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Never said anything in protest of homosexuality. Please post my "protest" of homosexuality or admit that you made that up.
Originally posted by DavidWillts
Romans 1:26-27
King James Version (KJV)
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Lesbians are a no no too. I really wish people would stop trying to say that the bible somehow condones homosexuality. Nothing is taken out of context, it is really clear on the subject.
So if you are done dodging, how is that bible passage I posted taken out of context,twisted or misused?
Originally posted by Starchild23
I assume you're talking about the reproduction issue? We've covered this.
Not a single place in the world is dealing with reproductive problems. In fact, that's the one thing mankind is exceedingly good at.
Once again, the only remotely valid argument is a religious one, and it's getting old...fast.
Over-population had long been proven a myth, more so at our current stage of tech evolution
Originally posted by DavidWillts
Leviticus 18:22: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
How is that taken out of context or misused?
Constitutional attorneys sometimes discuss the idea of "original intent." In answering this question about homosexuality, understanding original intent in scripture is vitally important. Was God talking about modern, twenty first century, committed, faithful, non-cultic, same sex partnerships or was He talking about pagan sexual rituals in worship of the Canaanite fertility goddess? There is no evidence in the Bible that God or OT Jews or Jesus Christ Himself understood Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13 as prohibiting committed, faithful, non-cultic, same sex partnerships. The - homosexuality wrong - idea comes from taking verses out of context.
Lied...pfft. This is blatant opposition to homosexuality. Next:
Well, considering you are posting sections from the Bible and not bothering to include a disclaimer, I can safely assume that you at the very least partially agree with the Bible.
It's elementary, Watson.
Originally posted by kaylaluv
Originally posted by DavidWillts
Leviticus 18:22: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
How is that taken out of context or misused?
Constitutional attorneys sometimes discuss the idea of "original intent." In answering this question about homosexuality, understanding original intent in scripture is vitally important. Was God talking about modern, twenty first century, committed, faithful, non-cultic, same sex partnerships or was He talking about pagan sexual rituals in worship of the Canaanite fertility goddess? There is no evidence in the Bible that God or OT Jews or Jesus Christ Himself understood Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13 as prohibiting committed, faithful, non-cultic, same sex partnerships. The - homosexuality wrong - idea comes from taking verses out of context.
www.gaychristian101.com...edit on 9-4-2012 by kaylaluv because: (no reason given)
“Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination [towebah].” Leviticus 18:22
“If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination [towebah]: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” Leviticus 20:13
Well, there are other interpretations of this quote. People who are against homosexuality tend to interpret it one way. People who are not against homosexuality tend to interpret it another way.
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination- Unless they are gay and/or you don't want to believe in it lol jesus FTW
Originally posted by kaylaluv
Well, there are other interpretations of this quote. People who are against homosexuality tend to interpret it one way. People who are not against homosexuality tend to interpret it another way.
Originally posted by DavidWillts
Leviticus 18:22: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
How is that taken out of contest or misused?
Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved.
Romans was written by Paul, not jesus.
not even Moses (whom spent most of his literary career giving opinions -not- of god but of his own way of seeing things (see marriage and divorce).
So ya, Paul...not sure why x-ians even listen to him. Nice guy I am sure, but a bit of a blowhard and made a lot of stuff up while envisioning -his- church.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
reply to post by DavidWillts
Oh, and finally:
The Old Testament in general has no weight on people, Christ came not to dismiss but to fulfill...thereby allowing it all to become about as useful as the lord of the rings.
the OT speaks of many things, stonings, no haircuts, tattoos, eating of unclean animals, working on the sabbath, etc etc etc.
Jesus countered them all in action and word, ultimately, he lifted all of the former rules and put in 3. love self, love neighbor, love god.
-atheist agnostic btw, but know a thing or two about religion-
Originally posted by DavidWillts
Well I have to give you a star for being the only person able to attempt to answer the question. But gaychristian101 is wrong. Now THAT is twisting scripture to fit one's own needs. Gaychristian writes that there is no connection between homosexuality and sodom. While that may be true it really has little to do with Leviticus because it clearly states
“Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination [towebah].” Leviticus 18:22
“If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination [towebah]: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” Leviticus 20:13
And if you notice it does not say anything about Sodom.
He is just another christian trying to justify cherry picking his beliefs from the bible.
The first part of this verse is literally translated as "And with a male you shall not lay lyings of a woman"
The verse is, unfortunately, incomplete. Its precise meaning is ambiguous. The phrase "lay lyings" has no obvious interpretation. Attempts have been made to make sense out of the original Hebrew by inserting a short phrase into the verse. For example:
The Net Bible® translation 3 inserts two words to produce "And with a male you shall not lay [as the] lyings of a woman." A man must not have sexual intercourse with another man as he would normally have with a woman. i.e. anal intercourse between two men is not permitted. From this literal, word for word translation, they produce a smoother English version: "You must not have sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman."
An alternative translation would insert a different pair of words to produce: "And with a male you shall not lay [in the] lyings of a woman." That is, two men must not engage in sexual behavior on a woman's bed. Presumably, they must go elsewhere to have sex; a woman's bed was sacred and was to be reserved for heterosexual sex.
Originally posted by DavidWillts
reply to post by kaylaluv
Yes their other favorite approach, don't like what it says? Rewrite it! Also good to note, all the translations he offers are slightly different in wording but they all pretty much say "guys don't have sex with guys".
Originally posted by LaughingatHumanity
It occurs within nature in a multitude of species and is in no way a human phenomenon.
are these Leviticus quotes being taken out of context or twisted?
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
Originally posted by DavidWillts
Leviticus 18:22: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
How is that taken out of contest or misused?
For every law, there IS a reason behind it. If one just blindly read and follow laws without understanding it or why it was necessary, then we are no more than robots. We mankind are NOT robots. Worse when those who do not understand it, see it as an imposition upon them, and bare their fangs.
The reason that law came about is simply about human survival as a species. If more same sex lies with the same, mankind will extinct.
Many here make the claim that there are 7 BILLION of us. No doubt that is true. But if such homosexual lifestyles are not understood, see the flaws and correct them but accepted blindly, soon it will only become a majority. THis is not some fantasy.
Look at what's happening to Japan today. It has a greying population, due to low birthrates in recent decades. Although the case CANNOT be directly attributed to homosexuality, much of it can be laid to the current generation's refusal or fear to have children. They worry about the future, but the fact remains, the birth rates there are declining, then who will support their aged parents whom will no longer be able to lift even a cup of water? We all will grow old one day. Who will support you when you grow old?
I can save and will willingly share what I have for all without complaint, but I am only one and my resources are limited. It can never take care of every aged. Those whom my efforts cannot reach will most certainly die without dignity, after working so hard for many long years.
It need not be this way. Nor do I lay blame upon homosexuals for their way of life. It is a choice that they had made under our current environment. They will have to take responsibility and consequences of their actions.
It is the next generation that we must be concern with. They are innocent. Find out the root of the problem why some of our present generation would opt for homsexual lifestyle, understand them, and then try to find solutions to resolve it so they will not have to suffer the consequences some of us this generation had made.