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posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 11:24 AM
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Catering to old angry white men might win you a mid term election, but will insure failure in a presidential race.

Catering to old angry white guys and the religious will also not win you a presidential election, and as we can all see this group of Republicans running for president are only appealing to these old angry white guys and the religious most of these people are baby boomers and live in the south.

The GOP's right leanings have all but insured they will lose this upcoming election and most likely they will lose big.

The need to attack Obama at all costs and on any issue has alienated major demographic groups like Women, Blacks, and Latinos, and Muslim Americans

The GOP no longer has support of women because of the contraception debate, watching old white guys sitting in congress with testimony over the contraception debate has destroyed most support they would have gotten from women and its justifiably so.

The GOP fascist stand on illegal immigration and GOP state governments illegal immigration legislation have seriously weaken any support they may get from Latino voters. The hint of racial motivations in these policies might motivate the angry old white guys to vote but it effectively limits the support from both Black and Latino voters.

In my opinion the GOP must adapt to the current political climate, but at this point they don't seem to have a clue of what its going to take to win. Attempting to motivate the voters by bashing Obama and limiting the right of minorities (gays) will not motivate the majority to your side. However by there actions they are motivating the populace against them.

Too many Good Americans are being attacked by the GOP, and Americans are waking up to the fact that a vote for Republicans is a vote against there best interests and this can be proven as fact.

The GOP needs to overhaul its whole message, they need to re-brand this party to cater to all Americans and not just religious baby boomers and the wealthy, if they don't the GOP will fade as the baby boomers decrease in numbers each month.

Will they adapt to the ever changing political climate or continue the course they have set?




posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 11:49 AM
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Recent opinion pieces have drawn attention to the lower-than-expected voter turnout trends evident this primary season. After an increase in turnout in the first three contests, recent contests have been much more variable. Twelve of the twenty-one primaries that have taken place so far had turnout numbers that lagged well behind those witnessed in 2008. South Carolina is an exception early in this election cycle, with 39% more ballots cast than in the 2008 Republican primary. Recent primaries in Vermont and Kansas also saw large numbers turning out, surpassing the numbers that turned out in 2008. In Florida, there was a turnout decline of 14.7% between 2008 and 2012. Very large drops in turnout were observed in Nevada, Minnesota, Arizona, Massachusetts and Oklahoma. There were 45.7% fewer voters at the polls for the Virginia Republican primary in 2012 compared with 2008, 64.3% fewer voters in Idaho in 2012 than in the 2008 race and an astounding 90.4% fewer voters in Washington’s caucuses in 2012 compared to 2008. When combining all contests, overall turnout in all these states is 10.5% lower than turnout in 2008. What explains these low numbers of Republican primary voters?

Why low Republican turnout

If they can't motivate Republicans for there own primaries how are they gonna motivate anyone to vote for them in the general election? Frankly speaking the core Republican message are falling on deaf ears. There record of achievements is also hurting there chances of a win in November.



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 12:21 PM
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I love how your biggest gripe seems to revolve around skin color. Your race hating post is nothing but the same hate and vitriol we see the mass media and Democrat party inciting on a daily basis. This is your only strategy because the economy is in the tank, the deficit has quadrupedal in half the time it took Bush, unemployment is sky high and gas prices are exploding.



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 12:42 PM
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Thankfully the GOP likes to think of people as individuals, and not lump them into groups.

The GOP realizes that most women are smart enough to know that the low price of gasoline, availability of jobs, the ability to keep more of what they earn, are much more important than destroying the 1st amendment just to get free birth control.

The GOP also realizes that most Hispanics are here legally, many of them actually went through the process to become legal Americans and resent the outright laziness and lawlessness of their own kind to subvert the system.

African Americans will not turn out in the same numbers as they did in 2008. The excitement is gone, unemployment is twice the rate for this group than average. Some are going to realize that Herman Cain, Clarence Thomas, and Allen West are much better role models than Obama, Jessie Jackson, and Eric Holder.

