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posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 07:51 PM
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Aethists, when you 'define' "Christians" by the chracteristics of one sect, you wear your ignorance like a crown. Christ, and God never intended for men to take a gift, redefine it, rewrap it use it to get money. YES, organized religion is a poorly defined money making machine. You may not believe in God, but unless you're a shallow, narrow minded fool, you can envision the concept. Do you think your own parent gives birth to you so you can make money for them?

Herein lies part of the problem. The church wants to preach to the rest of us, but they won't take care of their own internal problems. Like money grubbing pastors, board members, and TV preachers. I hear christians talk about knowing what these people are doing is wrong, but I still see people pouring money into the same church they know is corrupt from the top down. That makes you "partakers" with those who are liars, con men, and fakes. These are the people who have come to represent God and Christ to the world. If you want the perception of unbelievers to change toward christianity, you're going to have to distance yourselves from these thieves, and clean up your own house before you can tell the "lost" to clean up theirs.

Good luck with that.




posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 07:53 PM
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Another militant OP for a religious thread, devoid of what it should be all about: love and wisdom.

Why be so offended and aggressive if you have a firm grip on your beliefs? Why care what others think of you if your ego isn't inflated? I'm sorry, but whenever I read these kinds of posts I see nothing more than a cornered rat, when I should be seeing something more akin to open arms.

Fine, you want to say your kind of Christian is not like some other sects of Christianity. Good for you I suppose. You're still being a hypocrite by braiding people into groups, in a thread trying to tell those same people not to braid you and others like you into groups. To elaborate: not all Atheists and other non-Christians think all Christians are ignorant idiots but you braided them together with the ones that do, and here you are saying that Atheists and so on should not braid all the types of Christians together because you believe some Christians are "corrupt" (in other words, ignorant idiots).

Well done coming full circle. You've accomplished nothing here.

And don't present your beliefs as the full truth and assume everyone else is wrong. You will never convince anyone that way, and you grow increasingly arrogant by it (something you didn't want to be accused of). People will walk a spiritual or religious path when and if they choose to, and when they are ready. You must respect that, or you fail at being a compassionate, loving being. Love and wisdom is supposed to be at the centre of every religion and spiritual way, not "I'm right and you're wrong." -- that's at the centre of everyone's ego -- so speak on love and wisdom or not at all.

We are all divinely inspired if we choose to be. Don't sell yourself or others short, we're magnificent but humble beings deep inside.

Peace and take care.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 08:05 PM
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TextChristians need to stop throwing their bibles at me, being arrogant snots, and letting priests molest children


I stopped reading hear because you have severe issues if you think because we are Christian we allow priests to molest children . If you said that to my face I would most certainly stick my finger in your eye as a matter of fact I would give you a MOE , LARRY and stick both eyes . It is by far one of the most ignorant nonsensical insults thrown at a group of people , ever. Get a life and a brain to go with it.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by threewhiteeyes
reply to post by Ex_CT2
 


Are...you..serious?

I am referring to X other threads where people ignorantly group all christians together. Where people discredit a book divinly inspired. The latter is fine, because belief in one is required to believe or understand the other. I wanted to stress THAT; I'm not telling ANYONE they HAVE to believe ANY book.

No I'm not serious, for Pete's sake. Just happened to stop by and thought I'd be clever. I have continued to follow the thread with some interest. Please: Everyone continue. Don't mind me. Sorry....



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 08:26 PM
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Originally posted by Awen24
So... I have a brief response to the OP. Bear in mind, I also am a Christian. Like you, I wouldn't ascribe to any one denomination, but hold Scripture as the highest authority.

...however, my question to you is...

why should the world, atheists or otherwise, play by our rules?


Our rules? What rules do we have?

I didn't know we had rules.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 08:47 PM
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I mean if you were in jesus time and he did those crazy "miracleS" ,would you not believe ? Of course you would .


I'm not so sure about that Chucky. Judas walked with Christ for 3 years and saw most everything if not all of it and he traded Christ for 30 pieces of silver like He was a pack of baseball cards. Also Christ complains to a crowd following Him that they are only doing so because He feeds them, not because He does miracles in their midst. The Scribes and Pharisees saw the same miracles but claimed Jesus only did them with the power of the devil and not the Holy Spirit.

Seeing miracles happen doesn't lead to faith.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 08:50 PM
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Originally posted by Azadok
reply to post by threewhiteeyes
 





TextChristians need to stop throwing their bibles at me, being arrogant snots, and letting priests molest children


I stopped reading hear because you have severe issues if you think because we are Christian we allow priests to molest children . If you said that to my face I would most certainly stick my finger in your eye as a matter of fact I would give you a MOE , LARRY and stick both eyes . It is by far one of the most ignorant nonsensical insults thrown at a group of people , ever. Get a life and a brain to go with it.


