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Argentina is likely to reinvade the Falklands once Britain drops its guard

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posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by cranspace





The BRICS rise. The BRICS are not your friend


Not sure what this is
But the British Army would simply smash it

Cran
No, they won't. Please do some research before making such pronouncements. BRICS is a coalition of 5 nations. Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa. Google can be your friend. Try it.




posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 04:03 PM
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Your admiration for the BRICS is quite worrying.

Do you think that if they do develop to control the world and it's economies etc that they will be any less exploitive and imperialistic?

If you do so then you are either exceptionally naive or completely ignorant of human history.

And you do realise that some of the greatest divisions between the wealthy and those they exploit occur in the nations that comprise the BRICS?



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 04:05 PM
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THe BRIC countries are not a coalition, it's just a handy name to give to countries that are developing at a similar rate.

Argentina would not rely on Russia China or India. It's not like NATO.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by Germanicus

Originally posted by alldaylong

Originally posted by Germanicus
reply to post by ollncasino
 





I imagine you are happy to watch other people fighting and dying in pointless wars.


Yes. I want BRICS vs Imperial Empire.

I want America and Britain to die.

I want to live in a world where the BRICS control the Reserve Currency and dominate world affairs. It will be in our lifetimes.



What i find laughable is that someone who has a love for Adolf Hitler (Thats you) then goes on to state his hatred of imperialism. You just couldn't make this stuff up


So i will ask you for a third time, what do you call a hypocrite in Australia, as you are one.

Here is your post about good old Adolf:-

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Are you some kind of stalker ? And thanks,I would have never found my own thread


And you think Hitler was an Imperialist? Thats what he was fighting. He was a National Socialist.

And we actually speak English here. A hypocrite is a hypocrite.

And your comparison is not apt. At all.
So Im not a hypocrite.

What do you call a moron wherever you come from?
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I am no stalker as i had replied to your thread on the love of Adolf. What do i call a moron? A moron is someone who complains about land grabbing and then has the front to live on land that what grabbed from the Aboriginies and have no compunction about living on it. Does that description ring any bells?



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by Germanicus
 


Your admiration for the BRICS is quite worrying.

Do you think that if they do develop to control the world and it's economies etc that they will be any less exploitive and imperialistic?

If you do so then you are either exceptionally naive or completely ignorant of human history.

And you do realise that some of the greatest divisions between the wealthy and those they exploit occur in the nations that comprise the BRICS?


His admiration for BRICS is worrying. Russia and it's communist history China and it's occupation of Tibet What is this guy smoking?



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by Germanicus
 


Your admiration for the BRICS is quite worrying.

Do you think that if they do develop to control the world and it's economies etc that they will be any less exploitive and imperialistic?

If you do so then you are either exceptionally naive or completely ignorant of human history.

And you do realise that some of the greatest divisions between the wealthy and those they exploit occur in the nations that comprise the BRICS?


Does China use its military to invade lands like the Imperialists? No. They invest in countries like Africa and negotiate fair outcomes.

Look at what the West has done. How can you keep supporting them? America is the great satan. It has not saved the world it has destroyed it.

I have no reason to think China would be any worse than America. I have a hard time believing anything could be as demonic as the Imperialists.

Funny thing is you cheer for these guys as austerity looms. The Imperialists are no longer content to plunder the rest of the world(actually they have lost the ability) so they are plundering their own people. Look at Greece. That is the future you cheer for.
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posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 04:13 PM
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Would you like to talk about China and it's occupation of Tibet?

www.tibetjustice.org...

Your hypocrisy has no bounds.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by Germanicus
Does China use its military to invade lands like the Imperialists? No. They invest in countries like Africa and negotiate fair outcomes.


Seriously, I'm not just getting at you here but you should really do some research on Tibet, because that's just wrong.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 04:16 PM
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Screw Tibet.

