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Which would you choose, unconditional love or unconditional freedom
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With unconditional love, you will get it but you would have to give it.
No eating meat, you would have to care for the animals.
No smoking, you would have to care about your body and the earth
No rudeness, you would have to care about other people's feelings
No revenge or justice, you must always forgive no matter how many times people do evil to you
You must be selfless, always seeking to give to others and unconcerned about receiving
With unconditional freedom, you will get it without rules.
You can take away another's freewill and control them and even make them slaves
You can take and never give if you choose
There will be no punishment for rape, murder, and theft (unless a person choose to take away their freedom)
Which would you choose?
No eating meat, you would have to care for the animals.
No smoking, you would have to care about your body and the earth
No rudeness, you would have to care about other people's feelings
No revenge or justice, you must always forgive no matter how many times people do evil to you
You must be selfless, always seeking to give to others and unconcerned about receiving
With unconditional freedom, you will get it without rules.
You can take away another's freewill and control them and even make them slaves
You can take and never give if you choose
There will be no punishment for rape, murder, and theft (unless a person choose to take away their freedom)
Which would you choose?
love...love brings freedom with it
edit on 1-6-2012 by SkullAndBeats235 because: (no reason given)
pffft.
Freedom!
You can then woo the opposite sex to make sammiches for you.
Mind you, it would only be good for me to take the freedom, first in best dressed. BOW MY SUBJECTS! I command you all to love me, as I am the Freeman!
Freedom!
You can then woo the opposite sex to make sammiches for you.
Mind you, it would only be good for me to take the freedom, first in best dressed. BOW MY SUBJECTS! I command you all to love me, as I am the Freeman!
edit on 1-6-2012 by Qumulys because: (no reason given)
reply to post by arpgme
Unconditional means without condition, without a human concept or idea placed upon the pureness of life as it occurs. Unconditional freedom is unconditional love because 'unconditioned' is divinity itself. Unconditioned means without 'you' putting expectation on life and circumstances.
Unconditional means without condition, without a human concept or idea placed upon the pureness of life as it occurs. Unconditional freedom is unconditional love because 'unconditioned' is divinity itself. Unconditioned means without 'you' putting expectation on life and circumstances.
edit on 1-6-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by SkullAndBeats235
love...love brings freedom with itedit on 1-6-2012 by SkullAndBeats235 because: (no reason given)
Nope, if you choose the unconditional love, you can not have freedom , you have to serve others in love.
Originally posted by Qumulys
pffft.
Freedom!
You can then woo the opposite sex to make sammiches for you.
Mind you, it would only be good for me to take the freedom, first in best dressed. BOW MY SUBJECTS! I command you all to love me, as I am the Freeman!
edit on 1-6-2012 by Qumulys because: (no reason given)
Nope, if you choose love, you have to serve and never take. So no forcing anyone to make you sandwhiches, YOU would be making the sandwhiches for others.
Unless of course, you choose freedom and FORCE people to act like they love you.
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by arpgme
Unconditional means without condition, without a human concept or idea placed upon the pureness of life as it occurs. Unconditional freedom is unconditional love because 'unconditioned' is divinity itself. Unconditioned means without 'you' putting expectation on life and circumstances.edit on 1-6-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)
You are changing the question. it's called a HYPOTHETICAL. I'm aware that this is not reailty.
reply to post by Itisnowagain
Don't confuse me... I stole the freedom's!
Guards, behead this fool!
(meanwhile, with my uber cool freedom, I've just commission Boncho to come up with funny T-Shirt designs for me, and have Phage locked in a lab to create the chemical reaction of your so called "love" which I can inject whenever I feel the need.)
Also, stop interrupting me, I'm trying to work out how to connect up my 20,000 watt amp to my 10 meter LCD Screen.
Don't confuse me... I stole the freedom's!
Guards, behead this fool!
(meanwhile, with my uber cool freedom, I've just commission Boncho to come up with funny T-Shirt designs for me, and have Phage locked in a lab to create the chemical reaction of your so called "love" which I can inject whenever I feel the need.)