Yeah, you should have kept reading.

You. Missed. Everything.

Go back to the OP, and this time read it.

The OP IS a Christian.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by seedofchucky
 



I mean if you were in jesus time and he did those crazy "miracleS" ,would you not believe ? Of course you would .


I'm not so sure about that Chucky. Judas walked with Christ for 3 years and saw most everything if not all of it and he traded Christ for 30 pieces of silver like He was a pack of baseball cards. Also Christ complains to a crowd following Him that they are only doing so because He feeds them, not because He does miracles in their midst. The Scribes and Pharisees saw the same miracles but claimed Jesus only did them with the power of the devil and not the Holy Spirit.

Seeing miracles happen doesn't lead to faith.



True that


But...

29Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.




posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 09:09 PM
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Well then clearly judas , had some sort of mental condition , that did not allow him to fully grasp , who he was chilling with .

When your walking around with some dude who




1. Calming the storm – Matthew 8:23-27; Mark 4:37-41; Luke 8:22-25

2. Feeding 5,000 - Matthew 14:14-21; Mark 6:30-44; Luke 9:10-17; John 6:1-14

3. Walking on water - Matthew 14:22-32; Mark 6:47-52; John 6:16-21

4. Feeding 4,000 – Matthew 15:32-39; Mark 8:1-9

5. Fish with coin – Matthew 17:24-27

6. Fig tree withers – Matthew 21:18-22; Mark 11:12-14, 20-25

7. Huge catch of fish – Luke 5:4-11; John 21:1-11

8. Water into wine – John 2:1-11

Healing of Individuals

1. Man with leprosy – Matthew 8:1-4; Mark 1:40-44; Luke 5:12-14

2. Roman centurion’s servant – Matthew 8:5-13; Luke 7:1-10

3. Peter’s mother-in-law – Matthew 8:14-15; Mark 1:30-31; Luke 4:38-39



www.faithclipart.com...

etc , even if 10 percent were true. This guy was walking around with jesus and seen him do things no man could do , yet still bait him out for some coins ? lol Clearly , mental disorder that didn't allow him to grasp the weight of the situation at hand.


Reminds me of the foolish jews , Who witness moses miracles , stick to snake , split sea , red water , things falling outta the sky , etc etc ..
yet a whole group of people , still made a golden idol . Not all of them believed . But many of them played in on it , and totally dismissed the miracles that they were part of ...
makes no sense does it ? , only reason it doesn't make sense is because there are problems , consistency like that.


It takes alot to , come around and say hey , god sent me . For you to pull of things that no other human , can and be eye witness to it . I can convert the world.

people of that time got a freebie and got to check it out , now here we are debating the role of that man . What did you expect to happen when you show the answers , to a handful of people.




Also Christ complains to a crowd following Him that they are only doing so because He feeds them


Then why not have a rule at the very start ? No intervention , No miracles , just take my word for it ? Was it really a surprise people only followed him for goodies , freebies and miracles?

Why give the lion a taste of the steak , if you don't want him to ask for more of it ? That's what the philosphical right thing would be to do , I would say sorry , its not fair for future generations , who don't get miracles , and you guys do ..


its cheating.





eing miracles happen doesn't lead to faith.


You wanan bet ? Can you ask your god to give me miracle power just for a day ?

One single day . I'll convert more then christianity islam , judism , hindiuism combined. In a single day...

Just one day , is all i need




posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 09:10 PM
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Originally posted by threewhiteeyes

Originally posted by RomeByFire

Originally posted by threewhiteeyes
reply to post by FissionSurplus
 

Please point to one insult. One snippy attack.

I didn't expec you to see anything, honestly. I am erasing the dense generalizations constantly thrown before me.

When did I once- actually, whatever. You either understood my message or you didn't. That's what this is about.


Hey - man, you said this.

"I would gladly elaborate, but I know 75% you don't like to read unless you see purty picksures. Likely the same group denying the Truth before bothering to really try and understand it."
You're a Christian, congratulations. Would you look a cookie because you don't "deny the Truth and you understand it?"

Can you see Jesus from up there? Get of your high horse...

more comprehension failure. High horse...congratulations. You didn't understand anything, yet pick out one sentence to base your error. How am I on a high horse? I'm no longer responding to whiny comments about what you perceive to be insult. This was posted to clear up blatant misunderstanding.


Thank you for proving my point.

How are you on a high horse?

Because in your opinion everyone elses' logic is flawed and yours is the only one that is "normal" That's why.

