GOP pushing towards oblivion.

Originally posted by LDragonFire
reply to post by Carseller4

 

Do the women of ATS believe Bachmann and Palin represent you?

So a "war on women" is ok, as long as the women on the right team?


Also, you never addressed why you think representing white people is a bad thing. Whats wrong with being white or representing white voters?

Originally posted by PvtHudson
Also, you never addressed why you think representing white people is a bad thing. Whats wrong with being white or representing white voters?

Did I state representing white people is bad?

I did state that mainly angry white christian males are supporting the GOP.

reply to post by PvtHudson


Seriously Bush inherited a recession? The recession didn't start till 2007?

Who was in charge in 2007?

Theres one thing that I have never understood about the Republican party.

The GOP always presents itself as the party of Jesus and of Christian values, yet at the core, the party is always in full support of the dog eat dog mentality. Where if you are somehow less fortunate or jobless at the moment or unhappy with your situation, that it all equates to everything being your fault and that no one should help you but yourself. These two ideologies are in direct conflict.

Now I am in no way oppesed to accountablity or personal responsibility ( I support those ideas), I just don't understand how the party always suggests one while using the other. Jesus never promoted the desire to become a financial success. Especially not at the expense of others as we see in the current US. Profits and Jesus are at odds with each other and I really don't see how people who vote Republican justify it to themselves. Christianity as a whole in the current United States has become a complete mess of what the religion is supposed to actually represent, but why continue to keep it muddied?

I can't be the only one scratching his head by this.

Yes the GOP is dying right in front of our eyes. I"m in my mid-20's and have supported the Republican party since I became eligible to vote. I never delved into specifics but i generally believed the GOP was for small government and all which that entails. I now realize that's not the case and I know I'm not the only one.

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The GOP always presents itself as the party of Jesus and of Christian values, yet at the core, the party is always in full support of the dog eat dog mentality. Where if you are somehow less fortunate or jobless at the moment or unhappy with your situation, that it all equates to everything being your fault and that no one should help you but yourself. These two ideologies are in direct conflict.

Because the problem that the extreme right wing has never really read the bible. Jesus was a liberal.

Now I am in no way oppesed to accountablity or personal responsibility ( I support those ideas), I just don't understand how the party always suggests one while using the other. Jesus never promoted the desire to become a financial success. Especially not at the expense of others as we see in the current US. Profits and Jesus are at odds with each other and I really don't see how people who vote Republican justify it to themselves. Christianity as a whole in the current United States has become a complete mess of what the religion is supposed to actually represent, but why continue to keep it muddied?

Religion and politics should have nothing to do with one another. They aren't compatible. Religion has it's place in a person's life if they choose that it's best for them, but it should never be used in any capacity to rule over the rest of the population, that isn't freedom, that's a theocracy.

And that's the biggest problem with the GOP, the bend towards a fascist theocracy.

Originally posted by GeorgiaGirl
I think you'd be surprised at how many Americans still have conservative values and favor a capitalism mindset over a more "progressive" one.

That is not surprising in the least. What is absolutely amazing and unbelievable though is that you think the GOP reflects anything resembling conservative and free market values. What GOP are you looking at? Maybe point me to a particular person in the party?

Originally posted by Carseller4
Bush was a leader, and like what he did or not, he did things because he thought they were best for the United States of America.

What are you on?

He was wrong and he failed. Which is why it amazes me that anyone would want to vote for a group of people vowing to try it again.

Also, how do you know WHY he did what he did? The end result was America was far worse off, oil companies were far better off.

Convince me you know his personal motivation.

Obama constantly apologizes for our country and thinks it should be brought down a notch.

Bush brought us to the bottom of the belt. Going around punching more countries in the face is not going to make things better. What Obama is doing means jack squat here. We are talking about the GOP. Unless the GOP is purely reactionary Obama has nothing to do with this.

Want to return to 4% unemployment, return to our AAA credit rating, return to under $2.00 a gallon gasoline? Yes we had all this under Bush and I WOULD like to return to that.

We also had $4.00 a gallon gas under Bush. Really want to pick and choose like that? The credit rating has effected me how? I have a great job now that I did not have 5 years ago when I was looking for work.

You are being so narrow. You act like Bush only did 3 things. How about a return to having our buildings attacked by foreign enemies? How about returning to that?

Originally posted by LDragonFire
reply to post by PvtHudson

 

Seriously Bush inherited a recession? The recession didn't start till 2007?

WRONG. Did you just get in to politics with Obama, or do you get all your information from biased sources? One or the other has to be true, because you have no knowledge of even recent history.

www.forbes.com...

Bears are still an endangered species. The authoritative Alexandria, Va.-based Blue Chip Economic Indicators Survey found only two prepared to raise their paws for a 1999 recession when it polled 50 leading forecasters in November. The consensus:3.5% real growth in 1999. But Blue Chip Executive Editor Randell E. Moore warns: "The consensus typically doesn't forecast recessions."

