Why I (a black woman) left the Democratic Party

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posted on Jun, 23 2012 @ 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by ButterCookie

Originally posted by g2v12
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I'm curious as to why you haven't responded to my post ButterCookie.


To what in particular?

If its about the statement that many southern white racists vote republican, what is our point? Part of the reason this happened as a result of Johnson's Southern Strategy; as this population saw the migration of the black vote toward the Democratic party, they no longer wanted to be affiliated with that party, and thus switched their preference.

Also, it could be that this population simply aligns their political ideologies with the Republican Party/ Personal Responsibility, less government.

What is your point?



First, I didn't make any statements about southern white racists. That's a misquote.

Secondly, you haven't acknowledged my original post. I'm just left wondering why you've addressed the points others have made, but not mine. Are you avoiding certain issues that apply to your favorite political party or which refute what you are claiming as fact?

Another question would be why you are focusing on obscure historical contexts to base your choices (if your stated beliefs are in fact what you believe) when these contexts you mentioned are basically mute points which carry little if any weight in a 21st century political climate.

I am beginning to wonder if we are really talking with an American black woman as you claim or if something else is being conducted here. For all we know, you could be some white racist promoting the Republican party agenda.

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posted on Jun, 23 2012 @ 06:28 PM
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Wow.

Just ask your question..the thread has gotten quite long and I haven't been on here in a few days.

Please, feel free to ask your question.

And by the way, I laugh at your notion that surely I cannot be a black woman because black women can't join the Marine Corps, want to leave poverty, and not be religious.

I am totally ignoring that ridiculous attempt to thwart my thread......



posted on Jun, 23 2012 @ 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by g2v12
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There's allot going on in your introductory post and I haven't had time to review all of the responses, so I am not privy to the general spirit that exists, but your query caused me to mention a few observations.

First, you spoke of what you feel the parties are representing now through a couple of scenarios you experienced first hand. You also compared the two parties through a historical construct. I'm just not sure how the past and present are being applied, since there has been a good amount of political reform and fundamental shifts in the paradigm of American social conscience, and in politics as well.

For example, you mentioned that the Democrats supported the institution of slavery (1860s). Yet, in the 1950s civil rights movement the (white Democrats) aggressively lead the way for desegregation, marched with Martin Luther King and went into poor southern black American communities to encourage voting. Pres. John F. Kennedy appointed forty black Americans to federal posts, including five black federal judges, Pres. Lindon B. Johnson signed off on the 1946 Civil Rights Act.

On the Republican side, I would personally tend to recognize this group as an organization that has profited nicely by shifting the funding of needed social programs to proliferate a two front war in the Middle East (which has created five million orphans) and the formation and expansion of America's police state through the Patriot Act, which endangers freedoms for all Americans.

I think that as people, we recognize these patterns according to personal values and what we hold as reality and of course through the filters of our frame of reference.

You mentioned how the Republicans supported free enterprise and working, as opposed to how Democrats supported laziness through a bloated welfare dole. Thirty years ago I saw the Rep. party support of "capitalism" as a political means to shift the center of wealth from the laborer to the wealthy (elitists) through their push of the NAFTA trade treaty. NAFTA allowed US manufacturers to retain a much greater share of the profits by cutting out American workers and weakening the unions. In addition, Republicans were the force in every amnesty for millions of Latin Americans working in the US illegally, which was another step in destroying the local labor wage in the housing market and construction.

BTW, I was a Republican all my life, as my father and grandfather before me. I voted for Obama because my party became dominated by greedy, fascist extremists who were threatening my economic future and constitutional liberties.

I could go on and on indefinitely, writing a one hundred page dissertation on how destructive this party really has become. I think the bottom line for everyone is that they vote according to personal values. The real matters that confront us as Americans are the things which have the most historical context. Recent history, not the civil war period, but more along the time line of post WWII.

Your post is really great because it gives everyone a chance to consider his position and revise the data and its contexts.
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ButterCookie, above is a copy of my post if you are interested.

First, I didn't accuse you of not being a black woman, I stated that I was having doubts, based on some of your preconceptions.