Also, stop interrupting me, I'm trying to work out how to connect up my 20,000 watt amp to my 10 meter LCD Screen.
reply to post by arpgme
Animals kill each other all the time. Love has nothing to do with it, it's simply survival. One can love animals and still understand the circle of nature. Smoking has nothing to do with love, except loving ones own body... and that would not be true love, unless you're weird like that. The rest of those points I can't really argue with... but I must point out that if everyone was selfless and nice to each other that would result in the ultimate type of freedom.
These are all wrong. The moment you start letting anyone do anything to each other the most evil people and the most evil corporations will screw us all over harder than you can even imagine... resulting in the ultimate type of imprisonment. Unconditional freedom would assume you cannot interfere with the freedoms of another person... therefore you could not murder or rape others lest you interfere with their unconditional freedom. It's contradictory.
With unconditional love, you will get it but you would have to give it.
No eating meat, you would have to care for the animals.
No smoking, you would have to care about your body and the earth
No rudeness, you would have to care about other people's feelings
No revenge or justice, you must always forgive no matter how many times people do evil to you
You must be selfless, always seeking to give to others and unconcerned about receiving
Animals kill each other all the time. Love has nothing to do with it, it's simply survival. One can love animals and still understand the circle of nature. Smoking has nothing to do with love, except loving ones own body... and that would not be true love, unless you're weird like that. The rest of those points I can't really argue with... but I must point out that if everyone was selfless and nice to each other that would result in the ultimate type of freedom.
With unconditional freedom, you will get it without rules.
You can take away another's freewill and control them and even make them slaves
You can take and never give if you choose
There will be no punishment for rape, murder, and theft (unless a person choose to take away their freedom
These are all wrong. The moment you start letting anyone do anything to each other the most evil people and the most evil corporations will screw us all over harder than you can even imagine... resulting in the ultimate type of imprisonment. Unconditional freedom would assume you cannot interfere with the freedoms of another person... therefore you could not murder or rape others lest you interfere with their unconditional freedom. It's contradictory.
edit on 1-6-2012 by ChaoticOrder because: (no reason given)
reply to post by arpgme
What do you mean when you say that you are aware that this is not reailty, in answer to what i wrote?
What do you mean when you say that you are aware that this is not reailty, in answer to what i wrote?
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by arpgme
What do you mean when you say that you are aware that this is not reailty, in answer to what i wrote?
Yes. I'm not talking about reality and the true nature of divine. I am just creating a hypothetical question about "love" (care) and "freedom" (ability)
reply to post by ChaoticOrder
It's called a hypothetical situation...
reply to post by ChaoticOrder
You're far to smart. Luckily, I took the freedom first and forbid from anyone else. Unless you want to be locked in the lab with Phage to work on my "love therapy" I shall have to have you beheaded as well, or you can take the Black on the wall.
And yes OP, since I have ultimate freewill, I shall become all powerful, oh by the way, anyone plays Beiber again, I'll have their heads on a pike too.
(Its true, power does corrupt... I should have known this, cause any time I use a cheat code in game, I lose interest after 10 minutes)
You're far to smart. Luckily, I took the freedom first and forbid from anyone else. Unless you want to be locked in the lab with Phage to work on my "love therapy" I shall have to have you beheaded as well, or you can take the Black on the wall.
And yes OP, since I have ultimate freewill, I shall become all powerful, oh by the way, anyone plays Beiber again, I'll have their heads on a pike too.
(Its true, power does corrupt... I should have known this, cause any time I use a cheat code in game, I lose interest after 10 minutes)
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on 1-6-2012 by Qumulys because: (no reason given)
reply to post by arpgme
So you are not looking for truth.
You require hypothetical answers not truth??
So you are not looking for truth.
You require hypothetical answers not truth??