Human sacrifice, including cannibalism, was thought practiced in Tibet prior to the arrival of Buddhism in the 7th century.[45] The prevalence of human sacrifice in medieval Buddhist Tibet is less clear. The Lamas, as professing Buddhists, could not condone blood sacrifices, and they replaced the human victims with effigies made from dough. This replacement of human victims with effigies is attributed to Padmasambhava, a Tibetan saint of the mid 8th century, in Tibetan tradition.[citation needed] Nevertheless, there is some evidence that outside of lamaism, there were practices of tantric human sacrifice which survived throughout the medieval period, and possibly into modern times. The 15th-century Blue Annals, a seminal document of Tibetan Buddhism, reports upon how in Tibet the so-called "18 robber-monks" slaughtered men and women for their tantric ceremonies.[46] Such practices of human sacrifice as there was in medieval Tibet was mostly replaced by animal sacrifice, or the self-infliction of wounds in religious ritual, by the 20th century[citation needed]. A systematic survey of evidence for human sacrifice in 20th-century Tibet turns up three instances: a British traveller in 1915 was told that in previous times, babies had been sacrificed at a Gyantse monastery. Charles Alfred Bell reports the finding of the remains of an eight-year-old boy and a girl of the same age in stupa on the Bhutan-Tibet border in which were apparently ritually killed.[47] American anthropologist Robert Ekvall in the 1950s reported some instances of human sacrifice in remote areas of the Himalayas.[48] Based on this evidence, Grunfeld (1996) concludes that it cannot be ruled out that isolated instances of human sacrifice did survive in remote areas of Tibet until the mid 20th century, but they must have been rare enough to have left no more traces than the evidence cited above.

en.wikipedia.org...
They would still be killing babies and virgins if it wasnt for China.

And could the dalai lama be more obnoxious if he tried? I doubt it.
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posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by Germanicus
Does China use its military to invade lands like the Imperialists? No.


Invaded Vietnam in 1979

Border war with India 1962

Invaded Tibet in 1950

Border war with Russia 1969

Threatens Taiwan with war in 2004


What peaceful people these Chinese are...



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by Germanicus
reply to post by alldaylong
 


Screw Tibet.

Human sacrifice, including cannibalism, was thought practiced in Tibet prior to the arrival of Buddhism in the 7th century.[45] The prevalence of human sacrifice in medieval Buddhist Tibet is less clear. The Lamas, as professing Buddhists, could not condone blood sacrifices, and they replaced the human victims with effigies made from dough. This replacement of human victims with effigies is attributed to Padmasambhava, a Tibetan saint of the mid 8th century, in Tibetan tradition.[citation needed] Nevertheless, there is some evidence that outside of lamaism, there were practices of tantric human sacrifice which survived throughout the medieval period, and possibly into modern times. The 15th-century Blue Annals, a seminal document of Tibetan Buddhism, reports upon how in Tibet the so-called "18 robber-monks" slaughtered men and women for their tantric ceremonies.[46] Such practices of human sacrifice as there was in medieval Tibet was mostly replaced by animal sacrifice, or the self-infliction of wounds in religious ritual, by the 20th century[citation needed]. A systematic survey of evidence for human sacrifice in 20th-century Tibet turns up three instances: a British traveller in 1915 was told that in previous times, babies had been sacrificed at a Gyantse monastery. Charles Alfred Bell reports the finding of the remains of an eight-year-old boy and a girl of the same age in stupa on the Bhutan-Tibet border in which were apparently ritually killed.[47] American anthropologist Robert Ekvall in the 1950s reported some instances of human sacrifice in remote areas of the Himalayas.[48] Based on this evidence, Grunfeld (1996) concludes that it cannot be ruled out that isolated instances of human sacrifice did survive in remote areas of Tibet until the mid 20th century, but they must have been rare enough to have left no more traces than the evidence cited above.

en.wikipedia.org...
They would still be killing babies and virgins if it wasnt for China.


You talk utter garbage. Every country has it right to to determine it's own future. If that is what Tibet is about it's up to it's own people to do something about it, not by the Imperialist Chinese. I am done with you. You spout complete hypocritical nonsense.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by Germanicus
reply to post by alldaylong
 


Screw Tibet.

