Why I (a black woman) left the Democratic Party

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posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by pierregustavetoutant

I don't identify with the establishment Republicans any more than I do the Dems, but at least a faction of the Republican party has more or less "rebelled" and is becoming a force that is demanding fiscal common sense and personal responsibility.


Do you actually believe that? Can you name who these Republicans are who are demanding fiscal common sense and personal responsibility? Ten bucks says they voted for NDAA and SOPA, the Patriot Acts, etc.




posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 06:34 PM
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Originally posted by CB328
I'm sorry, but this sounds like complete and utter BS propaganda, probably from that military propaganda unit that's supposedly posting in these forums.

This reminds me of that post I see every 6 months about how Jewish people only vote for Democrats because they feel guilty about having more money than black people.

I think this woman is a ficticious character to compete with Obama's Julia, don't be duped people. A vote for the Republicans is a vote to end freedom and instill aristocracy.
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Tell us all how the Republican vote will end freedom. Seems strange that the republican party was the only party to guarantee freedom through the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments. Now do tell, what did the democratic party do toward this progression?

And do tell what the Democratic party toward the ending of racial hostility, say...ending segregation? Oh I know! They fought very hard against it, and came to the conclusion that in order to keep the n-s in line, they would have to get us out of the way- i.e. lifelong welfare programs.

I can assure you that I am no 'Julia'...I have plenty of ATS friends on for years and create threads on a wide range of topics, such as religion, aliens, and social issues. Today, I decided to create this thread because of the conversation I had with my family about the election in November, because as a family reunion, they will be traveling to the Democratic national Convention.

Address the topic and info stated in my OP, instead of trying to figure out if I am real or not...



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 06:36 PM
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The gist I'm getting from the anti-G.O.P. crowd is that Butter Cookie must be afraid and must always see herself as part of a victimized group and deny her individuality. She must accept that without the government to hold her hand, she will fail. Personal responsibility, self reliance, individual freedom, and self government are dangerous and inherently racist. Anything Republicans do is to keep poor and black people down. All the other concepts are just "code" to justify their hatred of Butter Cookie and her ilk.
What a crock.
The Dems are absolutely still the party of the enslavers as is evident of their condescending rhetoric.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 06:38 PM
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Originally posted by LDragonFire
reply to post by ButterCookie
 


So you would be comfortable in a room like this?



The video is a segment of a comedy act, which has some truth to it.

When conservatives say "keep your hands off my paycheck and get a job", aren't they viewed as racists?

Your video only supported my point so thanks



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by pierregustavetoutant
The gist I'm getting from the anti-G.O.P. crowd is that Butter Cookie must be afraid and must always see herself as part of a victimized group and deny her individuality. She must accept that without the government to hold her hand, she will fail. Personal responsibility, self reliance, individual freedom, and self government are dangerous and inherently racist. Anything Republicans do is to keep poor and black people down. All the other concepts are just "code" to justify their hatred of Butter Cookie and her ilk.


Can you cite which responses in this thread have given you that impression?

Because most of the responses I see are just pointing out the Dems are just as bad as the Reps.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 06:43 PM
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OP, I really commend you for standing strong for what you believe, and being aware of the moochers out there who only want to game the system.

Welfare and other "helping hand" type programs should be for people like the OP, who needed help while she went to college. Yet, such programs FAILED her, when she was the PERFECT example of who these programs SHOULD help.

Her "friend" (do you still consider her a friend? Personally I wouldn't associate with someone like that) on the other hand, is an awful person. She takes advantage of the system, seems to think she is better than everyone else and doesn't need to work to support herself, because the government (meaning, other working people) will support her laziness.

Government assistance shouldn't afford you the kind of life your friend is living. Hard work and responsible finances should. You aren't supposed to be living " high on the hog" off other people's money. That's beyond shameful and disgusting.

I think people receiving government assistance should have checkups, where someone comes out and looks and their living arrangements, and looks at their property. If someone has a bunch of expensive clothes, nice cars, and fancy electronics, they should be CUT OFF because it's obvious they don't need any help with their finances if they can afford a bunch of expensive goods.

Anyway, like I said, good for you OP. I'm glad you recognize the hypocrisy of it all. I wish you good luck in your future, and I hope you can live a life even better and more comfortable than your friend's, and you'll appreciate it more because you got there with hard work, not from a hand out.
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posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 06:45 PM
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Originally posted by pierregustavetoutant
The gist I'm getting from the anti-G.O.P. crowd is that Butter Cookie must be afraid and must always see herself as part of a victimized group and deny her individuality. She must accept that without the government to hold her hand, she will fail. Personal responsibility, self reliance, individual freedom, and self government are dangerous and inherently racist. Anything Republicans do is to keep poor and black people down. All the other concepts are just "code" to justify their hatred of Butter Cookie and her ilk.
What a crock.
The Dems are absolutely still the party of the enslavers as is evident of their condescending rhetoric.


Thank you!!

I got that feeling too, that some people may find it hard to accept that a "n-r has left the plantation" and is no longer loyal to the party of enslavement.