I would like to bring to your attention a post by Schrödinger, who mentions how he considers your preoccupation with racism a theme which seems to motivate your political views. If this is the case, and your social views are defined by racial overtones, it would be advisable to consider where that leads you in terms of choice. Such thought filters and biases will never lead to your intellectual potential.

I am also concerned about your example of a friend who lived in a 'big beautiful home in the suburbs' (paraphrasing) and on welfare. This example, if true, is not at all typical and sadly feeds into the black stereotype so many white people garner these days. Statistically, there are far more white people on welfare than blacks, and yet I never hear anyone criticizing them for abusing it.

It appears that you took an extreme case to use as a rationale as support for a preconceived ( and false) opinion that the Dems. promote racism through social programs. You also named a few successful black Americans who happened to be Reps. as a rationale for your idea of success.

Based on historical data, I don't see these examples as evidence of institutionalized racism or success in regards to either party.



posted on Jun, 23 2012 @ 09:10 PM
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Ok. I am sorry that you are not 'convinced enough'. There is really no argument here. This thread was really not for you to believe or not anyway...it was more for people to understand my personal switch of the political parties based on fact and yes, history. Race is not a major them, as you state. It is important, however, because the majority of the black community are only democratic by tradition- they really don't understand politics nor the agenda of each party. MOST, not ALL blacks. So this is something that may hit home with other black ATS'ers that have began to research the parties, or just to tell my story on things that I have learned about the subject.

I am not sure why you have a problem with that- I can only advise that you ignore the thread if it 'offends' you, or if you continue to find it hard to believe that identity or party affiliation.

No energy to perpetuate racism with you, so I am not buying into your 'argument' with me.

Be well.



posted on Jun, 23 2012 @ 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by ButterCookie
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Ok. I am sorry that you are not 'convinced enough'. There is really no argument here. This thread was really not for you to believe or not anyway...it was more for people to understand my personal switch of the political parties based on fact and yes, history. Race is not a major them, as you state. It is important, however, because the majority of the black community are only democratic by tradition- they really don't understand politics nor the agenda of each party. MOST, not ALL blacks. So this is something that may hit home with other black ATS'ers that have began to research the parties, or just to tell my story on things that I have learned about the subject.

I am not sure why you have a problem with that- I can only advise that you ignore the thread if it 'offends' you, or if you continue to find it hard to believe that identity or party affiliation.

No energy to perpetuate racism with you, so I am not buying into your 'argument' with me.

Be well.



MOST white people don't understand politics or how a Republic and self governance is dependent upon knowledge of history and democratic rule. So, what you are saying here is really not unique at all.

Although I appreciate what you are trying to do, I still haven't seen what you refer to as historic facts that support your political suppositions. That's not a crime or something am having any difficulty dealing with or a reason to blow off a thread.

You said this is historical and I haven't seen it in the thread.

Perhaps you can offer some historical evidence that applies to what is happening today. I would certainly be interested in that.



posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 08:24 PM
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Yeah the republican party that my mom grew up in doesn't exist today. Today it has merged to a party that tells people what they want to hear and finger points at the Dems.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 09:49 AM
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Originally posted by xEphon
In 2012 I don't think you'll find much difference between the Democratic or Republican party. They are both owned and run by corporate interest.
Of course you have your superficial differences between the two, but at the end of the day, the President and whichever party he belongs to will tow a fairly moderate line.

When people say that Republicans and Democrats are just two sides of the same coin, they aren't lying.

I'm registered Independent.
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This coin has a lot of sides.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
Bottom line is that a strong economy producing a bunch of rich people is better overall, even for the poor. Liberals dont see this because they take on a victim-perspective. They think that becoming rich means one would have to take money away from the collective. Republicans, on the other hand, think that by providing/selling goods and services to the collective one becomes rich. While there is certainly merit to a number of liberal policies, fiscal wisdom certainly isnt one of them. Nice post btw.
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Well then in that case, if your theory is true we should be in great shape here in the USA.
All we have done for the past 20-30 years is see the middle class shrink but we have produced a bunch of rich people. Not a lot has trickled down unfortunately so that sort of blows this theory out of the water.

