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Originally posted by Kaploink
The epitome of capitalism would be a competitive market where every company competes against other companies for customers based on price and quality of their product.
The existence of cartels where multiple companies agree on a price and product production goes against the very ideal of free market capitalism.
Originally posted by MrXYZ
Who cares about labels, all that matters is jobs...and giving one industry an unfair advantage through subsidies costs the other industry (aka green technologies) jobs!! Oh, and that's a FACT.
And I wasn't insulting you...just questioning your knowledge. Because for someone who just a few posts ago questioned someone else's credentials, you don't seem to know all that much
You still haven't addressed any of my questions. Obama's startup energy ideas have ALL FAILED! And that IS a FACT! The only unfair advantage oil has compared to whatever the green industry is, is that Oil is distinguished. It's just there in the Earth waiting to get drilled.
Show me a credible source where it says oil companies do NOT do this?
Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by jjf3rd77
So still blissfully ignoring the FACT that the oil industry has an unfair advantage through MASSIVE tax subsidies and a favorable legislative environment?
I explained numerous times in detail WHY green energy currently can't compete with oil.
The funny part is, you are partially correct!! It is partially Obama's fault that those green initiatives failed. He continues to give the oil industry an unfair advantage that allows them to undercut every single competitor.
Yes, the average citizen pays almost 3% more taxes than some of the richest companies on the planet.
And I explained to you why the "green industry" which only exists in politispeak language and in no official national way! IT IS A NON-EXISTENT INDUSTRY!!!!!!! oil exists and is quite easy to profit off of.
Actually it's not Obama's fault they failed. They were already in the red before Obama cam along. They just fudged the numbers and Obama stole from the people! So, no accountability goes to them?? This isn't oil's fault! The Environmental activists have their own crazy agenda that I want no part of! The only thing the oil company's affects in my life is the price of oil!
Yes, the average citizen pays almost 3% more taxes than some of the richest companies on the planet.
Where is your sources for this info??? All I am seeing is random numbers coming from you which is what I can do as well. it's not oil's fault for the problems in the green industry. Which you still have not even been able to define!!!!
HUFBAUER: Debunking the big-oil subsidy mythEnergy companies receive same tax treatment as other manufacturers
The late Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan used to warn against “semantic infiltration” - employing less-than-accurate words in an effort to shape the debate. Moynihan’s caution is often ignored, but it’s still worth calling out the offenders. Among them is a favorite think tank of the Obama administration, the Center for American Progress (CAP), which regularly insists that taxpayers are “subsidizing big oil companies.” That’s simply not true. U.S. energy companies, specifically those in the oil business, are eligible for the same tax treatment as other U.S. industries.
To understand this, it’s important to take a close look at the words being used. CAP shrewdly - but inaccurately - conflates two completely different terms in public finance: subsidy and deduction. A subsidy is a payment made by the government, usually to promote the prospects of a specific technology or action - be it solar energy, ethanol or something else. Subsidies are often equated with handouts - a derisory term for sure. A business deduction, on the other hand, is designed to ensure that a firm is taxed only on its net income.
Deductions allow businesses to write off legitimate expenses from gross revenue to calculate net income. Deductions are widely regarded as proper in a system that taxes income, not revenue. Properly defined, subsidies and deductions are as different as apples and oranges. That hasn’t stopped President Obama, Democrats in Congress and even some Republicans from semantic infiltration.
www.washingtontimes.com...
Green Energy – Too Many Subsidies, Too Little Performance
By Marin Katusa, Chief Energy Investment Strategist, Casey Research
Any politician who talks of a green, utopian US – where wind and solar produce most of our energy, electric cars put power back into the grid, green fields of corn produce clean fuels, and millions of Americans work in green technology factories – is creating a fanciful vision so far detached from reality it should really be called a lie. Such tales are designed to encourage a public that is increasingly despondent about the future, but the policy moves that have been made in support of these fantasies have cost taxpayers tens of billions of dollars. Much of it is money that will not be repaid, because a whole whack of the companies and industries that accepted green grants, loan guarantees, and tax credits have turned out to be complete failures.
Two green subsidies expired with 2011, and not a moment too soon. In fact, we wish more of the US government’s initiatives to support green energy had ended with the stroke of midnight, because the green energy industry has become completely dependent on a steady stream of government money. Protected by this "green gold," green technologies from corn ethanol to solar power have not had to compete against other power sectors based on their merits. If they had, many would have already failed.
Let’s a take tour through some of the US’s green subsidies and examine just how they have tipped the scales in favor of technologies that generally don’t stand the test of economics, are often worse for the environment than conventional methods, and are costing taxpayers dearly....................................
www.creditwritedowns.com...
Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by jjf3rd77
Those tax breaks will cost us around $77b over the next 10 years!!
Oh, and in case you're wondering what the average effective tax rate of those oil companies is...it's 17.6%.
Now I'm sure you're curious how much the average effective tax rates of US citizens is, right? It's 20.4%!!
Wanna know why green energies fail???
Because the oil industry (you know, the direct competition to green energy) is disproportionally subsidized by government welfare!!! They get subsidized so much, it makes it pretty much impossible for green energies to compete.
THAT'S why green energies aren't profitable yet, because bought sock puppet politicians who pretend to love free market (lol) skew competition by subsidizing their main corporate donor...the oil industry
in 2008, Obama promised that "investing" $150 billion taxpayer dollars would create 5 million jobs
When he releases his new budget in two weeks, President Obama will propose doing away with roughly $4 billion a year in subsidies and tax breaks for oil companies, in his third effort to eliminate federal support for an industry that remains hugely profitable.
“[O]il and gas is an enforcement priority, it’s one of seven, so we are going to spend a fair amount of time looking at oil and gas production,” Armendariz says in the video.