Originally posted by woogleuk
reply to post by Jace26
Know fact 9/11 was an inside job
Oh you people crack me up.
Originally posted by Chewingonmushrooms
People must realize that when we attack another nation, it is guaranteed that a disproportionate amount of innocent casualties will happen, whether done by accident (collaterial damage) or done purposely. Shock and awe killed thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) innocent civilians, men, women and children. Because one was done with guns in cold blood and the other was done under directive of the higher ups with bombs doesn't make a difference to the ones that died.
There is a serious disconnect here in the US in that we believe that carpet bombing cities is somehow acceptable and soldiers killing innocents on their own accord is somehow an abomination. War is the abomination. Death is death and the real shame here is that people are dying for profit and "interests" for the sake of a few.
9/11 and 3,000 deaths have been used as a convenient excuse to kill millions of people and invade two countries based upon the notion of this "war on terrorism", which can never be won (like the war on drugs, war on crime etc..). Real people are dying everyday, our troops among them. When is enough's enough? How can we be openly discussing yet two more wars with nations 5 times more capable than Iraq and Afghan with even more shady intel?
When will we learn?
Originally posted by TheMindWar
Gruesome new details are surfacing after 16 Afghan villagers including nine children were shot in their houses by at least one US serviceman. Witnesses to the atrocity now say that several drunken American soldiers were involved.
Neighbors at the village where the killings took place said they were awoken past midnight by crackling gunfire:
"They were all drunk and shooting all over the place," Reuters cites Agha Lala, a villager in Kandahar's Panjwayi district.
Originally posted by Plugin
That's what you get when troops are far too long in a war. After some time / years / many tours, they need some fixing to get normal, not a new tour for sure!
The Iraq war started in 2003. That's nine years!
So are the troops to blaim? meh.. it's time to leave.
p.s. we need the draft back, that way you see protests (again) against these wars.
These guys have been redeployed and redeployed and redeployed to the point of insanity. When a person is traumatized, if you remove them from the trauma and leave them in peace it STILL takes years and treatment to restore them. In this case they were taken traumatized and not just not helped, thrown back into the Hell that horrified them. AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN. I'm so angry I not only would like to see the people who made this policy do hard time, I would like to see them HANG!
Then Obama comes along and apologizes to Afghanistan and expresses horror over this. When has he apologized to our troops for abusing them in this barbaric manner? No wonder they're killing themselves. There's only so much a person can take. Seriously someone should pay for this horror.
Originally posted by pexx421
Sorry, but heroin, killing 100k a year worldwide is not more than the american terrorist MIC kills worldwide. Indeed, seen statistically, all illicit narcotics in the US annually kill about 17000, which truly is a pittance. NSAIDS, like tylenol for instance, kill 7000 a year....just to give perspective.
As far as the soldier goes....I spent 12 years in the military. I was a medic...and in that time I have heard reports from different sources, that on the frontline, soldiers are sometimes given amphetamines and other drugs to help them go days without sleep....and also heard reports of soldiers on the front being mandated to test out other drugs, powerful hallucinogens included, for 30 day stretches, and to report their subjective effects. In light of this, it is no surprised that schizophrenic or psychotic breaks occur.
This is, of course, added to the dehumanization that they go through as standard part of their training. Even as a noncombatant in a medical squadron I was subjected to inserts in training videos where we were shown dead bodies of iraqi's while patriotic country music was playing in the background, as if it was something to be proud of.
Originally posted by Maponos
Originally posted by eNaR
Originally posted by Chewingonmushrooms
Yes opium production has gone from practically non existent (Taliban outlawed) to robust production. The drug trade has always been a great funder of black op projects and the CIA is probably the largest distributor on the planet. That along with the Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline project (Taliban refused right before 9/11) are probably the main reasons for our war with that country (military bases and easy access to ME sure don't hurt either).
With no terrorists there would be no WAR ON TERRORISM
With no drugs there would be no WAR ON DRUGS
With less or no dependency on oil there would be no INVASION OF IRAQ, LIBYA and perhaps of Iran in the future
....and life goes on !!!
Incorrect, the war on drugs is a war on anyone who dares to compete, the war on terror is a justification for resource grabs and land grabs, they radicalise an ignorant youth in order to have a justification to strike as well as to keep their arms dealer friends in business.
There were genocies commited in Uganda to clear land to grow trees in order to sell carbon credits to big multinationals.
Read the book the shock doctrine and you will understand what is going on. Ps Iraq was called "shock and awe" for a reason, its blatantly obvious once your eyes have been opened.edit on 12-3-2012 by Maponos because: (no reason given)