American Politics and the Second Guilded Age

The U.S. economy appears to be coming apart at the seams. Unemployment remains at nearly ten percent, the highest level in almost 30 years; foreclosures have forced millions of Americans out of their homes; and real incomes have fallen faster and further than at any time since the Great Depression. Many of those laid off fear that the jobs they have lost -- the secure, often unionized, industrial jobs that provided wealth, security, and opportunity -- will never return. They are probably right. And yet a curious thing has happened in the midst of all this misery. The wealthiest Americans, among them presumably the very titans of global finance whose misadventures brought about the financial meltdown, got richer. And not just a little bit richer; a lot richer.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 03:08 AM
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i think you totally missed the obvious fact that there is really a one-party system in america wherein both ends of the political spectrum are used to play a false dualism [the old 'divide and conquer']. the sad and simple truth is that broadly, these horrid foreign and domestic economic/war policies run intact across both republican and democrat administrations. there is only one reason for that. its a one party system, with the same wealthy elitists playing both teams.

you arent even a participant and never have been if you dont see that.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by ButterCookie

Originally posted by NoHierarchy
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Ok no...

First of all, your entire thread is RIFE with BS.

YOU CANNOT BUY AN UPPER-MIDDLE CLASS LIFESTYLE WITH WELFARE/FOOD STAMPS. Anybody who actually tells you this is lying or completely full of it. So yes, OP, I am either calling you a liar or full of complete falsehoods.

Secondly, the MODERN DEMOCRATIC PARTY is NOT the same as the SOUTHERN DEMOCRATS of the Civil War Era!!!
The SOUTHERN DEMOCRATS of the Civil War Era were CONSERVATIVE RACISTS. That's right- they were RIGHT-WING by today's standards and supported Jim Crow laws.

Abraham Lincoln may have been CALLED a Republican, but Republicans/Democrats were DIFFERENT back then than they are now. Abraham Lincoln was actually more SOCIALIST leaning than any Capitalistic/Religious nut/War-mongering BS the Republicans are all about now.


No. You just made yourself look very, very ignorant as regards to historical knowledge as well as socioecoomic information.

It is a historic fact that Abraham Lincoln was a REPUBLICAN, which was a newly formed party as a result of an anti-slavery sentiment. This president did in fact ABOLISH slavery, and in fact did create the 13th,14th, and 15th amendments.

Regardless if Lincoln was in LOVE with blacks, the fact is that he and his party moved to end slavery. Can you say the same for the Democratic Party? No.

It is fact that Democratic ideology mirrors socialism, in that they desire to have everyone living on the same level regardless of productivity or input to society.

As a matter of fact, I'm done explaining the incorrectness of your post, as most on here are smart enough to see right through it, and that you are upset that you are loyal to a racist, socialist party.

It is FACT that most section 8 vouchers pay for up to $160,000.000 worth of housing. These tenets usually are receiving food stamps, the welfare check, free childcare, etc. So how is it that you want to pretend that his cannot happen??



You completely ignored my points and didn't address the ACTUAL meat of them. Good job!



posted on May, 15 2013 @ 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by Tw0Sides
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Its easy to say why you don't like a certain Party (Dem).

So tell me, What wonderous things will the GOP do for a "black woman".



So glad you asked!!

For starters, the Repubican Party, Abraham Lincoln in particular, signed and enacted the Emancipation Proclamation, which freed all slaves! (Can you beleive it??)

Next, blacks were given the righ to vote, gained positions in Congress, and during Reconstruction blacks were given grants to set up schools to become lawyers, doctors, teachers, etc.

Also, after the Democratic Party founded and funded the Ku Klux Klan to terrorize freed blacks and any whites voting Republican, the Republican Party banned this terror group and enacted the Civil Rights of 1875, which also ended Jim Crow.

Next, Republicans, such as Dr. Martin Luther King helped intiate the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which ended segregation and integrated the public school system.

In modern times, the Republican Party has been the party to curb the use of the Welfare System in hopes to motivate those who had become dependant on govenment assistance and instead put a focus on ways to leave the welfare plantation...err....welfare system.

So indeed, this party absolutely holds my interest as a black woman.





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