Official: N. Korea Missile Launch Expected in Next 24 to 48 Hours

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posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by InsideYourMind
They say it's carrying a satellite. Why can't we accept this is most likely true for one second?



Because they say that Sat is supposed to beam back patriotic songs for the people to hear


Nobody is falling for that. Most people in NK don't even have radios.

I say shoot it down and show NK and China that we are not playing games with baby Kim any longer.




posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 10:08 AM
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Because there is too much subversion to believe that.

China has been testing ASAT ( Anti-Satellite )vehicles for a couple years now, even successfully taking out one of their aging weather satellites.

so yes it could be that they are launching a satellite....one of China's new satellite killers, and use it to destroy one of the many satellites used by NORAD etc, to track ICBM launches.

thats why we cant for one second think its just a harmless little weather tracker.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 10:52 AM
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It is NK, not Iran. And yes, we were very upset when the fully fueled Russian satellite was crashing to the earth, it sparked many doomsday threads on ATS. The US has the technology to shoot our own satellites down, and we have done so in the past to prevent damaging other countries.


Funny that you mention this, then go on to say that NK has obligations. USA-193 (L-21) was shot down in 2008 over supposed concerns about the hydrazine fuel on board, but that threat was dispelled by most who looked at the facts. in reality, it was a test of an anti satellite weapons system in contravention of mutually agreed conditions, the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty


Also, NK has obligations to refrain from using this type of technology, they have no ability to mitigate any accidents, they have no need for a weather satellite in the first place, and they have a terrible track record of safety for launches.


You are likely right, but you also may be wrong about NK having the ability to clean up after an accident, one reason I can think of this would be the sanction imposed on NK by the US, using it's influence and strong-arm tactics. If the Us is free to ignore it's commitments at will to international treaties, why is it so wrong for NK to work around sanctions imposed on it. This is a rocket after all, as far as we know, not a missile, though they do share the same basic tech, but that is the same for the US, and people would laugh if it was suggested that a US rocket launch mas a missile launch. Who are you, or the US administration to decide if NK can have, or has a need for a weather satellite.


There are plenty of reasons to be concerned. They have also pre-emptively threatened Japan and everyone else that tries to protect their own country by shooting this thing down. They also have a starving population while they spend billions on this BS that violates their international obligations and treaties.


What would the US do if Russia or China threatened to "preemptively" shoot down a US space launch, hell that would be an act of war as far as the US is concerned, and you bet your six the US would warn anyone off doing that, why should it be any different for NK. NK has a starving population because of the sanction imposed on it by nations like the US, reminds me of Cuba in that manner, the US did not get it's way with the counties administration, so it punishes the people of tat nation. It is all politics, ugly politics, imposed mainly by the US because of it's military might, if that happened in the school yard, they would be described as the bully.

The US s no stranger to ignoring international treaties or obligations, so they are in no position to show manufactured disgust when another nation does, if you want to lead, lead by example.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 10:57 AM
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You don't have kids do you? Let me clue you in. NK is behaving exactly like a child. They want to be treated like an adult but only have the responsibilities we give to a 16yr old. NK accepts, and demands "their parents" to provide food.... and they lie, manipulate, throw a tantrum in order to get what they want. I tell ya what.......as soon as NK can feed itself without throwing little fits about needing aid from the West, and decide they are going to act like an adult, then you can make an argument for letting them have the keys to the car.. Until then.......we blow the crap out of this missile and send the petulant child to their room with no supper!


And the US and it's allies are acting like a gang of school yard bullies. NK would be able to feed itself if there were not sanctions imposed on it by the US and it's allies because they got their ego's bruised in the 50's. Nk would not need humanitarian aid from the west if the west did not do and had not been doing what it has for a few generations.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 11:01 AM
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Unbelievable how desperate you are for a war, you going to go over there and fight, or are you happy sending someone else's kids?



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 11:03 AM
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And if this is the case, then you have anti-satellite missiles you can use too, if it is not, then maybe it is time for the hawkish types to eat humble pie, like that would ever happen. Some people are bound and determines to go to war in that area of the world. Someone once told me:

"If there ever is a WW3, be sure, it will be started by the US"



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 11:14 AM
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these asians got some bawls, props to them, they don't bow down to the so called united nations



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 11:21 AM
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Was just wondering if we will have a launch time before
this happens? I bet eyes are on the skies right now
for certain. Stay safe Aussie friends - would hate to
see this land in your yard or anywhere else where
there is a population.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 12:20 PM
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All great points. I don't disagree, but the state of the world is what it is. The US is in the driver's seat, for now, and NK is a dangerous dictatorship and declared enemy of the US. If NK wants to get out of their situation, they should follow the lead of Germany and Japan. They can use diplomacy and economics to wriggle back into the international community, and then they can be in control of their own destiny. Toothless threats and constant jabs at the US and allies is no way to get out of the situation they are in. Doesn't matter if I agree with the situation or not, it is what it is, and they will have to work smarter to fix it.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by InsideYourMind
 



They say it's carrying a satellite. Why can't we accept this is most likely true for one second?


What do they need a weather satellite for?


The country covers an area of 120,549 square kilometers (46,543 square miles), making it slightly smaller than the state of Mississippi.

Read more: Korea, North - Location and size, Population, Industry, Mining, Manufacturing, Construction, Services www.nationsencyclopedia.com...


Mississippi doesn't need a weather satellite, and neither does N. Korea.

Besides that, they have proven time and time again they do not spend their cash and resources on benevolent projects to benefit their people. They let their people starve and they spend their money on military, therefore this can only have a military intention.