EDIT: Oh, and I must add a quote you should think about. "I like your Christ. I don't like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ."

You're a bigot, go ahead and deny it - it just shows you are. You are blind to your biggest fault, you're intolerable and quite frankly - immature.
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posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 09:51 PM
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Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by threewhiteeyes
 


this quote...


The Holy Bible was written with men's hands, but, they were guided by the Holy Spirit. If you don't believe in one, then don't bother mentioning the other.


And you grouped Athiests in with those you call fools... I've seen many "Athiests" that know their scripture far better then many so called "christians" do... They're usually Atheist for a reason... but it doesn't mean they don't know your book just as well if not better then you might. Nor does it mean that at some point in their future God won't give them the evidence they need to believe in him.

Also as Americanpitbull (or whatever his name is) pointed out... As a Christian you're required to love the people you're rippin about either way...

Judge not my friend...


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I have a feeling Ill be repeating myself quite a bit tonight.
When did I call ANY aethiest a fool?
Who am I ripping on?
Who said I didn't love anyone? Please refer to op when answering these.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 09:57 PM
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Dude, what else do you want me to say? Yes, the entire Bible is full of examples of God doing amazing things right in front of people's eyes and they still chose unbelief. Thanks for the example from Moses, the same was true thousands of years before Christ. Even the angels, they sang for joy watching God call all of creation into existence with a spoken sentence, yet 1/3 still rebelled and thought they could do better without God.

Seeing God work for yourself doesn't automatically result in faith. For many it does, for most, no it doesn't. If Jesus came and did those same miracles today you'd still have people looking for natural explanations for all of it. Same as the first time He came and did those things. People didn't glorify God, they accused Him of having a demon.




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posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by Awen24
So... I have a brief response to the OP. Bear in mind, I also am a Christian. Like you, I wouldn't ascribe to any one denomination, but hold Scripture as the highest authority.

...however, my question to you is...

why should the world, atheists or otherwise, play by our rules?
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Sigh of relief. Finally conversation bereft of misunderstanding initial op.

No one would be required to respect or observe my concern, naturally. Any reasonable arguement, however, wouldn't group christians as a whole. Or aethists, as I have been accused of doing here, to my sustained disapointment. I'm calling on those that do

I know of brilliant aethists, and they can't help but agree with my op. There's NO logic in accusing a Lutheran of listening to a pedophile PRIEST, or CATHOLIC agent.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 10:07 PM
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I have a feeling Ill be repeating myself quite a bit tonight.


You're kinda new here, let me be the first to tell you that you're gonna have to get used to that. Most people will not directly address what you actually say, but what they feel you meant to say, or they wanted you to say.

Heck, last year in these very forums I had a member take my post, edit it to make it say the exact opposite of what I originally said, then tried to ridicule me for the quote they themselves invented. And this purposeful deception came from someone who calls themselves a Christian!!!



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by AtlantisX99

Originally posted by threewhiteeyes
reply to post by FissionSurplus
 

Please point to one insult. One snippy attack.

I didn't expec you to see anything, honestly. I am erasing the dense generalizations constantly thrown before me.

When did I once- actually, whatever. You either understood my message or you didn't. That's what this is about.


Allow me:


Originally posted by threewhiteeyes
you'll think the same for the other. In such a case, just leave it out of your arguement, because you don't understand it. Aethists, nihlists and fools have PLENTY of people to speak for them. Please send the smart ones.


This is you, talking down to the people who do not share you're particular brand of belief. Talking down to someone is insulting.


Originally posted by threewhiteeyes
I would gladly elaborate, but I know 75% you don't like to read unless you see purty picksures.


Oh look, you did it again. Insulting.

You see, you are doing exactly what you are accusing people of. You complain because people make negative comments and accusations but you, point at those that disagree with you and you imply they are fools?


Despite you referring to yourself as a 'Christian' and implying that you are a 'True Christian' as you do not belong to an organised denomination, that you state that not all Christians are the same and should not be compared to oneanother (or indeed persecuted by the negative actions of other Christians) you, the so called 'True Christian' are doing EXACTLY THAT to all the people that do not agree with you / support you. VERY Christian
Not all non-christians attack christians, fact. Learn it, remember it.

I would finish by challenging your implied 'True Christian' status. IF the word is the spirit as you so suggest, the word states:

Matthew 5:39 - "but I say unto you, Resist not him that is evil: but whosoever smiteth thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."

That's what the word says. Look it up if you so desire, but the point is; you are not doing this, you are doing the opposite. Perhaps your spirit has indeed strayed from the word and perhaps, that is something you should
spend time considering, rather than insulting those who do not share your personal beliefs.

