ButterCookie


Even though I will be voting republican, I don't agree with all 'republican ideologies'...for example, I am not religious, I believe in gay rights, and I support abortion.


This doesnt really make sense. You list several reasons why the Dems dont line up with your own ideas, so you dont vote Dem. But then you list several reasons why Reps also dont line up with your ideals, but then say you will vote for them?

ETA: Sounds to me like your decision to 'become a Republican' is really more a knee-jerk refutation of the Dems, and not actually an embracing of GOP party platforms.

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posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by ButterCookie
 


Ownership, pride, personal responsibility have become dirty words anymore.

Personal responsibility should NOT have a political label attached to it.

Yet it is mocked for not taking advantage of all the government has to offer.
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This is true as well. I know I don't have to tell you beezzer, but in reality when one does 'take advantage of the system' they are actually hurting the country/themselves because their situations become generational, the younger generations learn from the previous ones and the cycle continues which in turn pushes the country towards socialism or other 'isms' as the programs that allow these situations to happen grow larger and larger and become unsustainable. It's really a catch 22.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 05:58 PM
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Originally posted by timetothink
Thank you Buttercookie...I think you and I spoke of this topic before...good to see you made a thread on it!!

I have been shouting this from the rooftops for quite some time now...I hope people are beginning to listen!

I am not black, but I car about people no matter what there color or creed and what the democratic party is doing is just modern day slavery wrapped up in a bow...it is disgusting and their next move is the latinos....I hope everyone is paying attention.

Thank you for your service!


You are very welcome (ooo-rahh!)

Yes, it is happening to the Hispanic community too, and I wonder if they are noticing it.

Imagine the backlash that I get from my community as a black woman- it was enough that I came out of my 'atheist closet' and announced that I was no longer religious, and now this!


I have noticed that when political party conversation comes up among friends/relatives, they quickly scream how the 'evil rich white republicans' keeps them down- then I mention how it if they are against racism, then they are loyal to the wrong party. When I explain to them the history of the parties, especially how and why the KKK was started, they tend to ignore those facts. I mention that the Republican party is about getting off of gov't assistance and taking personal responsibility, yet they ignore that too.

They insist that being rich is an evil thing, and that being poor is the way to go.

A relative of mine even stated, "How do you think we would make it if it wasn't for all the welfare programs?????"




posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 05:58 PM
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That's why elections have become more about "what can you get me" instead of choosing the best person to represent you.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by ButterCookie


Even though I will be voting republican, I don't agree with all 'republican ideologies'...for example, I am not religious, I believe in gay rights, and I support abortion.


This doesnt really make sense. You list several reasons why the Dems dont line up with your own ideas, so you dont vote Dem. But then you list several reasons why Reps also dont line up with your ideals, but then say you will vote for them?


Because those ideologies listed are personal/ social ones.

I support the Republican stance of economics and individual responsibility, as I see that as a way toward a more stable country- which far outweigh how I feel about religion or sex.




posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 06:01 PM
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I can't imagine, Butter, it must be awful going against the grain like that...you are very brave....but more and more people like you are doing it!! I can u2u info on a great blogger who educated me on all this...you might even be aware of him...he will really give you hope!

Keep strong and keep up the fight!!



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
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That's why elections have become more about "what can you get me" instead of choosing the best person to represent you.



Exactly, which is why people in poverty tend to vote democratic.

An 'evil Republican' might tell them to quit having children out of wedlock and get a job....



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by timetothink
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I can't imagine, Butter, it must be awful going against the grain like that...you are very brave....but more and more people like you are doing it!! I can u2u info on a great blogger who educated me on all this...you might even be aware of him...he will really give you hope!

Keep strong and keep up the fight!!


Please do!!



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by ButterCookie

Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by ButterCookie


Even though I will be voting republican, I don't agree with all 'republican ideologies'...for example, I am not religious, I believe in gay rights, and I support abortion.


This doesnt really make sense. You list several reasons why the Dems dont line up with your own ideas, so you dont vote Dem. But then you list several reasons why Reps also dont line up with your ideals, but then say you will vote for them?


Because those ideologies listed are personal/ social ones.

I support the Republican stance of economics and individual responsibility, as I see that as a way toward a more stable country- which far outweigh how I feel about religion or sex.



I guess. It just sounds like your decision is more a refutation of the Dems than an embracing of everything the Reps actually stand for.

Have you ever considered voting based on individual candidates on not by party line?



