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Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by Indigo5
It would go at the end of the list...you can't re-write an amendment. The first stands. You can repeal an amendment, but that takes some heavy listing and an overwhelming majority of the public to make happen.
Do you think the "new" amendment would create a "double negative" ?
(conflicting language with the 1st)
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
and satisfying yourself that all Pelosi, et al, want to do is limit free speech to "natural born persons".
Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
I'm not sure if Pelosi or the ATS members understand that over 2/3rds of all Corporations in the United States are S-Corps. namely individual citizens that have incorporated for various reasons, such as to protect private assets, or for tax purposes. Enacting such legislation would then prohibit free speech for such INDIVIDUALS.
reply to post by Indigo5
Their ability to contribute, speak or campaign as persons remains entirely untouched.
Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by Indigo5
Their ability to contribute, speak or campaign as persons remains entirely untouched.
Believe what you wish.
reply to post by Indigo5
So I will choose to "believe" you are unable to defend the claim that anyone owning a Sub-S corporation would have thier right to "free speech" eliminated.
allow Congress to regulate political speech when it is engaged in by corporations as opposed to individuals
By granting corporations the same generous provisions of rights given to citizens, they are protected from government action to restrict them that might otherwise be popular with the voting public.
and your unsubstantiated rant
reply to post by poet1b
Considering that corporations are not owned exclusively by U.S. citizens, or controlled by U.S. citizens, they should not participate in our election process.
reply to post by xuenchen
If I didn't know better, I would say this looks like a tank job to rally the conservatives !!
Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
Pelosi wants to overturn that provision, and since an S-Corp is an individual, their right of free speech would be restricted. One cannot separate the individual from the S-Corp.
Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
I suggest you tone down your rhetoric. It certainly won't bring you any business as an S-Corp.
Originally posted by BubbaJoe
I am all for disclosure, would like to see where the money is coming from on both sides. But the Koch Brothers supported right will fight this tooth and nail. Koch Brothers motto "Give us no regulations, and we will pollute the world better than BP"
Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by ProfEmeritus
The S-Corp issue brings another question.
What about business owner(s) who file Sch C or Partnership tax returns.
And what about Trusts and Real Estate Trusts that own things and have incomes and file tax returns.
How are they affected by this new proposal ?
Many Trusts contribute to politicians.
Originally posted by xuenchen
I am beginning to think this whole "proposal" is a P.R. stunt to appease their targeted supporters and voters.
I truly am not convinced these people are genuinely interested in the concept.
reply to post by Indigo5
fundemenatal
Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by xuenchen
If I didn't know better, I would say this looks like a tank job to rally the conservatives !!
Let me get this straight. You believe that Pelosi has brought this issue up to rally conservatives? I'm beginning to wonder about what is going on, in this thread, with logic.
Corporate personhood is the legal concept that a corporation may sue and be sued in court in the same way as natural persons or unincorporated associations of persons. This doctrine in turn forms the basis for legal recognition that corporations, as groups of people, may hold and exercise certain rights under the common law and the U.S. Constitution. The doctrine does not hold that corporations are "people" in the literal sense, nor does it grant to corporations all of the rights attendant on individuals.