The Republican party, from the 1800's til today, has always been about personal responsibility. They are not against welfare; they are against welfare FOREVER. They despise the cradle to grave dependency on government...

I look at my family and see the cycle of poverty perpetuated....welfare is repeated from generation to generation, with no sight of escape. I see the "don't fly too high" mentality that,sadly to say, most blacks have, especially when certain members seek education to escape poverty. They repeat how "any job is better than no job", and therefore get locked into the low-skilled labor, even though this will require food stamps, section 8, welfare checks, etc.

Thanks for supporting my position



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 06:45 PM
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Can you provide links?

Inge Marler, Arkansas Tea Party Leader Resigns after Racist Joke

ATS Thread

Oh and it was not a comedy act it was a political rally.
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posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by pierregustavetoutant

I don't identify with the establishment Republicans any more than I do the Dems, but at least a faction of the Republican party has more or less "rebelled" and is becoming a force that is demanding fiscal common sense and personal responsibility.


Do you actually believe that? Can you name who these Republicans are who are demanding fiscal common sense and personal responsibility? Ten bucks says they voted for NDAA and SOPA, the Patriot Acts, etc.


Yes, I believe it because it is very evident. While I am talking more of a growing grass roots movement, there are certainly some who have been elected that have followed through. Many haven't.

The most obvious example is Congressman Paul. But there are others.

Representative Jeff Landry of Louisiana - introduced legislation to reverse the new abuses of the NDAA. The Dems attacked his proposal as, you guessed it, "racist" against Hispanics because his focus was on citizen rights and didn't apply to illegals.

Rand Paul is an open adversary of the Federal Reserve and has voted against the legislation you mention.

There are several others.

The movement within the party is a very real thing and whether they like it or not, the politicians must acknowledge it. And they are doing so. It is the personal responsibility (imagine that) of the citizens to hold their elected officials to their word.

Do I think the Republican Party establishment will bow to the movement? Absolutely not. They will pretend to, but will avoid doing so at all costs. Again, it is the citizens' responsibility to ensure it sticks.

Time for citizens to stop embracing weakness, victimhood, and admit that what has happened is the sole responsibility of the citizens and it is up to the citizens to take it back. The Democratic party could never, ever embrace this concept because it completely relies on blaming others and of doing anything and everything to avoid responsibility. The Republicans suck but the Democrats are just plain pathetic and laughable.

A party that embraces weakness and victimization while demonizing success and individuality is a sickness. A pathetic joke of an ideology and an establishment.
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posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 06:50 PM
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Thank you!!

No, me and that friend haven't talked in years. I was so hurt over learning about the social programs that I did not 'qualify' for, even though I had just gave our country 8 loyal years and was in college as an honors student...

Rewards are given to the unproductive and irresponsible. They are not told to stop reproducing while on welfare or to seek higher education. Instead, the more children you have, the bigger your section 8 voucher.

I would like to know if anyone else has any experience with DHS terminating assistance while they were actually bettering themselves.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 06:51 PM
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Originally posted by LDragonFire
reply to post by ButterCookie
 


Can you provide links?

Inge Marler, Arkansas Tea Party Leader Resigns after Racist Joke

ATS Thread


Links to what?

Again, this was a joke but it is not all that far-fetched, sadly.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 06:51 PM
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Tell us all how the Republican vote will end freedom


Have you not listened to any republican talking this year? Abortion will be illegal, birth control in many states will be illegal, companies will be allowed to pay women only 2/3 of what men get paid, insurance companies will be allowed to drop peoples' medical coverage again for dubious prexisting conditions, taking away peoples' voting rights.

Then when you factor in how many people will be bankrupted by eliminating social security, medicare, medicaid, and unemployment it will end freedom for tens of millions who will be bankrupted. But you'll have liberty to waste gas and destroy nature, if you can afford it.
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posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 06:55 PM
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I hate to do this, because you provide an interesting perspective, but the party you support is irrelevant.


Therefore, I see your hand and raise you this one:






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posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 06:56 PM
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reply to post by pierregustavetoutant
 

That's great that you could name TWO people in the GOP who havent totally sold out.That only leaves another few hundred who approve of the very policies you claim to oppose.

It's sad you think someone critical of the GOP automatically makes them a Democrat.

But, I'm used to that sort of thing on ATS.

Intelligent people dont vote party line.
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posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by CB328


Have you not listened to any republican talking this year? Abortion will be illegal, birth control in many states will be illegal, companies will be allowed to pay women only 2/3 of what men get paid, insurance companies will be allowed to drop peoples' medical coverage again for dubious prexisting conditions.

Then when you factor in how many people will be bankrupted by eliminating social security, medicare, medicaid, and unemployment it will end freedom for tens of millions who will be bankrupted. But you'll have liberty to waste gas and destroy nature, if you can afford it.


What? Where are you hearing that any of the above will be illegal? Republican agenda does not want taxes dollars to be used to PAY for abortions and birth control. No where do they say it will be illegal. Oh, and by "pay women 2/3 of what men get paid", you are referring to the current administration, no? Because that is where this happens.

