Blame not Homosexuality, but attack the root.

We are all humans, one species, only fellow human brothers and sisters.

Very often, espacially when nearing election of legislatives time comes around, the gay and lesbianism issues are sown widely, as it is easily a diversive issue that gets a crook elected and a capable leader tossed to the bin. Misused religious beliefs had been manipulated, as proven regularly by america's bible belt, whom were only honest hardworking simple farmers, but misled to vote for crooks misusing religion, using diversive strategies to win.

Gays and lesbians are only humans. They are no different from anyone. They laugh and bleed the same, and do contribute to society. We humans have friends with the same sex, for comfort and solace, often display affections by hugging and even kissing as greetings with the same sex. It is normal.

The only issue is when the same gender indulges in private intimacy such as the act of reproduction, which cannot be done. And that is the only issue religion has with homosexuality.

Reproduction is a vital aspect for the survival of the human species. Looking at the woes of a greying Japan, no one can deny the problems on the lack of reproduction on the human part. We may end up extinct one day.

Reproduction though comes with some pain, but it also comes with pleasure and joys, a blessing for the miracle of birth and evolution. However, mankind had instead sought for the pleasures of intimacy, rather than for the act of reproduction, and resulted in problems such as abortion, contraceptives issues that divides society.

Worse when the same genders find delight in such intimacy, instead with the opposite sex. Such will greatly limit the survivability of mankind, when more indulges in it, or it is promoted, elevated and accepted as a way of life.

But why would some humans take delight in such? Where had society gone wrong that homosexuality becomes a norm and accepted way of life?

Some say it is genetic. But today, we can heal genetic illness, and even learn to deal with hormones. If the genes are a cause, our advancement in science can cure it, espacially for those whom have wish to indulge in such manner. So what are the other root causes?

Could it be that some humans see no hope in the future, and thus have no wish to have children, and to remain single?
Could it be that the same genders had lost trust in a societal demanding opposite sex, and find that the same gender are best companions for intimacy and life?
Had our scientific advancement led to an irresponsible stage whereby we humanity can and should create the next generation through cold clinical test tubes even for those whom are fertile and capable of natural reproduction? McBabies???

There are deeper issues with regards to homosexuality, and it lays with our society itself. Forcing morality down one's throat without resolving deeper underlaying issues will only cause them to have the backs against the wall with their claws up.

Better to find the root causes, attack those causes, then educate the next generation, than to openly throw the book at them, discriminate against them or do worse to them. It is more than religion, and no one should use religion to hurt or harm anyone.

The problem of singles and homosexuality lay with us - society. It is what we can do for them that will encourage them back to the fold, to have hope and share with our evolution and progress. No human needs to be alone, or without companionship and trust from the opposite sex as a child and adult.

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101


So...let me get this "straight".

You're saying that survival through reproduction is a more important aspect of life in a world where overpopulation is a legit problem, rather than loving everyone no matter what form it takes?

Ha. Ha. Ha. I used to wonder why the world's going to hell...

I don't wonder anymore.

There is no problem with homosexuality.
You suggest a few things that are insanely flawed...as followed:


1) You suggest there is a divide on contraception in society.
-There isn't. The country, and western civilization approves of it. Yes, there are some total wackjob fringe nuts that have issues with contraception..and they have a loud (and annoying) voice..but a vocal -very- minority does not = divide. Hell, some people demand sex be only for purposes of procreation...this is not a society divide in the role of sex..its just some nuts that don't want to have non-reproductive sex....

2) We will become extinct due to gayness
We have 7 BILLION PEOPLE on earth
Since the invention of contraception and the acceptance of gay society, our world population has increased so much that we are literally running out of farmland space to feed people.
Yes, if everyone turned gay, then sure, we would become extinct unless mandatory impregnations were implemented..but homosexuality accounts for a very small amount of the population.

3) Treat it like an illness
Actually, what defines an illness? Damage has to be present for there to be a illness. You suggest its a society illness..however, given number 2, you see the damage is coming from breeders.
So, perhaps we need to treat hetrosexuality before we face an actual extinction level event from soo many people on earth? popping out more than 2 babies per couple = insane by any measure in a overpopulated world...this is direct damage..therefore, the opposite needs to be viewed as an illness of anything.


Anyhow, don't blame heterosexuality, instead, attack the root. The root here being illogical conclusions, religious retoric ignoring 7 billion facts, ignoring gay animals in nature, and not thinking things out through various perspectives.

reply to post by SaturnFX


Actually...

I say that if we have to blame someone (we really need to stop blaming period, but I digress) we all blame heterosexuals. If they hadn't been so busy reproducing like rabbit on Viagra, there wouldn't be so many homosexuals.

After all, homosexuals had to be born somehow, right?

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Actually...

I say that if we have to blame someone (we really need to stop blaming period, but I digress) we all blame heterosexuals. If they hadn't been so busy reproducing like rabbit on Viagra, there wouldn't be so many homosexuals.

After all, homosexuals had to be born somehow, right?

edit on CMondaypm434323f23America/Chicago09 by Starchild23 because: (no reason given)

That is perhaps the most amusing thought I have read in quite sometime.
You literally must agree...the rise of homosexual numbers is proportional to the rise of population, therefore, less population = less gay people.

so, all we must do then is to stop having babies worldwide..then no more gay people will be born to threaten us with extinction!

I think being gay is natural, and not a choice. I know a few people that I went to school with that were obviously gay from a very early age. Not sure why people are gay. Not something I would do but whatever. I doubt we will go extinct from gay people. I think gay guys are hilarious for the most part.

The only problem I do have with gay people (not all of them) is their desire to flaunt their sexuality in public. When I'm having a meal with my son, I can do without the gay guy in high heels and a speedo, waving a rainbow flag and singing total eclipse of the heart. I get it you are gay lol.
(sorry too many years living in New Orleans).

