'Several drunk troops behind bloodbath, laughed on shooting-spree, burned corpses'

Originally posted by 200Plus
reply to post by Chewingonmushrooms

 

You are probably right.

I do want to make clear that I am not trying to justify this in any way.

It is most likely one man that has seen too much and snapped. It happens to civilians every day. We even say "go postal" for this very type of action.

It just gets under my skin that ANYTHING that is negative on a soldier is AUTOMATICALLY accepted.

I hear ya buddy, I myself am guilty of kneejerk reactions from time to time. I try my best to remain somewhat objective, but sometimes that's not possible being human and all .

Hopefully this action, terrible as it is, will be something that transforms into a positive for everyone involved - withdrawl of troops. But some how, barring preperation for another war, I don't think that will happen anytime soon.

So, if we believe the official story, one lone nutjob gets drunk, just wanders off-base, fully armed, and nobody bothers to stop him or question just why he is going off-base and to where?

Then, after gunfire that would have been heard at the base - only a short distance away in the still night air - he calmly wanders back on base. Nobody saw anything or heard anything?

Seriously, in a warzone, allegedly surrounded by hostiles, someone can just wander off and nobody sees them or stops them? This stinks of grade-A BS.

reply to post by Britguy


Actually, back in 04-05 many of us used to "jump" the wall in Baghdad. There was a nice little bar with very friendly women just across the street. Granted I never went fully armed and I didn't stroll out the front gate, but getting on and off a base isn't really that difficult. Especially if you are authorized to be on the base.

"Servicemen" who commit war crimes need to be summarily executed on the spot. This is barbaric and unacceptable, just because islamic militants do the same thing is no reason we should stoop to their level of babarism.

Funny how people here are judging. War is tramautizing. War is brutal. So is PTSD. Alcohol doesnt help either. Nor depression. Now im not saying this is fine, but what i am* saying, is dont judge, ESPECIALLY when you dont know or understand what this soldier/s have gone through. Empathy is something our society lacks.

Yah, kind of hard to speak of Humanitarian goals and intervention in Syria for peace, when this is the result of our Humanitarianism. I'm sure they get it (the victims). What? Like real war killings are OK and don't have the same end result? Hillary declaring "This is not who we are":

U.N. speech

I guess I have just been to long on the conspiracy boards but I think this was a planned, executed, attack. We were just starting to calm down from the Koran burnings, which happened right after it was calming down from the errand drone strikes in Pakistan, ect...ect... See a pattern. With out prepetual unrest what justification would we have to be there.

As for the drug and oil trades being the reason we are there, of course they are. But I do believe you left out one.

www.nytimes.com... ed=all

This is a piece by the New York Times done in 2010 describing the 1 trillion plus dollars worth of mineral wealth found in Afganistan. There is reported to be everything from gold to lithium. War is money.

ps. I hope this link works. I am technologically challenged, but trying to learn.

reply to post by David134


Are you really suggesting that this attack was planned by the US? All of the recent news articles I have checked today on CNN and other reliable news sites are still claiming that it was one man acting alone, not a whole group of men, and I hardly think this man killing these people was a thought-out plan by our government.

Sorry, but heroin, killing 100k a year worldwide is not more than the american terrorist MIC kills worldwide. Indeed, seen statistically, all illicit narcotics in the US annually kill about 17000, which truly is a pittance. NSAIDS, like tylenol for instance, kill 7000 a year....just to give perspective.

As far as the soldier goes....I spent 12 years in the military. I was a medic...and in that time I have heard reports from different sources, that on the frontline, soldiers are sometimes given amphetamines and other drugs to help them go days without sleep....and also heard reports of soldiers on the front being mandated to test out other drugs, powerful hallucinogens included, for 30 day stretches, and to report their subjective effects. In light of this, it is no surprised that schizophrenic or psychotic breaks occur.

This is, of course, added to the dehumanization that they go through as standard part of their training. Even as a noncombatant in a medical squadron I was subjected to inserts in training videos where we were shown dead bodies of iraqi's while patriotic country music was playing in the background, as if it was something to be proud of.

Ok and what about the shooting sprees and bloodbaths that go unreported? Wouldn't surprise me if this has happened before. I bet those Afghan's have some horrendous tales to tell.

Now you know why these thousand+ year old countries have banned alcohol and porn. The united states is a perfect example of what not to do or be.

Way to go!

Originally posted by Britguy
So, if we believe the official story, one lone nutjob gets drunk, just wanders off-base, fully armed, and nobody bothers to stop him or question just why he is going off-base and to where?