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by muse7

In American politics, the Southern strategy refers to the Republican Party strategy of winning elections in Southern states by exploiting anti-African American racism and fears of lawlessness among Southern white voters and appealing to fears of growing federal power in social and economic matters (generally lumped under the concept of states' rights).


Seems like you are just suffering from Stockholm Syndrome


Actually, she freed herself from being a pawn in a scheme to ensure perpetual dependence. Dependents have never had any real power in ll of human history. And they never will.
OP is 100% correct about the Democratic Party.
The only way to empower yourself is to avoid group politics, avoid a victimhood mentality, and embrace personal responsibility and self reliance.

Why is it that mainstream media which is completely owned and controlled by international corporations tend to slant toward Democratic stances on issues? Because they really care or because corporations like to have a dependent, powerless citizenry to consume?

I tend to disagree with the OP about the Republicans in that I do not care much for that party either. The Republicans definitely also use racial politics in other ways and I don't care for their fear tactics that are similar in convincing folks that they need the government to protect them.

That being said, if you must choose between the 2 and you feel any individual self worth and you aren't self loathing, your only choice is the G.O.P. Not sure why you have to pick, though.
I'm Independent unless I want to vote in a primary. I temporarily join the party in whose primary I want to vote. But believe me, there is no party loyalty there.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 06:07 PM
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One useful thing about this thread is it exposes certain members as being Republicans, despite their constant claims of being non-partisan'.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by ButterCookie

Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by ButterCookie


Even though I will be voting republican, I don't agree with all 'republican ideologies'...for example, I am not religious, I believe in gay rights, and I support abortion.


This doesnt really make sense. You list several reasons why the Dems dont line up with your own ideas, so you dont vote Dem. But then you list several reasons why Reps also dont line up with your ideals, but then say you will vote for them?


Because those ideologies listed are personal/ social ones.

I support the Republican stance of economics and individual responsibility, as I see that as a way toward a more stable country- which far outweigh how I feel about religion or sex.



I guess. It just sounds like your decision is more a refutation of the Dems than an embracing of everything the Reps actually stand for.

Have you ever considered voting based on individual candidates on not by party line?



The individual candidates are going to be either democratic or republican. In fact, I could care less about the individual...I care about the party agenda as a whole.

I decided to stay off the Democratic Plantation.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by ButterCookie

Originally posted by stanguilles7


Have you ever considered voting based on individual candidates on not by party line?



The individual candidates are going to be either democratic or republican. In fact, I could care less about the individual...I care about the party agenda as a whole.

I decided to stay off the Democratic Plantation.


Good job. Hopefully, in due time, you see the Republicans Plantation is not much different and that voting based on party is a very small-minded approach to gaining your freedom. Out of the frying pan, into the fryer.

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posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 06:17 PM
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I'm sorry, but this sounds like complete and utter BS propaganda, probably from that military propaganda unit that's supposedly posting in these forums.

This reminds me of that post I see every 6 months about how Jewish people only vote for Democrats because they feel guilty about having more money than black people.

I think this woman is a ficticious character to compete with Obama's Julia, don't be duped people. A vote for the Republicans is a vote to end freedom and instill aristocracy.
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posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by CB328
I'm sorry, but this sounds like complete and utter BS propaganda, probably from that military propaganda unit that's supposedly posting in these forums.

This reminds me of that post I see every 6 months about how Jewish people only vote for Democrats because they feel guilty about having more money than black people.

I think this woman is a ficticious character to compete with Obama's Julia, don't be duped people. A vote for the Republicans is a vote to end freedom and instill aristocracy.
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Classic.
A black woman cannot possibly be a Republican. Keep that mind good and washed, friend.

The current Democratic Administration is extremely adversarial to individual liberties and has shredded most of the Bill of Rights in the name of the poor pitiful victims who are so pathetic that they can't help themselves without the government holding their hand. I think those victims are the fictional creation and that citizens could take care of themselves fine without the government creating problems and then coming out with the "solutions" those same problems.

I don't identify with the establishment Republicans any more than I do the Dems, but at least a faction of the Republican party has more or less "rebelled" and is becoming a force that is demanding fiscal common sense and personal responsibility.

A truer statement would read "A vote for any establishment politician is a vote to end freedom and establish aristocracy". Dems are completely dominated by elites. Always have been and always will be. Their policies go far more toward keeping the poor downtrodden and the rich in power. It is the party of paternalism. The party that absolutely NEEDS the poor to stay poor, because if it were any other way, they'd be fighting to end their own existence.

Sounds like you may want to follow your own advice about being duped.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 06:29 PM
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So you would be comfortable in a room like this?






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