The US Military Wants To 'Microchip' Troops

Originally posted by zorgon

So was that a hoax or a sign of things to come

A hoax. The funny thing was how many people tried to buy one.

reply to post by Another10Pin

Now, you see, this kind of makes sense.

Kind of make sense is a little weak.

There was a simple question that was asked. There was a simple answer given in response. So far, this is making sense to me.

You were also asked a simple question. Why would it be necessary to embed a "chip?"

This is the crux of what forms a lawful order. Orders cannot be given on mere whims.

Now, you do see the predicament here, don't you? No? You don't?

My apologies. I got a little too carried away in ensuring complete devastation of collateral assets.

Would you care to address the time-on-target barrage at your location?

Lessee...so far - parts of this nature are not "nano sized", what they were talking about were nanoparticles being used in the chemosensor components of the chip. So it's not like the entire thing is microscopic.

Next, like so many of these sorts of devices, it doesn't really transmit radio signals. What they're after is something you can put a diagnostic wand on and read your chem labs in real time. The part doesn't have its own power, and even when it's in use, it isn't "transmitting" per se.

Why do you have to put it inside you, well, it's pretty friggin' tough to read someone's blood chemistry from outside.

As an sort of sidebar, we did work on an RFID system that was pitched as an adjunct to something like Alliant's MATRIX/Spider landmine system. If you had a key on you, you could run through the minefield with impunity. Whoever was following you...wasn't as lucky. Now THAT's a reasonable use of RFID on the battlefield.

reply to post by Aim64C


It isn't that the devices are the threat to the free world, it is that they are a threat to the free world.

The sensor is relaying data about the the inner workings of your body to a remote location. Knowledge is power, and this gives intimate knowledge of your physical (and correspondingly mental) health to people who will use it for THEIR purposes and not necessarily yours. Even though a great deal of spying is possible with cell phones, the internet, and other surveillance, these implantable devices have access to information (in real time) that other sources do not. When you allow a third party access to your personal information, you are giving that party power over you. You'd better hope that third party always has your best interests in mind. Just because the uses of personal information today seem to be benign does not mean that they will remain so in the future.

reply to post by Aim64C


It isn't that the devices are the threat to the free world, it is that they are a threat to the free world.

The sensor is relaying data about the the inner workings of your body to a remote location. Knowledge is power, and this gives intimate knowledge of your physical (and correspondingly mental) health to people who will use it for THEIR purposes and not necessarily yours. Even though a great deal of spying is possible with cell phones, the internet, and other surveillance, these implantable devices have access to information (in real time) that other sources do not. When you allow a third party access to your personal information, you are giving that party power over you. You'd better hope that third party always has your best interests in mind. Just because the uses of personal information today seem to be benign does not mean that they will remain so in the future.

Edit: Double post. Mods delete one I guess.

Originally posted by Bedlam


As an sort of sidebar, we did work on an RFID system that was pitched as an adjunct to something like Alliant's MATRIX/Spider landmine system. If you had a key on you, you could run through the minefield with impunity. Whoever was following you...wasn't as lucky. Now THAT's a reasonable use of RFID on the battlefield.

The enemy scans your body to locate the chip, slices the chip from you cold stiff corpse and runs through your mine field with gay abandon creating more and more lifeless bodies all because some dick wanted to get rich on a really stupid tech. But hay, you know, the guy was well connected and he made a real killing on the Tech. Long live the American dream!

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Originally posted by Aim64C
reply to post by Another10Pin

 

I had removed the post, but apparently not before you read it. So I will respond.

Kind of make sense is a little weak.

No. It isn't. It is very clear, and you know it.

You were also asked a simple question. Why would it be necessary to embed a "chip?"

Yes, you asked me a simple question, and due to the nature of your post, I did not feel the need to respond to it.

This is the crux of what forms a lawful order. Orders cannot be given on mere whims.

I must admit to some confusion regarding your statement. I have been in the military, in two seperate branches on two seperate occasions, with many years between each contract. The first time I served, maybe before you were born, one would NEVER question an order given by a superior officer. However, during my last contract, with a different branch of the service and a generation of seperation, I was rather amazed at the changes in protocol. So, I do not think I can properly respond to your statement.

My apologies. I got a little too carried away in ensuring complete devastation of collateral assets.

My apologies as well. I did not want to sound like that, which is why I returned to remove the post.

Would you care to address the time-on-target barrage at your location?

What location would that be?

I felt that you had responded to my post without any consideration as to whom I was replying and as to what my reply was regarding. Which, I think you did. However, my response was no better than your response, which again, is why I edited it and removed it from the thread. I have no desire to debate with you, but would be willing to answer your questions if you asked them with tact and if your responses were courteous. Otherwise, I would think this concludes our conversation.

If this "wonderful" technology is sooo "useful" why not just put it into "dog tags" that a soldier wears? Why does it need to go in thier bodies? I hope soldiers will REFUSE and let the "chips" fall where they may.

No punishment could be worse than to willingly accept the "mark of the beast"

Originally posted by MountainLaurel
If this "wonderful" tecgnology is sooo "useful" why not just put it into "dog tags" that a soldier wears? Why does it need to go in thier bodies? I hope soldiers will REFUSE and let the "chips" fall where they may.