Then, after gunfire that would have been heard at the base - only a short distance away in the still night air - he calmly wanders back on base. Nobody saw anything or heard anything?

Seriously, in a warzone, allegedly surrounded by hostiles, someone can just wander off and nobody sees them or stops them?

This stinks of grade-A BS.

Thank you for being the voice of logical thinking. This whole thing is just one more THING thats happening in order to direct the worlds attention in a specific direction.

Always remember folks, unless you are there to witness it with your own senses, everything is retold at some point or another.

reply to post by Shadow Herder


These men or this man were/was under harsh conditions and broke, I am excusing their actions, but I hardly think the banning of alcohol and porn would fix what happened. Also these countries have plenty of their own problems and violence, the United States may not be perfect but the actions that happened are not a reflection on the whole country.

Originally posted by Shadow Herder
Now you know why these thousand+ year old countries have banned alcohol and porn. The united states is a perfect example of what not to do or be.

Way to go!

Yes and they also advocate stoning to death of women for suspected adultry, cutting off hands of petty thiefs, and if you are raped as a woman because you were walking alone it is considered to be your fault. I know America has many problems and faults that we the people need to fix, but I would not use these third world countries to site my morality lesson from either.

You might want to read earlier in the post where Afganistan grows about 90% of the worlds opium

Alcohol is prohibited in muslim countries correct? We had to open our mail in front of our OIC. Not saying we couldnt get it from civ. contractors..but none of us even considered it, I mean, the place is dangerous as it is. Now, we were omitted from testing positive for opiates for 6 months when we got back stateside

Afghan officials, fearing possible violent demonstrations, have deployed extra police and troops in and around Kandahar.

Imagine if a Chinese rogue soldier killed your whole family in America and only you survived because you played dead, and you wanted justice, but was arrested by American police in America (while American troops were deployed near you and not the invading Chinese army).

This is further evidence the event was staged. If Kharzai was really upset he would want more than just an explanation and would not prevent his people from reclaiming their land. Instead he is a puppet and has his own soldiers protecting foreign troops. If Obama was truly shocked he would withdrawal all troops immediately. So go ahead thinking this is just war stress, I think the event is staged which is why the pentagon has no remorse and will not change their plans. The shooting was the plan.

Lots of people in this thread are suspicious (and rightly so) about the sketchy details of this incident.
Perhaps this is the "trigger" to pull US forces out of Afghanistan.
Perhaps it's a diversion. While everyone else is looking "over there" what is happening in the background?
Stay vigilant people, there's more to this one than meets the eye I suggest.

i remember looking at an old book as a kid of a bi-plane dropping mustard gas on an afgan village in 1917 .it has a terrible history of war that place it would be hard to find anybody alive there that did not remember war going on .i know polish guys that served in the soviet army in afganistan .terrible crimes have been done by all sides there .anybody got any info on the DEAD ZONE . no vehicles will operate in or is that just rumour

Originally posted by David134

You might want to read earlier in the post where Afganistan grows about 90% of the worlds opium

You might want to read how the taliban wanted eradicate the opium untill the u.s stepped in and removed the taliban, opium production is up 600%

Originally posted by Shadow Herder

Originally posted by David134

You might want to read earlier in the post where Afganistan grows about 90% of the worlds opium

You might want to read how the taliban wanted eradicate the opium untill the u.s stepped in and removed the taliban, opium production is up 600%

You are correct, sort of. In the 80s the US supported the Mujahideen, against the Soviets in Afghanistan. To pay for their war, the Mujahideen ordered peasants to grow opium as a revolutionary tax. when the reds were defeated. Afghanistanwas left with civil war between the US backed mujahideen vs. soviet backed govt. The country was ruled by warlords and the opium production soared. I think it was in the early 90's mullah omar said it was un-islamic to grow opium.

Pretty much, the CIA is behind the drug trade.( We all know that)

Yet it remains a curious fact that the opium trade has tracked across Southern Asia for the past five decades from east to west, following US wars, and always under the control of US assets.

In the 1960s, when the US fought a secret war in Laos using the Hmong opium army of Vang Pao as its proxy, Southeast Asia produced 70% of the world’s illicit opium. After the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, Afghanistan production, controlled by US-backed drug lords, took off, till it rivalled Southeast Asian production. Since 2002, Afghan opium production, encouraged by both the Taliban and US-backed drug lords, has reached 93% of world illicit production, an unparalleled performance