I was very, very young during the Jimmy Carter debacle. Obama is making the same mistakes as Carter, and Obama is not even half the leader Carter was.

This all adds up to Obama being a 1-Term President regardless of who the GOP chooses.
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posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by LDragonFire
The GOP no longer has support of women because of the contraception debate


American women want better jobs and cheaper gas & groceries to help their families, not free birth control. Getting free birth control isn't going to fill up the gas tank, put food on the table, or help their kids do better in school. I think for the most part these sideshow sham outrages are seen for what they are by women in the United States. At any rate these debates aren't helping the Democratic party with women.



Poll: Obama down among female voters from 2008 results

Despite a significant outreach effort to female voters and Democratic accusations of a GOP 'war on women,' a new Bloomberg poll shows Obama losing ground among women from his 2008 vote share.

www.politico.com...



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by PvtHudson
I love how your biggest gripe seems to revolve around skin color. Your race hating post is nothing but the same hate and vitriol we see the mass media and Democrat party inciting on a daily basis. This is your only strategy because the economy is in the tank, the deficit has quadrupedal in half the time it took Bush, unemployment is sky high and gas prices are exploding.


It is what it is.

Bush had a good economy bringing in good tax revenues, but under Bush this all went south because of there failed policies.

The economy crashed under Republican rule, this is something people like to leave out, yet somehow its Democrats fault.

This administration has suffered less tax revenue than former administration, this has been especially painful at state and local levels. Republicans have also decided it was better to fight this administration rather than come together to solve problems. Oh and there are signs the economy is getting better, even Romney admits to that.



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by LDragonFire

Originally posted by PvtHudson
I love how your biggest gripe seems to revolve around skin color. Your race hating post is nothing but the same hate and vitriol we see the mass media and Democrat party inciting on a daily basis. This is your only strategy because the economy is in the tank, the deficit has quadrupedal in half the time it took Bush, unemployment is sky high and gas prices are exploding.


It is what it is.

Bush had a good economy bringing in good tax revenues, but under Bush this all went south because of there failed policies.

The economy crashed under Republican rule, this is something people like to leave out, yet somehow its Democrats fault.

This administration has suffered less tax revenue than former administration, this has been especially painful at state and local levels. Republicans have also decided it was better to fight this administration rather than come together to solve problems. Oh and there are signs the economy is getting better, even Romney admits to that.


Don't think "Blame Bush" is going to fly in 2012.

If I had 6 trillion to spend and 3 1/2 years, the economy would be through the roof. Obama cannot say the same.



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 01:12 PM
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Originally posted by Carseller4
Don't think "Blame Bush" is going to fly in 2012.


Why not?
Are you suggesting Bush was a good president that people would like to have in office for 8 more years?
Because the difference between the current GOP and Bush is pretty hard to find. All the scary crap that made me hate Bush is all the same crap the GOP is running on now.

It makes perfect sense. Remember what it was like under Bush? Want to return to that?



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 01:20 PM
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You are doing a lot of generalizing about who you think the GOP is. And I think you are mistaken with many of your stereotypes.

I am a conservative woman, and most of my friends and family are conservative. We aren't "angry white men" (well, most of us aren't
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I think you'd be surprised at how many Americans still have conservative values and favor a capitalism mindset over a more "progressive" one.

You can't always tell from watching the media, and you certainly can't tell from reading many of the threads here on ATS, but more Americans identify themselves as "conservative" than "moderate" or "liberal":

Americans' political ideology at the midyear point of 2011 looks similar to 2009 and 2010, with 41% self-identifying as conservative, 36% as moderate, and 21% as liberal.
www.gallup.com... And that is straight from Gallup.

So yes, the current field of GOP candidates is no one's "dream team", and I'm not too pleased with our prospects for the general election, but conservatism is FAR from dead. Definitely NOT headed toward "oblivion".



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 01:21 PM
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posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by LErickson

Originally posted by Carseller4
Don't think "Blame Bush" is going to fly in 2012.