Human sacrifice, including cannibalism, was thought practiced in Tibet prior to the arrival of Buddhism in the 7th century.[45] The prevalence of human sacrifice in medieval Buddhist Tibet is less clear. The Lamas, as professing Buddhists, could not condone blood sacrifices, and they replaced the human victims with effigies made from dough. This replacement of human victims with effigies is attributed to Padmasambhava, a Tibetan saint of the mid 8th century, in Tibetan tradition.[citation needed] Nevertheless, there is some evidence that outside of lamaism, there were practices of tantric human sacrifice which survived throughout the medieval period, and possibly into modern times. The 15th-century Blue Annals, a seminal document of Tibetan Buddhism, reports upon how in Tibet the so-called "18 robber-monks" slaughtered men and women for their tantric ceremonies.[46] Such practices of human sacrifice as there was in medieval Tibet was mostly replaced by animal sacrifice, or the self-infliction of wounds in religious ritual, by the 20th century[citation needed]. A systematic survey of evidence for human sacrifice in 20th-century Tibet turns up three instances: a British traveller in 1915 was told that in previous times, babies had been sacrificed at a Gyantse monastery. Charles Alfred Bell reports the finding of the remains of an eight-year-old boy and a girl of the same age in stupa on the Bhutan-Tibet border in which were apparently ritually killed.[47] American anthropologist Robert Ekvall in the 1950s reported some instances of human sacrifice in remote areas of the Himalayas.[48] Based on this evidence, Grunfeld (1996) concludes that it cannot be ruled out that isolated instances of human sacrifice did survive in remote areas of Tibet until the mid 20th century, but they must have been rare enough to have left no more traces than the evidence cited above.

en.wikipedia.org...
They would still be killing babies and virgins if it wasnt for China.



Honestly, I'd be worried about the offence you're causing to any Tibetans that might be reading this, but what also bothers me is that the part you quoted even says that Padmasambhava (and as someone who meditates and researches the background of Buddhism I've researched Tibetan Buddhism, I can assure you he's a hugely important figure to many Tibetans.) who was a Tibetan was probably what stopped sacrifice, and you think it was China that stopped it?



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Germanicus
Does China use its military to invade lands like the Imperialists? No.


Invaded Vietnam in 1979

Border war with India 1962

Invaded Tibet in 1950

Border war with Russia 1969

Threatens Taiwan with war in 2004


What peaceful people these Chinese are...



All on their borders and hardly black and white.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by robhines

Originally posted by Germanicus
reply to post by alldaylong
 


Screw Tibet.

Human sacrifice, including cannibalism, was thought practiced in Tibet prior to the arrival of Buddhism in the 7th century.[45] The prevalence of human sacrifice in medieval Buddhist Tibet is less clear. The Lamas, as professing Buddhists, could not condone blood sacrifices, and they replaced the human victims with effigies made from dough. This replacement of human victims with effigies is attributed to Padmasambhava, a Tibetan saint of the mid 8th century, in Tibetan tradition.[citation needed] Nevertheless, there is some evidence that outside of lamaism, there were practices of tantric human sacrifice which survived throughout the medieval period, and possibly into modern times. The 15th-century Blue Annals, a seminal document of Tibetan Buddhism, reports upon how in Tibet the so-called "18 robber-monks" slaughtered men and women for their tantric ceremonies.[46] Such practices of human sacrifice as there was in medieval Tibet was mostly replaced by animal sacrifice, or the self-infliction of wounds in religious ritual, by the 20th century[citation needed]. A systematic survey of evidence for human sacrifice in 20th-century Tibet turns up three instances: a British traveller in 1915 was told that in previous times, babies had been sacrificed at a Gyantse monastery. Charles Alfred Bell reports the finding of the remains of an eight-year-old boy and a girl of the same age in stupa on the Bhutan-Tibet border in which were apparently ritually killed.[47] American anthropologist Robert Ekvall in the 1950s reported some instances of human sacrifice in remote areas of the Himalayas.[48] Based on this evidence, Grunfeld (1996) concludes that it cannot be ruled out that isolated instances of human sacrifice did survive in remote areas of Tibet until the mid 20th century, but they must have been rare enough to have left no more traces than the evidence cited above.

en.wikipedia.org...
They would still be killing babies and virgins if it wasnt for China.



Honestly, I'd be worried about the offence you're causing to any Tibetans that might be reading this, but what also bothers me is that the part you quoted even says that Padmasambhava (and as someone who meditates and researches the background of Buddhism I've researched Tibetan Buddhism, I can assure you he's a hugely important figure to many Tibetans.) who was a Tibetan was probably what stopped sacrifice, and you think it was China that stopped it?