I agree with you mostly.
I believe DPRK/North Korea wants to pursue it's own technological advancements. It's not like they would be happy to rely on a US satellite for receiving information about their own country. the ties between the two countries (as an example) is not a good one for obvious reasons.

In a similar way as to russia wanting to start it's own set of GPS satellite system so it doesn't have to rely on "other" systems which they have no control over. Obviously, russia is a very big place and it would be logical for them to start their own program in that field, but that is besides the point. I think many countries do not want to rely on "others" for data that could be tampered with.

Lets say the DPRK satellite was partly intended for spying on transmissions as well as sending data on the weather... i really don't think the americans would be happy if DPRK somewhat used a US satellite to spy on US transmissions, that just wouldn't happen.

It's about designing a system that can be used to the full extent of the nation who owns it.
See what i'm saying?



Besides that, they have proven time and time again they do not spend their cash and resources on benevolent projects to benefit their people. They let their people starve and they spend their money on military, therefore this can only have a military intention.

This is most likely true in some ways, just as any other nation who has a military, a fine example would be the US. (don't get me wrong i'm not using the US as a target, just a common example).

We see all the money spent on wars which have no purpose or meaning (middle-east), and it's very true that there are millions of americans on the streets with no money, healthcare, shelter and all of the above.

It's the same scenario.

The money can always be better used to support people who are having trouble getting by. Although if you were to go down that road, we end up with the argument of socialism, communism and everything else that isn't capitalism being some kind of disease.
edit on 12/4/2012 by InsideYourMind because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 12:28 PM
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They can use diplomacy and economics to wriggle back into the international community, and then they can be in control of their own destiny.


Look what happened to Ghadaffi when he gave up the Lockerbie bomber, his nuke/wmd program and denounced terrorism, all in an effort to get back in the International Communities good graces.
Yep, his convoy was bombed by NATO, he was taken captive by islamic radicals, was tortured and summarily executed in the streets.
Hell Mubarek of Egypt was even let down by his allies, the US and UK.
If our allies cant trust us, what makes you think our enemies will?



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 12:48 PM
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What? Are you new to how NK has been run? I'm sure it is the West's fault that there isn't a Walmart or a Disney World in NK.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 01:39 PM
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What do they need a weather satellite for?

Hmmm...I don't know...maybe weather?



Mississippi doesn't need a weather satellite, and neither does N. Korea.

That's so stupid, its funny.



Besides that, they have proven time and time again they do not spend their cash and resources on benevolent projects to benefit their people. They let their people starve and they spend their money on military, therefore this can only have a military intention.

Maybe they would spend more money on their people if it was allowed, countless sanctions are stopping them from feeding their people. Sanctions don't hurt the leaders or the military it hurts the civilans.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 01:52 PM
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So you have never been to the US? You are aware that the only way to go hungry in the US is by choice? Total Straw Man. I say that having been homeless at one point in my life, knowing full well how easy it is to get food if you wish. Propaganda is propaganda.

Where are you getting all these false ideas regarding NK? I've never seen anyone defend that human horror story before, no matter their politics or background. You really need to do some homework on the NK. You may as well defend Mao while he was slaughtering tens of millions, because it's a similar situation on a smaller scale.

Of course there are a tiny group of self described elite academicians who seem to almost worship Mao despite the slaughter. So I guess maybe I'm not so surprised after all.

That rocket represents the starvation of huge numbers of people to pay for it. You defend that how?

NK's enemy is a fantasy, fabricated to control it's citizens. Nobody is threatening them, only defending against them. Nobody is thinking of invading them either. The whole thing is a show by it's so called Deity to control a slave population. An imaginary enemy and threat so they can keep their own citizens from seeing the truth, while the ruling class lives in luxury and the people literally starve to death to pay for their Gods toys.

NK is a very unique thing on this planet that cannot be compared to any other situation in any other country. It's citizens cut off from the outside world and told they are the most advanced and powerful nation on earth and they must starve so they can defend against an enemy that does not exist.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 02:07 PM
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They have internet. You or I can pull up satellite weather data for NK at this very moment. There is nothing stopping them from putting up Doppler Radar in every town, and it is much more timely and accurate anyway.

What I said was meant to be funny, but also true. Mississippi doesn't need to launch its own satellite, and neither does Texas, and neither does NK, because the satellite data for the whole world is already out there for anyone to see.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 02:19 PM
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time will tell?



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 02:30 PM
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Well, Khaddafi's actions worked well for years, but recently you are correct. Apparently he got a little too successful with his canal project? Or perhaps there were unknown things at play that we haven't seen play out yet. World politics is an evil business, no doubt about that. Lucky enough for NK, they don't have anything we want yet, so in the foreseeable future they could participate in world economics if they would play nicely.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 02:37 PM
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Then no country ever again needs to launch any satellites, its all taken care of.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by Evanzsayz
reply to post by getreadyalready
 


Then no country ever again needs to launch any satellites, its all taken care of.


Pretty much, unless NK has some miraculous new technology, or unless they are being charitable and replacing an outdated or damaged satellite. Maybe they should just leave it to the experts until they get their people fed and get off the International Restrictions?



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by Juggernog
 


Well, Khaddafi's actions worked well for years, but recently you are correct. Apparently he got a little too successful with his canal project? Or perhaps there were unknown things at play that we haven't seen play out yet. World politics is an evil business, no doubt about that. Lucky enough for NK, they don't have anything we want yet, so in the foreseeable future they could participate in world economics if they would play nicely.


Yes, politics is an evil business, especially when the politicians of one nation starve the people of another nation, because they are not happy about the politicians of that nation not doing exactly as they are told.

So it is good they have nothing, or the US would go in and take it? Is that what you are trying to say?

Don't you mean, play by your rules and do exactly as they are told, not actually "play nice"?






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