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You have just made the biggest argument for why welfare is needed.
So what happens when there is no public work to be done? The answer is welfare. Old world charity just couldn't cut it so something else replaced it.
You think going back would be better but you didn't live in those times so you're really not in a position to say if it was better or not.
You are just going off of your romantic ideal of what it was like. Funny thing is that old timers are always saying how much easier the younger generations have it. I think I'll take their version since they actually lived it.
Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
At lest he is trying a little bit, which is MORE than what bush and cheney tried!
The economy was much better before Obama showed up. But you’re partially correct; Obama has GIVEN more than Bush.
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
I think both capital hill and the white house should spend more time playing golf and hosting parties then thinking, because obviously they have a very low iq and usually create many more problems than what they attempt to fix.
You may be onto something here!
Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Jordan River
When you get starred and flagged on ATS that is charity because no one forces anyone to give them to you, while one might think they earned, others think they are given out because they deserve them. and some think they are owed more than what they provide.edit on 29-5-2012 by neo96 because: (no reason given)
So funny...watching Judge Judy...telling a girl (who has a kid) get a job!!! don't ask people for money or expect people to support you! Get a job!! Gotta love her.
Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by daskakik
Sorry,but no as technology and population increases jobs decrease to the point there is no one left to tax,because there are no jobs to be taxed.
The government will continue to print fiat currency to payout all the mouths that will eventually kill charity,which some already want to do, after all government does not like competition, and anyone that doesn't need them.
Yeah i have,
What is romantic is the notion that welfare works, and it clearly doesn't
as to the younger generation they have no clue how well they do have it now.None whatsoever.
You tax the companies. You tax whoever is still making money from the use of the countries resources.
Actually I was speaking in the past tense because it was what happened to bring the present implementation of welfare into being.
You lived in the US before the great depression?
Except for the examples around the world where it has, that you choose to ignore.
Now you're just flip flopping.
You have just made the biggest argument for why welfare is needed.
Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by daskakik
You have just made the biggest argument for why welfare is needed.
Sorry,but no as technology and population increases jobs decrease to the point there is no one left to tax,because there are no jobs to be taxed.
Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by daskakik
Making one huge assumption that there will be any companies left in this country.
What brought welfare in to existence is failed social engineering.
Did i say I did? I grew up in the 70s when things were cheaper real life experience.
Oh like Ireland, and Europe and Greece ?
Stating a fact
Isn't that why we need to stop automation though?
re you willing to just sit there and let corporations dictate from A to Z?
It is kind of sickening people are forced to have a vain outlook of life because government is A SHILL of business....but nornally(if not ALWAYS) that is exactly what happens.
And you're assuming there won't. I think it is more than likely that there will be. Stop being silly.
Sure, which still ended up in a lack of public jobs.
But not in a time when there was no welfare so you still have no first hand experience.
No like the ones that are doing it right. You said it yourself in a previous post that you don't intend to look beyond the us borders so you must be pointing out other failures because it suits your argument. How very neo.
But you just posted that things in the 70 were better so how can the younger generations have it better if things were better in the 70`s? That is called flip flopping.
Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by daskakik
You tax the companies. You tax whoever is still making money from the use of the countries resources.
Making one huge assumption that there will be any companies left in this country.
Actually I was speaking in the past tense because it was what happened to bring the present implementation of welfare into being.
What brought welfare in to existence is failed social engineering.
There will still be plenty of companies left after this great planned consolidation of power, money and influence.
What about reaganomics and thatcherism? Deregulate everything and leveraged buyouts? Then clinton rejected the glass-steagel act? Seems like multiple counts of stupidity from everyone that ultimately lead to everyone collecting dimes from the chinese creditors.
Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by daskakik
You have just made the biggest argument for why welfare is needed.
Indeed. Technological progress bringing increased automatisation and growing productivity means that there will be less and less jobs available. But at the same time, those less people working would produce more than enough for all.
Ultimately, there is no way how to deal with this trend other than redistribution.
Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by daskakik
Fine let's run with that since someone is so Omniscient.
How bout less social engineering might create more jobs and less people on those programs, we all know more government has not been the answer,
And do you have first hand experience to say otherwise?
Personal snip aside there is no one in Europe or anywhere "doing it right".
A car,and a home and everything else during the 70's were a hell of a lot cheaper, look up how much a car or home cost back then compared to now.
The younger generation has no worries there is always someone else to pay their bills unlike the previous generations who came before.
Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
Can you feel the wind as everything you say zooms over their collective heads?
They will keep stomping their feet and keep sticking their fingers in their ears because that is how they want it....they want the government nanny state, so they will not hear anything any of us say...just like a six year old.