Yes. China doesnt allow that crap.

And I am more worried about some Chinese person reading this. Seems you are allowed to say whatever you like about the Chinese here on ATS no matter how stupid. Yet if its certain other people you cannot utter a negative word. Do you know any Chinese people? They are cool. People on here act like they are scary aliens or something. Scared scared people. Thats what you all are. That is why you cling to the tired dying Imperialism that will destroy you.
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posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by Germanicus
All on their borders and hardly black and white.


Despite the amount you've been wrong that's a good point compared to what many countries have done, but it no way justifies what they've done to places like Tibet, and also the way they treat their own population. Anyway, I don't think any government at the moment is doing a very good job of things from what I can tell, and am bored of arguing so am done.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 04:28 PM
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We are in danger of derailing the thread and I have no desire to do that so this will be my last response, I hope, on the BRICS etc.....I would appreciate your thoughts on my first post in this thread though.



Does China use its military to invade lands like the Imperialists?


No, not yet.
The reasons are many and varied but probably mainly because they are aware of what the response would be from the rest of the world.

And I'm sure the people of Tibet would disagree with you.

And for the record, before Mao and his revolution, and subsequent slaughter of millions, China was an Empire.
Guess how it became an Empire.
Because it invaded and exploited all it's neighbouring nations.

Mao became the new Emperor in all but name.



They invest in countries like Africa and negociate fair outcomes.


I'm sure the starving millions will appreciate your differentiation....their bowls are still empty and the wells still dry....it's just that it's the Chinese and those they prop up now who are bleeding their continent dry instead of 'the West'.



Look at what the West has done.


Yeah, it's done a hell of a lot of bad....but it's done a hell of a lot of good as well.



How can you keep supporting them?


I support no-one and certainly no particular political belief system.
I try to look and judge each individual situation / occurrence etc on it's own individual merits free from political dogma and restraints.



America is the great satan.


No it isn't...it's not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but it's not evil.

There's definately 'elements' within the USA that believe they are above the morals and standards that apply to the rest of us....but I suspect that's the same in most countries.



Funny thing is you cheer for these guys as austerity looms


I assure you, I have no love, or even respect, for those that govern me.....but I am also a realist.



That is the future you cheer for.


Unfortunately I fear that I have become far too bitter and cynical to cheer for anyone or anything.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by Germanicus

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Germanicus
Does China use its military to invade lands like the Imperialists? No.


Invaded Vietnam in 1979

Border war with India 1962

Invaded Tibet in 1950

Border war with Russia 1969

Threatens Taiwan with war in 2004


What peaceful people these Chinese are...



All on their borders and hardly black and white.



Oh, I forgot Korean war 1950-53.

And Vietnam in the 1960s. The Chinese had soldiers in combat during the US vs. Vietnam war.

What peaceful people those Chinese are.

But apart from Vietnam, Korea, Tibet, India, Russia & Taiwan, the Chinese are a peace loving people...


Note that during all of this period, at no point was Chinese territory attacked by anyone.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 04:34 PM
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Ithink I have derailed it.

Sorry OP. I get carried away when thinking Imperialism.

Im done. Flame on. I will offer no resistance


I think you guys are right about the Islands for the most part really. I just hate Imperialism that much that any potentail trigger gets me excited.

And at least I gave you people some to flame. Its been fun.

I hope I at least added to the thread a little by giving you guys someone to come at.

Sorry again for getting off topic.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by Germanicus
All on their borders and hardly black and white.



China claims territory from almost every country it has a border with, and a number it doesn't just for good measure.

They are a bit like Argentina and the Falklands.

They never owned it. They never controlled it. The people there don't want them.

But they want it.



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posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 04:35 PM
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Sorry, not possible.

They do not have the capability to withstand any defensive move by the UK at all. Their military is almost non-existent, their finances are in a terrible mess, even if the government there wanted it there is currently no possible way they could do it.

They could, as suggested, seize the airport. Then what?
We would land on top of them and take out their 200 special forces within hours.

This is all fantasy, it's not gonna happen.



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