Why not?
Are you suggesting Bush was a good president that people would like to have in office for 8 more years?
Because the difference between the current GOP and Bush is pretty hard to find. All the scary crap that made me hate Bush is all the same crap the GOP is running on now.

It makes perfect sense. Remember what it was like under Bush? Want to return to that?


Bush was a leader, and like what he did or not, he did things because he thought they were best for the United States of America. Obama constantly apologizes for our country and thinks it should be brought down a notch.

Want to return to 4% unemployment, return to our AAA credit rating, return to under $2.00 a gallon gasoline? Yes we had all this under Bush and I WOULD like to return to that.



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by Indigo5
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War on Women?

Just mention Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann to any Democrat and then you will know what a War on Women is really about.



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by Carseller4

Originally posted by LDragonFire

Originally posted by PvtHudson
I love how your biggest gripe seems to revolve around skin color. Your race hating post is nothing but the same hate and vitriol we see the mass media and Democrat party inciting on a daily basis. This is your only strategy because the economy is in the tank, the deficit has quadrupedal in half the time it took Bush, unemployment is sky high and gas prices are exploding.


It is what it is.

Bush had a good economy bringing in good tax revenues, but under Bush this all went south because of there failed policies.

The economy crashed under Republican rule, this is something people like to leave out, yet somehow its Democrats fault.

This administration has suffered less tax revenue than former administration, this has been especially painful at state and local levels. Republicans have also decided it was better to fight this administration rather than come together to solve problems. Oh and there are signs the economy is getting better, even Romney admits to that.


Don't think "Blame Bush" is going to fly in 2012.

If I had 6 trillion to spend and 3 1/2 years, the economy would be through the roof. Obama cannot say the same.


You would spend it cleaning up an economic collapse and trying to get out of two long expensive wars just like he did. You do notice nobody has ever tried to come up with what they would have done because almost nobody has ever had to deal with such a huge mess coming into office. I do not see anybody doing any better or worse, the course was pretty much set whomever came into office.

As for the topic of the GOP, it is a huge mess. The big problem came from the Tea Party. They were loud and went out to vote so the GOP catered to them and some stilll do. The problem is that alienated the GOP center and the independents. The mess the primary is in is pretty much just a GOP civil war. I honestly expect a split in the party and some of it to walk away. I do not think it will die, it will just have to clean house of the far right nut jobs and aim for 2016 with a more centerest agenda. It also has to decide if it wants smaller government or it wants more governement to regulate its view of morality.



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by GeorgiaGirl

Americans' political ideology at the midyear point of 2011 looks similar to 2009 and 2010, with 41% self-identifying as conservative, 36% as moderate, and 21% as liberal.
www.gallup.com... And that is straight from Gallup.

So yes, the current field of GOP candidates is no one's "dream team", and I'm not too pleased with our prospects for the general election, but conservatism is FAR from dead. Definitely NOT headed toward "oblivion".


OK first off "conservatism" is not dead, nor heading toward Oblivion...but the GOP sure are, just like the headline states.

Secondly, there is a more recent Gallup poll than the one you cite...
40% Conservative
35% Moderate
17% Liberal

The issue is that 20% of those "Conservatives" consider the other 20% of Conservatives, plus the 35% of self identified moderates and certainlly the 17% self identified Liberals...ALL RINO, Socialist, Communist, gay loving, baby killing pigs!!!!!

Don't believe me? Just look at what the GOP Nominees call eachother.

The GOP is dancing on the farthest edge of the far right and attacking large swaths of thier former voting base.

Conservatism has great value, the contemporary GOP?? Definetly headed toward Oblivion.


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posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 01:40 PM
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The republicans already sealed the deal this election by showing their true colors SO MANY times already. Their true colors STINK BADLY to every voter except "angry old white guys" and "religious folks" (mostly from the south since every other part of the country actually is EVOLVING beyond dark-age superstitions and fairy-tales).


