'Faster than light' scientist steps down

'Faster than light' scientist steps down

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An Italian scientist who headed an experiment suggesting neutrinos traveled faster than the speed of light has resigned, officials said.

Antonio Ereditato, leader of an Italian project dubbed Opera working between particle labs at CERN in Switzerland and Gran Sasso in central Italy, quit after the results were disproved amid reports of discontent among his team, the Italian Nuclear Physics Institute said.

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Proof of the old adage: "If it seems too good to be true, it probably isn't" The news that neutrinos were detected rocked the world; if it were true, one of the fundamental principles of the theory of Relativity would have been undermined. Criticism of the findings were immediate, but were quickly embraced by the "alternative science" community. Repetitions of the experiment failed to reproduce the results, suggesting systematic error on the part of the OPERA team. In retrospect, it is clear that the team leader, Antonio Ereditato, rushed to publication against the better judgement of others on his team. This is not so much a reflection on Ereditato as it is on the dangers of internet driven publication; in the past, scientists had the leisure to review their work before submitting it to their peers. It could take years before a paper eventually found its way into a journal, and months after that before the findings were picked up by the popular media. Now, faced with the dictum "publish or perish," scientists are forced to release their results as quickly as possible, if only to "scoop" other researchers in the field. This has resulted in spurious "discoveries," such as superluminal neutrinos and arsenic breathing microbes. It is regrettable that the story has taken the course it has; Ereditato was no doubt a sincere and dedicated scientist. This should serve as a warning both to the scientific community to thoroughly check one's work, and to the general population to thoroughly evaluate the latest scientific results before accepting them as "fact."

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Oh well. I don't blame him for jumping the gun. With something that big you either take a risk or take a back seat.

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I don't see why he had to step down. Maybe failure needs to be tolerated a little bit more in scientific community, at least when it's something so on the edge. This idea that if you're wrong once you'll never be able to redeem yourself is grinding science to a standstill in a lot of areas. Ufology also of suffers from this attitude, but it's kind of justified a bit given all the hoaxes.

DARPA does something like this to encourage innovation if I'm not mistaken.

Oh. Never mind. I was thinking like The Flash quitting, or something like that....

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I can't say the news particularly shocks me but like the previous poster noted, it is indeed sad that he felt compelled to resign. Is it not one of our human qualities that we tend to learn from out mistakes?

As someone once said: "Show me a man who never made a mistake and I'll show you a man who never did anything."

Originally posted by Ex_CT2
Oh. Never mind. I was thinking like The Flash quitting, or something like that....

Lol...me too

he supposedly got it wrong a few weaks ago why step down now
i didnt read it because its all a cover up and therfore bs
einstein was wrong face it

i mean seriously would'nt u check double check and then double check a hundred more times before claiming somthing like that
seems REALLY REALY strange too me just saying
anyways al u science boys have to admit scientist CAN be wrong

and if he did get it wrong THANKS for wastin BILLIONS on failing equipment
good show ,no really...

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I don't see why he had to step down. Maybe failure needs to be tolerated a little bit more in scientific community, at least when it's something so on the edge.

I agree. The sense I get is that he stepped down due to conflicts with his team members, who felt uncomfortable rushing to publication and now feel their reputations have been tarnished. This is the scientific community's equivalent to a film director leaving a project because of "artistic differences."

If Madam Curie was working today I wonder how many days it would take before people started posting FAIL and how long before science said EPIC FAIL. Science has lost out to big business and big business wants results NOW.

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Ha! Well...now I really wonder if the escaping neutrinos are really faster than light?

Cover up? Or is he really that ashamed?

Originally posted by RSF77
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I don't see why he had to step down. Maybe failure needs to be tolerated a little bit more in scientific community, at least when it's something so on the edge. This idea that if you're wrong once you'll never be able to redeem yourself is grinding science to a standstill in a lot of areas.

It's just one big giant circle jerk. That is all it is.

Find a single scientist or inventor...one...who became a household name, who wasn't considered fringe at best, or a complete outcast at worst, by the "mainstream scientific community," in their own time.

I do not hate science itself; but I do have an absolutely pitch black, passionate hatred of the type of attitude that considers itself authoritative where science is concerned. I hate the priesthood.

It's a cutthroat business like any other, and like all business, there's a big business entity. We call that big science.

However, some of the comments i've seen from non-scientists are downright repulsive. Destructive criticism has no business being part of the creative process. If you're going to criticize a scientist for acting on his judgment then you had better make the subject of his criticism his work and not his individuality/person.

This is obviously a cover up.

The neutrinos were REALLY faster than light.

Mainstream science has become a religion, a cult. If someone discovers something that threatens the stablished "truth", this someone becomes an "heretic" and must be punished by the Scientific Inquisition.

Or do you think they would change all their theories and all their "truth" just because new FACTS were discovered?

Originally posted by thebestnr1
he supposedly got it wrong a few weaks ago why step down now
i didnt read it because its all a cover up and therfore bs
einstein was wrong face it

i mean seriously would'nt u check double check and then double check a hundred more times before claiming somthing like that
seems REALLY REALY strange too me just saying
anyways al u science boys have to admit scientist CAN be wrong

and if he did get it wrong THANKS for wastin BILLIONS on failing equipment

good show ,no really...

edit on 2-4-2012 by thebestnr1 because: (no reason given)

or maybe he is right and has been selected to lead a secret project

Sounds like he was pressured to step down for daring to go against the orthodoxy of the scientific establishment, many of whom, have based their whole work on the currently accepted status quo.

I see massive control in the science department and punishment of those who release findings.

Its is such nauseating control to have these pathetic low lives, shoving angels into tiny boxes and whipping anyone who reveals truth.

Get back in the slave pens, we are going to keep you in a primitive retrograde box for thousands of more years!

Dark, small minded, greedy minions of the dark side, actually ordering light beings around.

It makes me want to

I hope this man speaks up and writes many many books exposing them.

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...The news that neutrinos were detected rocked the world; if it were true, one of the fundamental principles of the theory of Relativity would have been undermined.

Precisely. And undermining one of the fundamental principles of the theory of Relativity would be catastrophic in today's political and economic climate.

Which is why I'm not buying either story.


S&F for a good catch though.

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I think it is a weird and suspicious story alltogether. This guy is a scientist, well educated and surounded with probably equally serious and educated co-workers.

Now,...why start an experiment like that in the first place if you know that there isn't something faster than the speed of light? The money involved to setup such an experiment, the "ridiculous" undertaking itself and the chance it would damage your career.

In my opinion this guy has strong and solid reason to start such an experiment and the scientists who helped him must have agreed there must be something there.

He must have known that publishing wrong results would be devestating for his career and must be 100% sure before going public with it. Especially because of what specific experiment he is trying to do...the whole world will be watching.

I like a good conspiracy and this could well be one of them. Anybody who is interested in conpiracies must know that technology to time-travel, but kept secret by the "elite" is one of them.

What if this guy has been told to sell the world failure while in reality he did actually proof that there are particles traveling faster then the speed of light? The intent is to keep scientific knowledge and applications from the world to know. Also to demoralize and discourage other scientist for any attempts to investigate the subject further.