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Originally posted by michaelbrux
yes...but even the most advanced still talk like a machine.
i suspect i've encountered AI in a couple of situations...you never really know if its AI until you've interacted with it for a while.
it will eventually reveal itself to be a machine.
here are a couple of things i've noticed about thinking machine via my encounter with AI on the internet.
Machines always have a response...human beings do not.
Machines don't have nuance...all things are on or off, black or white...
Originally posted by TWISTEDWORDS
I still don't think it would possible with our technology today. C, C++, C#, VB...etc....can't do it. It's all functions and event driven now. It's basically cause and effect programming now.
It would have to be a different programming language than we use today.
It would have to be something different than using logic and math. Math can't use common sense and that's the barrier.
Originally posted by TWISTEDWORDS
I still don't think it would possible with our technology today. C, C++, C#, VB...etc....can't do it. It's all functions and event driven now. It's basically cause and effect programming now.
Originally posted by andersensrm
Originally posted by intrptr
reply to post by andersensrm
"Thinking" as you put it can really be just recall of data to reach a decision about some question. Computers do that quite well. Better than humans by far.
"Knowing" is something altogether different. A computer will never know that it knows. The best a computer program can ever do is execute the next instruction.
Despite what the "Arty - Int" teams proclaim, the best they will ever be able to program a computer to do will be... to execute the next instruction.
How do we know this is the best we can do? Whats to say that changes in the next 100 years? Hypothetically, lets just say we've created it. A living machine/robot, that "knows" it's alive, "thinks" by recalling past experiences, and learns as we do. Is it still a machine at this point?
Originally posted by TWISTEDWORDS
reply to post by camus154
Oh I understand object oriented programming, but tell my this. Launch .Net 4.0 and try to do anything in it that is not event driven programming now. You can't.....All you can do is right functions and do event driven programming. I know I am in the middle of 10000 lines of code right now in it.
Originally posted by andersensrm
Don't know if I put this in the right section.
Anyways I was reading this article:
plato.stanford.edu...
And it made me think of artificial intelligence and whether machines can do things as we do. In the article it is presented that Descartes believes that it is impossible for a machine to do things as humans do. Basically he's saying that it is impossible, impractical, to essentially "program" every response to every situation. That in reality, we as humans, take what is given to us, and think about our answer, as opposed to grabbing the answer from a pool that was given to you ahead of time in case you came across this question.
So to the point of the thread
This was a long time ago and we've greatly increased our technological capacity. The question I have is this. If we create a machine/computer capable of thinking on its own, is it still a machine or computer or something else entirely?
"real knowledge is knowing that i really don't know anything and others who i know don't even know that"...Socrates 469 bc-399 bc
Originally posted by intrptr
reply to post by andersensrm
"Thinking" as you put it can really be just recall of data to reach a decision about some question. Computers do that quite well. Better than humans by far.
"Knowing" is something altogether different. A computer will never know that it knows. The best a computer program can ever do is execute the next instruction.
Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by intrptr
A robot is a machine of any shape and size that performs the same task over and over,like a robot welder in a car manufacturing plant..
A cyborg is part machine and part human,like the bionic man from the six million dollar man,or the borg from star trek,both of them are cyborgs...
An android is all machine,with human proportions,like c3po from star wars,who is a male android with a super advanced computer for a brain,a gynoid is a female android...
edit on 20-3-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)
Humanity has gone from using and relying upon horse drawn carriages and wagons in 1900,to designing,building and using the first nuclear powered aircraft carrier in 1961,in only 60 years! So it probably wont take us very much longer until we create a machine thats capable of thinking on its own...
Originally posted by TWISTEDWORDS
Do you know how much programming it would take to just make artificial wrist and hand? It would take millions of lines of code just for the one simple function you use everyday. It's amazing what your brain can do, but you only understand it when you program and then you truly appreciate our brains.
America reveals its latest functioning artificial intelligence every time another president is voted into office (*_*)
Originally posted by ILikeStars
I wonder how long America will keep their artificial intelligence under wraps.
I wonder if America's very high functioning artificial intelligence is allowed to vote, or is just already running the show.
Or sometimes I just wonder about weird sci-fi stuff that either is or is not real somewhere sometime.
Ah, what do I know.
you have to tell the application everything to do, you even have to account for human beings clicking on things they shouldn't and you have to program that as well(it's called over-runs). Machines only do what they are told and nothing more. I only wish sometimes they could think as it would make my job a whole lot easier programming machines, because sometimes you want to kick them as they can't do the simplest things your brain can do everyday.
Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by intrptr
I was just explaining the technological progression from robots,to cyborgs,to androids and androids are machines of human proportions,with super advanced computers for brains,they have thoughts and they are capable of thinking on their own,like C3PO...