[color=gold]These are the two most STUBBORN types of people on the planet. When the religious folks wake up one day, they too will see the true colors of the republicans. Then the republicans will have ONLY the "angry old white guys" left on their side. Then, when the NON-wealthy "angry old white guys" wake up, the republicans will be left with the ONLY ones whom they really represent: the [color=limegreen]SUPER wealthy.


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posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 01:42 PM
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Do the women of ATS believe Bachmann and Palin represent you?



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 01:45 PM
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Actual conservative ideals aren't bad. What is bad is when the GOP pushes the extreme messages they have been lately.

Things like, less regulations & laws, promote freedom. But the GOP isn't for this, while on one hand they want to deregulate business, on the other, they want to ban abortion, and limit the freedoms of whole demographics of people based solely on their sexual preference. Something that goes against the real conservative ideals of individual liberty.

When the GOP attack groups like Muslims simply for being Muslim, they are forgetting that one of the ideals this country was founded on was religious freedom without government intervention. This is a good idea, but the GOP has twisted this in order to alienate anyone not of the Christian faith.

When the GOP attack things like Affirmative Action, the ideals are sound, what they want is real equality for all. The way they screw this up is when it's equality for all, but special privilege for the wealthy. Then they kinda loose the message.

A lot of the problem the GOP is having right now like the OP states is that they are just attacking Obama without really putting forward genuine ideas to fix what is wrong in this country. And what they want to fix, isn't actually broken.



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by LDragonFire
Catering to old angry white men might win you a mid term election, but will insure failure in a presidential race.

Catering to old angry white guys and the religious will also not win you a presidential election, and as we can all see this group of Republicans running for president are only appealing to these old angry white guys and the religious most of these people are baby boomers and live in the south.


I wouldn't be so sure. Unfortunately, it's worked out fairly well for them in the past. Are you at all familiar with the composition of the legislative branch, irrespective of party? The American Senate could fairly be referred to as a mausoleum.


The need to attack Obama at all costs and on any issue has alienated major demographic groups like Women, Blacks, and Latinos, and Muslim Americans


The GOP have always been the geriatric, fundamentalist Christian, white supremacist fascists' party. The only women they care about are white female jocks with large breasts, who are attracted to guns, warmongering, spousal abuse, and alcoholism because they think those things are associated with masculinity.



The Republican Party anthem, in my book. I'd seriously pay good money to see Sarah Palin sing this song.


Too many Good Americans are being attacked by the GOP, and Americans are waking up to the fact that a vote for Republicans is a vote against there best interests and this can be proven as fact.


The Republican Party are the literal vanguard of Hell. That's their job. I'd be worried if they weren't being as transparently evil as possible. It's what they do.


Will they adapt to the ever changing political climate or continue the course they have set?


Do you really even need to ask?

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posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 01:47 PM
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Women...



An Associated Press-GfK poll conducted in February showed Obama's approval rating improving, and gaining with women who give him more credit than men for the strengthening economy.

His support between December and February climbed 10 percentage points among women.

A Washington Post/Pew poll released this week showed that Obama was even gaining among white women, a group he lost in 2008. In January, white women preferred Romney 50-44 percent, according to Doherty of the Pew Research Center. By February, Obama had taken the lead, with 52 percent of white women saying they preferred the president to Romney, who had fallen to 46 percent.


Latinos

GOP Hopefuls Losing Ground to Obama Among Latinos, Poll Says
Read more: latino.foxnews.com...

Independants

President Recapturing Groups Won by G.O.P. in 2010
the latest New York Times/CBS News poll found him faring well against the top Republican candidates among some important groups that abandoned Congressional Democrats in 2010.
www.nytimes.com...


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posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 02:46 PM
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Wow.

While I am not a liberal, I do not HATE liberals, think liberals are stupid, or stereotype ALL liberals as one way or the other.

However, it seems that many of the comments on this thread about conservatives and Republicans are full of outright hatred and ridicule, with a generous helping of sterotyping.

I'd think we could discuss politics without resorting to such contempt.

The rhetoric I see here saddens me.



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