Explain to me how Homosexuals are "born that way".

Originally posted by lucid eyes

Originally posted by Salamandy
there are gays on both teams.

Id never imply any different. My post has nothing to do with that. The mentality "Its not my choice" is a fundamentally left-wing/liberal mentality. There are actually some homosexuals who readily admit "I chose homosexuality". Thats not to say there is not some genes/nature involve at all, there probably is. But the liberal/left-wing mentality denies ANY sort of self-choice.

Bisexuals may choose to be soley heterosexual or homosexual in their sexuality - for whatever reason.

Homosexuals and heterosexuals have no choice. It's got nothing to do with choice. There is no choice. Choice does not exist for them in the matter. How you can politicise sexuality is beyond me.

Originally posted by Manunnaki
Food for thought. Why would anyone chose to be gay knowing that society people in society rather could potentially kill them for being gay. Make sense of that.

Is that the same for pedophiles, beastiality, rapists serial murderers, hetero cross dressers, etc...?
people do nutty things all the time that will be embarassing if it was public knowledge.
But they still do it though.

I believe that until endocrine disruptors in food, water and air contaminates are addressed the genetic arg cannot be intelligently defined.
This has been proven to be passed from mother to child, the genetic traits in dealing with these environmental poisons, and is the root cause of puberty becoming common for girls at 10 and under and little boys growing breasts.
Of course this would cause gender confusion and influence attraction.

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I find human psychology incredibly fascinating so I tend to over analyze conversations and all social interactions. Anyone that I've known that has later 'came out the closet", it didn't surprise me, because I knew the whole time. Only one of them fit the stereotype.

Originally posted by Debunkology

Originally posted by muzzleflash
What exactly tips you off, if it's not a stereotype?

What's wrong with stereotypes anyway?

All it is, is a widely held and oversimplified image or idea of a particular type of person or thing.

They are inaccurate and only sometimes statistically relevant in rare circumstances.
But most of the time they are applied totally inaccurately or illogically.

Here's an example of a stupid stereotype:
"Black people like chicken" = This is illogical because most humans like chicken! Also there are individuals in each race that do not like it, including black people who don't eat chicken. Vegetarians etc.

And some are just inaccurate or wrong:
"All Chinese people eat rice and are short" = Inaccurate as many are tall and some of them do not eat rice for whatever reason.

Stereotypes fail more often than not.
That's why specifics are better, as they are more detailed and more accurate

Originally posted by BiggerPicture
looking around in San Antonio, LA, NYC, Miami, theres LOTS of homosexuals, and i would say about 1 in 5 fellow students at college are gay, and likewise here in the city about 1 in 5 adult men are gay, but half of those are married to women, but closeted gays. Usually the homophobic gays ones who brag about how straight-acting/macho they are, and their craiglists ads "gay for play" and such, when the wife's away.

If anything deserves a WOW. It's truly that post. 1 in 5?

I don't live in America. But looks like that country is turning gay, if that's the case.

Not where I live.

Double post oops.

Originally posted by Lionhearte
If I was raised by a homosexual couple, I think the odds of me homosexual would increase dramatically.

Multiple studies have proven children of same-sex parents don't have a higher incidence later on, of homosexual sexual.

If anything, it makes sense one who is truly comfortable with their own heterosexuality, would not obsess with looking at homosexuality as the less favorable human condition.

Virtually all scientific/behavioural studies have show homosexuality is vastly more human nature, than nurture.

Sad indeed for the homophobes and religious zealots, who cry "gay agenda" in science. but, nevertheless true.

Even though the thought of 2 guys having sex is pretty gross to me (girls are ok. )

I do think people are born this way. I've grown up with a few friends that ended up being gay, and you could tell from a very young age. By the time they "came out of the closet" .. we already knew from like 6th grade.

Originally posted by manna2

Originally posted by Manunnaki
Food for thought. Why would anyone chose to be gay knowing that society people in society rather could potentially kill them for being gay. Make sense of that.

Is that the same for pedophiles, beastiality, rapists serial murderers, hetero cross dressers, etc...?

You're not describing a sexual preference, you're describing things you don't like or consider to be sexual perversions. If I'm putting words in your wouth, please correct me - but what you described is not a sexual orientation such as homosexuality or heterosexuality so please think of a new argument or I'll lump you in with people that have sex with animals too and I'll provide rationale.

Why is the gay issue such a huge topic on here ? Gays are not a treat to society , They're not aliens .. Sexuality isn't black and white. For a forum that's meant to be very open minded there's nothing but hypocrytical phycopaths on here. Being gay isn't a choice but I can see how some people think that , If you're straight you can choose to be with a person of the same sex , but you can't choose to be sexually attracted to them. You came out of the womb as a heterosexual who likes females , gays came out of the womb liking the same sex. Being gay is just as natural as being straight. Open your mind I'm sure the gay issue is not the only thing you have a deep issue with.