Peace.
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This is just getting old. 'Aethists....AND fools'. I did not state they are the same, hence, the commas. Are you
denying fools exist?

75%..etc...No? People don't use 'wall of text' to justify ignoring content? I will never be a politician. People only acknowledge what they can contort to fortify belief as a whole, as opposed to comprehending a message. Maybe not all people.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by AtlantisX99

Originally posted by threewhiteeyes
reply to post by FissionSurplus
 

Please point to one insult. One snippy attack.

I didn't expec you to see anything, honestly. I am erasing the dense generalizations constantly thrown before me.

When did I once- actually, whatever. You either understood my message or you didn't. That's what this is about.


Allow me:


Originally posted by threewhiteeyes
you'll think the same for the other. In such a case, just leave it out of your arguement, because you don't understand it. Aethists, nihlists and fools have PLENTY of people to speak for them. Please send the smart ones.


This is you, talking down to the people who do not share you're particular brand of belief. Talking down to someone is insulting.


Originally posted by threewhiteeyes
I would gladly elaborate, but I know 75% you don't like to read unless you see purty picksures.


Oh look, you did it again. Insulting.

You see, you are doing exactly what you are accusing people of. You complain because people make negative comments and accusations but you, point at those that disagree with you and you imply they are fools?


Despite you referring to yourself as a 'Christian' and implying that you are a 'True Christian' as you do not belong to an organised denomination, that you state that not all Christians are the same and should not be compared to oneanother (or indeed persecuted by the negative actions of other Christians) you, the so called 'True Christian' are doing EXACTLY THAT to all the people that do not agree with you / support you. VERY Christian
Not all non-christians attack christians, fact. Learn it, remember it.

I would finish by challenging your implied 'True Christian' status. IF the word is the spirit as you so suggest, the word states:

Matthew 5:39 - "but I say unto you, Resist not him that is evil: but whosoever smiteth thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."

That's what the word says. Look it up if you so desire, but the point is; you are not doing this, you are doing the opposite. Perhaps your spirit has indeed strayed from the word and perhaps, that is something you should spend time considering, rather than insulting those who do not share your personal beliefs.

Peace.
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My implied true christian status...who do not share my- are you SERIOUS? please reread op.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 10:15 PM
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Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by seedofchucky
 



I mean if you were in jesus time and he did those crazy "miracleS" ,would you not believe ? Of course you would .


I'm not so sure about that Chucky. Judas walked with Christ for 3 years and saw most everything if not all of it and he traded Christ for 30 pieces of silver like He was a pack of baseball cards. Also Christ complains to a crowd following Him that they are only doing so because He feeds them, not because He does miracles in their midst. The Scribes and Pharisees saw the same miracles but claimed Jesus only did them with the power of the devil and not the Holy Spirit.

Seeing miracles happen doesn't lead to faith.



True that


But...

29Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.



Yes, yes, and also when Christ is praying, He prays for the disciples, and then says:

“Neither do I pray only for them (disciples), but also for these who are trusting in me by their (the disciples) word,”

John 17:20



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 10:18 PM
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Originally posted by seedofchucky
reply to post by threewhiteeyes
 





Then, there are 'Christians'. Finally, like me, people who believe wholeheartedly in Jesus Christ


Now im no christian , but there're so many sects of christians . So many different levels of belief in Jesus christ . From a metaphor , some dude with good philosophy , a religious leader , a prophet , and /even some dare say god , and what not . Christian is to loose of a title thrown around like love , in certain communities lol. You have to figure out what sect of christianity they are . You see if it was a true religion it would not have sects. That is a clear sign that something is wrong , and nobody is blessed enough to show that there is actually one path that out shines if you will , metaphorically of course lol. So which level are you ? If jesus came to you and said , strap this on and go boom would you do it ? lol think twice? , or refuse and claim its trickery!...





Aethists, when you 'define' "Christians" by the chracteristics of one sect, you wear your ignorance like a crown. Christ


anti-thiests , atheists . etc also come in many flavors lol. Way to much putting all eggs in one basket. We all do it , but should try to clairfy sometimes. Secondly when dealing with the word ignorance , you can't just toss that around like its a horseshoe!





The prophets and Apostoles were divinely inspired, by the Holy Spirit. I've had my proof that the Holy Spirit is real


you know what it takes to make claims like this , proof comes in many flavors also , sometimes its so foggy and diluted , that it goes past proof , and into opinion. I can give you a simple prayer test to show me your god hears prayers ? Wouldn't that get followers ? I mean if you were in jesus time and he did those crazy "miracleS" ,would you not believe ? Of course you would . That time period god sneak peak at god like powers if the crazy fairy tales be true.