I've yet to see where Republicans are asking for women to be paid 2/3. (LOL - all part of the libs "war on women" campaign. It's sad really, that the dems don't have an administration with a track record to run on. They have to continually make up 'wars' and false claims to get their guy re-elected. They think we are stupid, and sadly many are proving them correct)



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by ButterCookie
reply to post by James1982
 


Thank you!!

No, me and that friend haven't talked in years. I was so hurt over learning about the social programs that I did not 'qualify' for, even though I had just gave our country 8 loyal years and was in college as an honors student...


So the truth comes out, you were hurt you didn't qualify, so you resented a system that is in place for the poor and now you claim to be a republican...lol ok I understand now.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by CB328



Tell us all how the Republican vote will end freedom


Have you not listened to any republican talking this year? Abortion will be illegal, birth control in many states will be illegal, companies will be allowed to pay women only 2/3 of what men get paid, insurance companies will be allowed to drop peoples' medical coverage again for dubious prexisting conditions.

Then when you factor in how many people will be bankrupted by eliminating social security, medicare, medicaid, and unemployment it will end freedom for tens of millions who will be bankrupted. But you'll have liberty to waste gas and destroy nature, if you can afford it.


Hmmm....actually, sounds more like personal responsibility.

See, I am for abortion. Although this is in contrast to conservative thinking, I see somewhat of a point to it.

For example, for the time you are on welfare, you should not reproduce. Conservatives are saying, "don't kill the baby just because you were not prepared- just don't get pregnant in the 1st place if you are not prepared."

I see how that promotes reproductive responsibility.

And as far as public healthcare will go....don't even get me started. If you think you sitting in the waiting room for your doctor for 20 mins is bad, wait till 300 million citizens get on the same plan.....

You might wait 2 weeks to see a doctor, and the care will not have the same quality.

But back on topic; I prefer capitalism over socialism any day.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by pierregustavetoutant

Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by pierregustavetoutant

I don't identify with the establishment Republicans any more than I do the Dems, but at least a faction of the Republican party has more or less "rebelled" and is becoming a force that is demanding fiscal common sense and personal responsibility.


Do you actually believe that? Can you name who these Republicans are who are demanding fiscal common sense and personal responsibility? Ten bucks says they voted for NDAA and SOPA, the Patriot Acts, etc.


Yes, I believe it because it is very evident. While I am talking more of a growing grass roots movement, there are certainly some who have been elected that have followed through. Many haven't.

The most obvious example is Congressman Paul. But there are others.

Representative Jeff Landry of Louisiana - introduced legislation to reverse the new abuses of the NDAA. The Dems attacked his proposal as, you guessed it, "racist" against Hispanics because his focus was on citizen rights and didn't apply to illegals.


Ah, yes, like those attacks from FELLOW REPUBLICANS like congressman tim griffin.

dailycaller.com...

www.newworldorderreport.com... ut-due-process.aspx

Your partisan blinders apparently only find fault in one party.

I'm smart. I find them with both parties.


Rand Paul is an open adversary of the Federal Reserve and has voted against the legislation you mention.


Ah, yes, Rand "Romney" Paul. Great choice.



The movement within the party is a very real thing and whether they like it or not, the politicians must acknowledge it. And they are doing so. It is the personal responsibility (imagine that) of the citizens to hold their elected officials to their word.


Oh, bullcaca. The VAST majority of the 'tea party caucus' have voted for the Patriot Act, NDAA, and SOPA.

Do I think the Republican Party establishment will bow to the movement? Absolutely not. They will pretend to, but will avoid doing so at all costs. Again, it is the citizens' responsibility to ensure it sticks.


The Democratic party could never, ever embrace this concept because it completely relies on blaming others and of doing anything and everything to avoid responsibility. The Republicans suck but the Democrats are just plain pathetic and laughable.

A party that embraces weakness and victimization while demonizing success and individuality is a sickness. A pathetic joke of an ideology and an establishment.
edit on 16-6-2012 by pierregustavetoutant because: sp


Nothing I have stated here is in support of the Democratic Party. So I have no idea why you think attacking them Dems makes your case stronger. (actually, I DO have an idea why...)
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posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7
reply to post by pierregustavetoutant
 

That's great that you could name TWO people in the GOP who havent totally sold out.That only leaves another few hundred who approve of the very policies you claim to oppose.

It's sad you think someone critical of the GOP automatically makes them a Democrat.

But, I'm used to that sort of thing on ATS.

Intelligent people dont vote party line.
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You probably see it a lot in your own posts, like here:




But if you want to wallow in the GOP talking points why they and Obama collude to mob the # out of most of the middle east without congressional authority, that's certainly your prerogative.


Do as you say, and not as you do?



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 07:04 PM
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Pointing out the fallacy of a GOP talking point doesnt make me a Democrat..

But your constant insistence that it does belies a lot about you.

I see you do that A LOT>

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