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Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by MRuss
Today we were touring Wall Street and you can't even walk up to the bull anymore and rub him for good luck. It's cordoned off and a policeman sits there all day in his police car two feet away to make sure no one hops the fence and touches the bull.
The police presence is due to the Occupy movement as there were threats of vandalism made towards the sculpture. I am usually down in that area once a week and you can still get your picture taken (as was previosuly mentioned) if you ask.
Originally posted by nightstalker78
I don't live in D.C. so I don't care.D.C. has been a ghetto for a long time.And it probably always will be.Don't take what I said out of context.He was rambling on about the national archives and the lincoln memorial.That's all I was talking about.Don't forget the white house.
You and the op think this is a police state?Go live somwhere else for a few years.Seriously.Do it.You're bitching about America..go live in say...somewhere in the middle east.Do it.You won't.You know why? Because you'd rather just bitch on a website about how terrible the US is.But neither of you have the balls to change it.Or to go live somewhere else and realize how good you have it here.edit on 10-4-2012 by nightstalker78 because: (no reason given)edit on 10-4-2012 by nightstalker78 because: spelling :x
Originally posted by MrSandman
reply to post by fleabit
I think all the laws are half the problem. Let's take the seat-belt law for example. Why is it a crime if I don't wear a seat-belt? I'm not harming anyone but myself
Originally posted by ozwest
reply to post by Doc Gator
When were you last in China? I was there for three and a half months on business about a year ago and did not experience the things you refer to. Sure, there was some security (private) but otherwise hardly any police security visible at all. My movements were never restricted and I never noticed the vast amounts of CCTV cameras I see in the west. Perhaps you were there a few years earlier..
As a side note: I felt much freer in regards to doing business in China than I do in so called "Western Countries." Less Government interference, duties, taxes, red tape etc. They're heading in the right direction whilst we flounder in an increasing cess-pool of rules and regulations. Do you know what they do to people in China for serious white collar crime? They shoot them. In America, they give them a golden handshake.
Originally posted by arollingstone
reply to post by Malcher
Another overrated, mediocre piece of literature being referenced. Seriously if people want to be left alone just go live in the woods like Ted Kosciski did. Thing is people dont want that so of course if you live in a city thousands of eyes will be upon you and so what if they are CCTV camera's.
As I said, Orwellian is putting it lightly - I tend to avoid cliches. However, 1984 definitely is neither mediocre or overrated, to suggest as such is ridiculous. We'll save that for another thread mind you, don't mean to derail this one.
I'd be more than happy to retire in the wilderness, but I'm young and have a lot to achieve and therefore want to live in a big city. I do appreciate your point, as long as it doesn't interfere with me or anyone else unreasonably then I'm fine with it. However, it is representative of the paradigms and problems that are digging us into a hole.
The UK has a stunning number of CCTV cameras and sure sometimes they help solve crimes. But combined with other legislation the government is trying to push through, on top of existing legislation, it could pose a significant problem at current, if not in the future.
I appreciate you trying to be the down-to-earth realist but under your logic, the problem is not that our society resembles dystopia more than utopia but that we choose to remain subject to dystopian conditions. That is a dangerously flawed paradigm.edit on 10-4-2012 by arollingstone because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by amraks
Dam right your America is a police state. look at your rights all going away.
Originally posted by Domo1
I'm a tour director.
Change careers if it's that big of a deal to you. Saying America is a police state is ridiculous and insulting to anyone who has ever had to live in such a horrible situation.