YES, the catholic church has screwed with the bible. Funny how the only really important parts survived even their wrath.



But you see , now its a tained book. You don't know whats legit or not , inspired , and the main message in it . All your doing is picking out what you "feel" is the correct parts lol . But its nothing but double standards cherry picking and making your own version of the bible and what it means. Its silly.... but some chose to take that path , and follow it blindly . They use lots of reason and logic to get to that point , then only for one crazy leap of faith lol ...





Likely the same group denying the Truth before bothering to really try and understand it.




I'm sure truth is out there somewhere , some path , some door . I don't think we should use that word when really , we don't have truth . Just our preception of it . Then telling others it is truth is a big bold step , that needs some back up besides hear say euphoric cocktail of chemicals in the brain feelings , passed as "truth " ...

How can we get deep into the bible when were already having trouble at the basics ...
You don't go to the indy 500, if you car is missing parts do u ?





More cutting and pasting highlighted segments to distort the true content. I see a lot of people arguing points I'm not actually making, wrought in the art of rearranging sentences. This forum needs a new motto.
You're not even remotely discussing op, you're twisting my words.
Weak.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by Klassified



Aethists, when you 'define' "Christians" by the chracteristics of one sect, you wear your ignorance like a crown. Christ, and God never intended for men to take a gift, redefine it, rewrap it use it to get money. YES, organized religion is a poorly defined money making machine. You may not believe in God, but unless you're a shallow, narrow minded fool, you can envision the concept. Do you think your own parent gives birth to you so you can make money for them?

Herein lies part of the problem. The church wants to preach to the rest of us, but they won't take care of their own internal problems. Like money grubbing pastors, board members, and TV preachers. I hear christians talk about knowing what these people are doing is wrong, but I still see people pouring money into the same church they know is corrupt from the top down. That makes you "partakers" with those who are liars, con men, and fakes. These are the people who have come to represent God and Christ to the world. If you want the perception of unbelievers to change toward christianity, you're going to have to distance yourselves from these thieves, and clean up your own house before you can tell the "lost" to clean up theirs.

Good luck with that.

Yeah, I agree. I haven't set foot in a church since...God knows when.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 10:25 PM
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Originally posted by threewhiteeyes

Originally posted by AtlantisX99

Originally posted by threewhiteeyes
reply to post by FissionSurplus
 

Please point to one insult. One snippy attack.

I didn't expec you to see anything, honestly. I am erasing the dense generalizations constantly thrown before me.

When did I once- actually, whatever. You either understood my message or you didn't. That's what this is about.


Allow me:


Originally posted by threewhiteeyes
you'll think the same for the other. In such a case, just leave it out of your arguement, because you don't understand it. Aethists, nihlists and fools have PLENTY of people to speak for them. Please send the smart ones.


This is you, talking down to the people who do not share you're particular brand of belief. Talking down to someone is insulting.


Originally posted by threewhiteeyes
I would gladly elaborate, but I know 75% you don't like to read unless you see purty picksures.


Oh look, you did it again. Insulting.

You see, you are doing exactly what you are accusing people of. You complain because people make negative comments and accusations but you, point at those that disagree with you and you imply they are fools?


Despite you referring to yourself as a 'Christian' and implying that you are a 'True Christian' as you do not belong to an organised denomination, that you state that not all Christians are the same and should not be compared to oneanother (or indeed persecuted by the negative actions of other Christians) you, the so called 'True Christian' are doing EXACTLY THAT to all the people that do not agree with you / support you. VERY Christian
Not all non-christians attack christians, fact. Learn it, remember it.

I would finish by challenging your implied 'True Christian' status. IF the word is the spirit as you so suggest, the word states:

Matthew 5:39 - "but I say unto you, Resist not him that is evil: but whosoever smiteth thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."

That's what the word says. Look it up if you so desire, but the point is; you are not doing this, you are doing the opposite. Perhaps your spirit has indeed strayed from the word and perhaps, that is something you should
spend time considering, rather than insulting those who do not share your personal beliefs.

Peace.
edit on 14-3-2012 by AtlantisX99 because: (no reason given)

This is just getting old. 'Aethists....AND fools'. I did not state they are the same, hence, the commas. Are you
denying fools exist?

75%..etc...No? People don't use 'wall of text' to justify ignoring content? I will never be a politician. People only acknowledge what they can contort to fortify belief as a whole, as opposed to comprehending a message. Maybe not all people.
The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” It doesn't matter if people call themselves Christians and honor God with their lips, if their hearts are far from him and in their hearts they don't believe that God will require an account from them.



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