Some guys prefer sausage.
Some girls prefer taco.

They account for a small portion of the population. Its not an illness, its just a preference. I like icecream. But i hate seafood. Hate it. Always have. Some things are choices, some are not. Some are gay by choice, some are born that way.

We should just stay out of peoples bedrooms =P. Dont like gays? then don't be one.

Double post

Leviticus 18:22: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

How is that taken out of context or misused?

Homosexuality is not an Illness. People who suggest it is a threat to mankind's existence need their heads examined, there's nearly 7 billion people on the planet, gays and lesbians do not threaten the exponential growth of the population. I've been on here earlier today arguing with religious ATS members so I'll be brief in saying that usually the only people who have problems with homosexuality, as I see it, are people who follow doctrine which has deemed same sex relations as wrong. In some countries on this planet gay people are publicly hung because of religion. Live and let live.

Originally posted by DavidWillts

Leviticus 18:22: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

How is that taken out of contest or misused?

It should be noted that about 90% of Leviticus is no longer quoted in average conversation, and is even widely admitted to be a bunch of trash. Remember the part about eating pork? Enjoy that pork, hombre. Yeah, the pig is a dirty animal. Enjoy your ticket to hell.

Point here being, if I had to choose any part of the Bible to quote from, it would not be Leviticus. It is the most trash-talking, illogical, and barbaric section of the Bible.

Learn to dig deeper, instead of heading straight for the scripture recycle bin.

reply to post by AzureSky


Let me be the first to sat ewwwww to the food ref.

Some guys prefer sausage. Some girls prefer taco.

I believe that people who don't like pie should be sterilized.

Homosexuality is an illness, OP? Seriously?
Come on...

reply to post by Neysa

I believe that people who don't like pie should be sterilized.

I believe people who do like pie should be sterilized. I mean, as long as we're trading opinions like money...

Also, I would like to point out that the fact we are now arguing over pie says this thread was doomed from the start.

And finally, this is all because hatred churns that money machine like a Ford Charger churns pistons on a freeway. This is how the government makes money and keeps control...as long as the right people are put into office for hating the right people, and as long as the civilians have their anger concentrated at each other, no one will see who is pulling all of the strings in the whole deal.

Read Stephen King's "Needful Things" for a better description.

Originally posted by mayabong
I think being gay is natural, and not a choice.

I don't mean to pick, but I often find myself having to state the following when I find discussions like this...

There is NO SUCH THING AS UNNATURAL.

This is an oxymoron. Something that is not natural cannot exist in the natural world. Therefore nothing that does exist can possibly be called unnatural.

What people really mean when they say that something is unnatural is that it is unacceptable to them.

In addition, I would like the OP to explain the millions of animals on the planet which regularly engage in same sex relations. I would also like an explanation of bisexuality.

There are hundreds of globally renowned biologists, psychologists and sexologists on the planet who actually understand Human sexuality, and it has absolutely no relation to religion other than in the demented minds of the religious.

Originally posted by DavidWillts

Leviticus 18:22: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

How is that taken out of contest or misused?

Hey! I have a question...since it doesn't say "Thou shalt not lie with womankind as with mankind", does that mean lesbians are A-OK with the writers of Leviticus?


I wish straight people would stop obsessing about gays, it's so tiresome. Really. We have more important things to be concerned about. Don't you agree? Humans are not going to become extinct - unless we keep building faulty nuclear reactors and things of that nature.

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I totally agree with you. I am considered crazy to some of my friends cause I say everything is natural. Every human creation is natural. Beavers make a dam but its natural, Humans make a dam but its manmade? Makes for quite the conversation when you take this approach.

Originally posted by Starchild23

Originally posted by DavidWillts

Leviticus 18:22: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

How is that taken out of contest or misused?

Learn to dig deeper, instead of heading straight for the scripture recycle bin.

But how is it taken out of context or misused ? The only thing i gathered from your post was that you don't agree with it so it is no good.

Romans 1:26-27

King James Version (KJV)

26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Lesbians are a no no too. I really wish people would stop trying to say that the bible somehow condones homosexuality. Nothing is taken out of context, it is really clear on the subject.

Originally posted by DavidWillts

Leviticus 18:22: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

How is that taken out of contest or misused?

That's fine for those that believe in your 2,000 year old storybook, but many, like myself, are disgusted that people choose to discriminate in modern society based on those old tales.

******
I could pick just about any book, twist its meaning to fit my goal, and it automatically becomes true as long as I believe it, right? Let's go there...

You quote your bible as fact, and many people quote the bible to justify intolerance for gays. so let's say I choose to follow... Dr. Seuss Green Eggs and Ham as my book of truth...

Seuss 12:2-9 (Green Eggs and Ham, page 12, lines 2 through 9) says:

I would not, could not, in the rain.
Not in the dark. Not on a train,
Not in a car, Not in a tree.
I do not like them, Sam, you see.
Not in a house. Not in a box.
Not with a mouse. Not with a fox.
I will not eat them here or there.
I do not like them anywhere!
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With a bit of belief, one could conceivably twist Seuss' classic childrens story to support intolerance for gays, just as is done with your bible. Just because I can twist words to fit my agenda doesn't make it fact without verifiable proof.

Originally posted by DavidWillts

Romans 1:26-27

King James Version (KJV)

26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Lesbians are a no no too. I really wish people would stop trying to say that the bible somehow condones homosexuality. Nothing is taken out of context, it is really clear on the subject.

I really wish people would stop cherry-picking what they pay attention to in the Bible, and what they ignore.
If you are going to use the Bible to judge others, then you must live EXACTLY as it says in the Bible - otherwise you are a hypocrite.