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You are a very confused individual.

Originally posted by BiggerPicture

Sad indeed for the homophobes and religious zealots, who cry "gay agenda" in science. but, nevertheless true.

Anyone who uses words like homophobic or homophobes, they themselves have a "gay agenda".

The word "homophobic" is such a great word. I'd like to know what "scientist" thought that one. Oh that's right... Wasn't it the homosexual George Weinberg? Who posted many of those studies YOU talk about?

And as for statistics that point at sexual experiences.
Why is it so easily accepted that if you have a sexual encounter with someone of the same sex it's defined as and attributed to genetics?
Is it not apparent that pornography, lack of father and/or strong male role models and declining morals lead to experimental sexual actions?

Nobody for one minute believes that porn, lack of fathers or strong male role models, and amoral behavior cannot be attributed to pedophilia and beastiality as well as adultery and promiscuity.
Why is it so easily accepted for homosexual behavior only? The only answer EVER in these threads of this nature is "but they/we are born that way.
Thats just too easy and betrays common sense.
Again I point out that the invasive and prolific polluting of food and water of endocrine disruptors is a BIG BIG problem and simply HAS TO play a part in this in todays world.

Originally posted by AreYouSatisfied
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You are a very confused individual.

Confused because I am aware of endocrine disruptors and have been in the health and wellness game for 30 years?
I am painfully aware you need to google what those actually are and you can come back to the adults table for an adult conversation once you get up to speed..mmmk?

Originally posted by Debunkology

Originally posted by BiggerPicture

Sad indeed for the homophobes and religious zealots, who cry "gay agenda" in science. but, nevertheless true.

Anyone who uses words like homophobic or homophobes, they themselves have a "gay agenda".

The word "homophobic" is such a great word. I'd like to know what "scientist" thought that one. Oh that's right... Wasn't it the homosexual George Weinberg? Who posted many of those studies YOU talk about?

So you think that gay people are trying to convert the straights ? The gay agenda thing makes me laugh , They don't have secret meetings , and they are not brainwashed. It's natural , I'd be more concerned by the straight agenda , of consant sexual imagery in music videos , films and advertising. The media doesn't make you gay or straight , Genetics do. If you can't work that out I think you should just delete your account and rethink your existance.

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What is a gay agenda?

Originally posted by manna2

Originally posted by AreYouSatisfied
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You are a very confused individual.

Confused because I am aware of endocrine disruptors and have been in the health and wellness game for 30 years?
I am painfully aware you need to google what those actually are and you can come back to the adults table for an adult conversation once you get up to speed..mmmk?

Life experience is more valuabe that theorys and "google".

Originally posted by manna2
And as for statistics that point at sexual experiences.
Why is it so easily accepted that if you have a sexual encounter with someone of the same sex it's defined as and attributed to genetics?
Is it not apparent that pornography, lack of father and/or strong male role models and declining morals lead to experimental sexual actions?

Nobody for one minute believes that porn, lack of fathers or strong male role models, and amoral behavior cannot be attributed to pedophilia and beastiality as well as adultery and promiscuity.
Why is it so easily accepted for homosexual behavior only? The only answer EVER in these threads of this nature is "but they/we are born that way.
Thats just too easy and betrays common sense.
Again I point out that the invasive and prolific polluting of food and water of endocrine disruptors is a BIG BIG problem and simply HAS TO play a part in this in todays world.

Homosexuality exists no more or no less today than it did 500 years ago.

There has always been homosexuality and there has always been haters.

Regarding homosexual encounters, studies report that 60%-80% of all males have had at least one homosexual encounter (may include mutual masterbation, oral, anal, etc).

To me that's shocking, but then again is consistent with my experiences of puberty and 'horny' teens - the ones who later on in life probably show their regret thru homophobic attitudes - hating on homosexuals for their own lusty romps earlier on in life and perhaps even ongoingly 'on the side' with recurrent/periodic guilt/regret as an unnatural sinful temptation in their eyes or whatever.

Originally posted by BiggerPicture

Originally posted by Lionhearte
If I was raised by a homosexual couple, I think the odds of me homosexual would increase dramatically.

Multiple studies have proven children of same-sex parents don't have a higher incidence later on, of homosexual sexual.

If anything, it makes sense one who is truly comfortable with their own heterosexuality, would not obsess with looking at homosexuality as the less favorable human condition.

Virtually all scientific/behavioural studies have show homosexuality is vastly more human nature, than nurture.

Sad indeed for the homophobes and religious zealots, who cry "gay agenda" in science. but, nevertheless true.

I beg to differ.

Seriously, use common sense. If my father was in the military, I'd be a military man. Since he was into Engineering, I'm into Engineering. Doesn't mean I WILL be, just increased odds. It's so freaking simple. If I was raised by wolves, I'd act like a wolf, most likely.