Lindsey's scenario -- growth slowing to a crawl and a mild recession -- doesn't sound ominous. Until you consider the stock market, that is.

Originally posted by Carseller4
War on Women?

Just mention Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann to any Democrat and then you will know what a War on Women is really about.

That makes no sense at all. Why do so many of you think that anyone that has a problem with Palin or Bachmann equates to hating women?
If you want to prevent women from having access to birth control, that is a war on WOMEN.
if you want to prevent Sarah Palin from having access to birth control, that is a war on Palin.
Hating, disliking, not being a huge fan of, ignoring, disregarding those two specific people has nothing to do with projecting anything onto ALL WOMEN.

Originally posted by LDragonFire
reply to post by Carseller4

 

Do the women of ATS believe Bachmann and Palin represent you?

Not even a little bit.
I do not know any HUMANS who feel these women represent them.

You know...I've just spent some time in a thread which was started by a self-described cadre; a professional Communist revolutionary. I feel a lot more comfortable in this thread.

I never, ever thought I'd say this, but I think I'm experiencing my first ever incident, where the idea of associating with conservatives is acting as a source of emotional security. I think I need a hug, at the moment...and a particularly right wing one, quite seriously.

Originally posted by sweetliberty
If someone didn't want to force the public to pay for someone else's contraceptives, do you think it would have the attention is does now?

This is only an issue because someone is trying to force the public to pay for contraceptives?
I do not believe you.
Who is this person and when did this happen?

Originally posted by xyankee
reply to post by LErickson

 

As bad as he was, and that was pretty bad, I would still rather have Bush than this piece of S*$#. At least we knew who Bush was and were he came from.

You are not paying attention or you cannot read. I did not say Bush was any better or any worse than Obama. I said that voting for either of the GOP candidates will be a return to Bush. No, Bush was not better than Obama. Things really really sucked when Bush left office. Unemployment was skyrocketing and gas was over 4 bucks a gallon. Personal liberties were being trampled left and right in the name of safety. I can go on and on. What is being offered? More of the same plus maybe we will ban pornography too.


It makes no sense to acknowledge how much things sucked under Bush and then claim to want things to get better by voting for Bush jr. round 2.

Originally posted by PvtHudson

Well no, this is a total revision of history. Bush was handed a recession and two major bubbles (Tech and housing), which all went down hill after 9/11. You seem to base all your opinions of left wing, democrat party propaganda.

Of course. Blame Bush will not work because it is still Clinton's fault with all the damage he did.

Originally posted by PvtHudson

Originally posted by LDragonFire
reply to post by Carseller4

 

Do the women of ATS believe Bachmann and Palin represent you?

So a "war on women" is ok, as long as the women on the right team?

Again, those two women are two specific people.
"Sarah Palin is a C***" only insults Sarah Palin.
"Women who use contraceptives are sluts" insults WOMEN.

When Palin ran for office, a man ran against her. Was he waging a campaign against women or Palin?

Also, you never addressed why you think representing white people is a bad thing. Whats wrong with being white or representing white voters?

What is the difference between a black voter and a white voter that needs representation?

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just spotted your avatar. Interesting speech by FDR...under the picture. How little have things changed since then. Surely even worsened. Makes you wonder...are we even making progress? Almost 80 years later...you could almost say the same thing. only the players change.

how sad and dissapointing

In my opinion, the GOP has placed too much emphasis on religious values, and with the exception of the libertarian leaning minority, has largely abandoned their efforts to stifle government growth and adopt fiscally responsible policies.

Rather than unite their members, they've alienated many based solely on social issues, and this will lead to the eventual death of that party. In my case, I went from county and state Republican Executive committee member to FORMER GOP member because the party no longer represents me or my beliefs. Unfortunately the democrats are just as clueless when it comes to uniting the general population and attracting your average American voter.

Republican or Democrat, they're both corrupt and need to be replaced.

They wish to dwell on 40% Americans being conservative, yet almost 60% of Americans are not conservative.

Generally speaking when I hear a Conservative running on a value campaign, I get the feeling they have no experience in government or any other area of expertise that will serve the people. Look at how the poorest state in the US Mississippi are working on legislating abortion, instead of economic growth or the economy. I personally feel abortion is between the woman her doctor and god and its none of my business, yet they wish to legislate there beliefs and this is where they come into conflict with the 60% or majority of Americans that don't support thee values or moral campaigns.

I love how people still think their votes count.

The reason the GOP race has been such a train wreck is because when Bilderberg chose
Obama to be POTUS, they chose him to be a two term President. The train wreck has been
orchestrated to preserve the illusion that you get to have a say in your "leaders."
Having a motley crew of unelectable goons parading across the nation with their far right religious
conservatism spraying through mouthfuls of pancakes and cheesy grits, makes the belief that
"Obama won fair and square" a much easier pill to swallow.

There are no lefties or righties. There are only those who understand how the system works, and
those who don't.