Which would you choose, unconditional love or unconditional freedom
aren't they both states of mind and the only choice here is all in the way you perceive that state of being to be.
in other-words freedom and love are created by how you view the world and the yardstick that you yourself have created to measure the amount of love and freedom that is experienced in your life
knowing you have enough .... is the key to this state of being
and choice in degrees and depth..... is all in the way you look at the worlds reflection
aren't they both states of mind and the only choice here is all in the way you perceive that state of being to be.
in other-words freedom and love are created by how you view the world and the yardstick that you yourself have created to measure the amount of love and freedom that is experienced in your life
knowing you have enough .... is the key to this state of being
and choice in degrees and depth..... is all in the way you look at the worlds reflection
Originally posted by Qumulys
reply to post by ChaoticOrder
And yes OP, since I have ultimate freewill, I shall become all powerful, oh by the way, anyone plays Beiber again, I'll have their heads on a pike too.
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by arpgme
So you are not looking for truth.
You require hypothetical answers not truth??
Yes, I am looking for hypothetical answers for this hypothetical question.
Originally posted by xsheep
Which would you choose, unconditional love or unconditional freedom
aren't they both states of mind and the only choice here is all in the way you perceive that state of being to be.
Nice, but in this hypothetical situation, it will affect the way you live. Look at the original post.
reply to post by arpgme
Well i am sorry for pointing to the truth.
Maybe you should have written in your OP that you don't want any truth here.
Do not embrace the truth.
Well i am sorry for pointing to the truth.
Maybe you should have written in your OP that you don't want any truth here.
Do not embrace the truth.
edit on 1-6-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by arpgme
With unconditional love, you will get it but you would have to give it.
No eating meat, you would have to care for the animals.
No smoking, you would have to care about your body and the earth
No rudeness, you would have to care about other people's feelings
No revenge or justice, you must always forgive no matter how many times people do evil to you
You must be selfless, always seeking to give to others and unconcerned about receiving
With unconditional freedom, you will get it without rules.
You can take away another's freewill and control them and even make them slaves
You can take and never give if you choose
There will be no punishment for rape, murder, and theft (unless a person choose to take away their freedom)
Which would you choose?
It isn't 'unconditional' love or freedom, if there are conditions attached.
You could argue what you've written aren't conditions but consequences..but that's very vague.
I'd pick neither...I'd choose Choice.
Rosha
reply to post by Itisnowagain
The definition of ignorance is 'the lack of knowledge or education'.
I am not denying stupidity (lack of knowledge - ignorance), I am simply asking a hypothetical quesition. I don't have to be stupid to ask a hypothetical that doe not relate to reality. Maybe I am asking this question to see how others think.
The definition of ignorance is 'the lack of knowledge or education'.
I am not denying stupidity (lack of knowledge - ignorance), I am simply asking a hypothetical quesition. I don't have to be stupid to ask a hypothetical that doe not relate to reality. Maybe I am asking this question to see how others think.
edit on 1-6-2012 by arpgme because: (no
reason given)
Originally posted by arpgme
With unconditional love, you will get it but you would have to give it.
No eating meat, you would have to care for the animals.
No smoking, you would have to care about your body and the earth
No rudeness, you would have to care about other people's feelings
No revenge or justice, you must always forgive no matter how many times people do evil to you
You must be selfless, always seeking to give to others and unconcerned about receiving
With unconditional freedom, you will get it without rules.
You can take away another's freewill and control them and even make them slaves
You can take and never give if you choose
There will be no punishment for rape, murder, and theft (unless a person choose to take away their freedom)
Which would you choose?
This is the yardstick I am talking about
freedom has no set of rules and love is simply a state of being
This thread is 'conditional' so don't expect to be welcomed or loved.
Originally posted by Rosha
It isn't 'unconditional' love or freedom, if there are conditions attached.
You could argue what you've written aren't conditions but consequences..but that's very vague.
I'd pick neither...I'd choose Choice.
Rosha
Ok, you just point out my logical failure.
So it isn't unconditional, but which would you choose under those conditions?