No punishment could be worse than to willingly accept the "mark of the beast"

Sure wish we could just 'refuse' but it isn't that easy. There isn't anything else we would have to sign to say that it is 'ok' for them to implant this chip. Seems like in reality they could/have just put this in with one of the many vaccines we get on a regular basis.

reply to post by SGTSECRET


Wow, I don't know what to say except I'm just so sad how "horrible" people in the military are treated....these are people brave enough to put thier lives on the line for our country, and they are tricked and "forced" into fighting these BS wars for greed, it's just so friggin awful....

Originally posted by AK907ICECOLD
reply to post by beezzer

 

Beezer, I love you!

I am so fu**** because I love cheesecake.

In Alaska I carry a Copied DL, I do not like the scanner bar on the back, most cops accept it, if your nice, which I am not, I tell most to get bent. and with a clean record I get away with using my citizen rights. As a Mason, the first thing I do when I get a new ID or DL I rub the back against the block or with my trowel, sometimes it takes a manager at any given store when they cant scan it to sell me tobacco. Piggy's(no pun intended, well, maybe...) get so frustrated, but they know where I am coming from.

Give them no reasons I say, use your rights at every moment or they will take them from you.

I am armed and dangerous if you try to control me, I support my claims 100%

edit on 7-5-2012 by AK907ICECOLD because: BTW, Star..!

Can you explain that for me please i've never heard of doing that and what benefits you get from it.And what block do you rub on it? thanks

reminds me of Metal Gear Solid.. lol

Originally posted by pheonix358

The enemy scans your body to locate the chip, slices the chip from you cold stiff corpse and runs through your mine field with gay abandon creating more and more lifeless bodies all because some dick wanted to get rich on a really stupid tech.

Of course, that's one of the first things you think of, easy enough to prevent.

Really stupid tech is something more like a Bradley.

I often wonder what soldiers discuss amongst themselves about these matters? After getting the "reguired" vaccines are they totally freaked out because they may have been "chipped"?

Originally posted by zorgon
Looking for partners for a new business....

This business is GUARANTEED to make you rich quickly


We buy a fleet of Black Vans... Install a Tesla Coil and a fancy looking scifi type chair...

Then we charge people to sit in that chair for a few minutes under the Tesla Coil producing high EMP. It is harmless to humans for a short exposure, but will fry that chip

I suggest the employees wear MIB style suits with the glasses and hats ... for effect

So any takers to get in on the ground floor? Shouldn't take much investment to start the first van... then we can franchise after that

Smile.

Yes, I can dig it. Great idea. I especially like the MIB look you discribe.
This would be very nice franchise to start. I sugget starting two different
companies (Red and Blue) and then have the two factions competing
against each other--(like Coke vs Pepsi) that way you would own the
market. Everyone would have an opinion as to which is better (Red
or Blue) and that way you would dominate the market. No one else
would step in and take your market share.

Count me in. One group could appeal to Right Wing types and the
other would appeal to the Left Wing types, or one would have a
high fees and other have a low fee, but each would pay a equal
percentage of their income to the parent company. Those funds
go two places: 1) the advertising pool (say 10%) goes to a top
marketing firm to run the TV ads, (to say that Blue is better than
the Reds, and visa versa), then: 2) an another percent (say 10%)
of the income would go to the investors who hold stock in both
companies (and the parent company, and the marketing firm).

Draw it up, let's do it.

As part of the francise fee you get a motor home in which to
live and out of which to run the business. People who have
lost their home would jump at this chance to live rent free.
And the motor home company who can't sell their vehicles
in the down economy might even beome investors.

Originally posted by ProudBird
How many times has a soldier been out in the field, and lost, and needing rescue? Any sort of ability to locate that person would seem to be a very, very good idea.

And what stops the enemy from hacking the system and locating those lost soldiers?

Originally posted by wasaka
Draw it up, let's do it.

Convenient Your already in Vegas

What can a soldier do to prevent this sort of "treatment"? Will he face charges? How much are soldiers subdued to any ordered medication and treatment? Can they say no without facing charges? Could anyone please elaborate on that?

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by wasaka
Draw it up, let's do it.

Convenient

Your already in Vegas

Yes, the capital city of our Capitalist/Casino culture
a great place to get started. In my minds eye, I can
see the fleet of vans driving up and down the Strip
inviting drunk tourist to step in for an EMP bath.
They might event get free tickets to a show!

But are they nano to hide the chip from captors, or are they nano so they become impossible to remove after retirement for example by a 'civilian' doctor. Perhaps once installed the contract might state its in indefinitely.

( What MIGHT happen )

They create a new design, smaller and more efficient, but unfortunately are unable to create a law that allows them to administer its insertion the population. So they effectively infect everybody with a life threatening disease, then miraculously create a cure, with a nano 'we own you now chip' awaiting your body in every injection device. Now they have the ability to track those who have the chip, distinguish those who don't, and can systematically take care of that freedom issue these without have.

Peace.