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Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Originally posted by juveous
The investigation is not irrelevant to me. I have my reasons for making it relevant, like for the fact that I just moved to Maricopa County.
I have no doubt you have your own personal reasons as to why this investigation is relevant, again this is a free country. Arpaio needs all the support he can get I suppose.
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Originally posted by juveous
you asked me a question. I answered it plain. If birthers dont accept a hawaii voucher, then you could assume its because they think hawaiin officials are lying. What is to explain?
It's not merely what I 'assume'. I fail to see how you can maintain the Hawaiian government's innocence in all this since they vouched for both birth certificates time and time again, and since people like you insist it's a fraud. I'd love to see you explain this away to me.
Who determines what is valid? Well we have the supreme court, we have representitives, we have constitutional guidelines towards the impeachment process. Birthers have exhausted all their options over this conspiracy theory of theirs, and yet they can't seem to convince anybody beyond their own ilk.
What do you mean by inconsistencies? I would assume by inconsistence you mean digital anomolies not found when you apply the same tests to other digital images of Hawaiian birth certificates? Did this posse conduct tests on other birth certificates? Did they even bother to make requests to Hawaiian authorities to give them templates of other birth certificates? I didn't see this in the conference.
Obama doesn't have to do anything further, there is no requirement of him do so, it was never a requirement. The world won't always work your way, yet this is something birthers (including yourself here) can't seem to deal with. They didn't get the message in Georgia either. So you can stop telling me what you believe the whitehouse must or should do, you make the accusation, you've got your work cut out to present it to the masses, to the courts, to congress.
Originally posted by juveous
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Originally posted by juveous
you asked me a question. I answered it plain. If birthers dont accept a hawaii voucher, then you could assume its because they think hawaiin officials are lying. What is to explain?
It's not merely what I 'assume'. I fail to see how you can maintain the Hawaiian government's innocence in all this since they vouched for both birth certificates time and time again, and since people like you insist it's a fraud. I'd love to see you explain this away to me.
Who determines what is valid? Well we have the supreme court, we have representitives, we have constitutional guidelines towards the impeachment process. Birthers have exhausted all their options over this conspiracy theory of theirs, and yet they can't seem to convince anybody beyond their own ilk.
And i remember Arpaio stating where this would go, and whether the correct agency would take over or if it would be heard befor congress. So what is being done wrong here?
What do you mean by inconsistencies? I would assume by inconsistence you mean digital anomolies not found when you apply the same tests to other digital images of Hawaiian birth certificates? Did this posse conduct tests on other birth certificates? Did they even bother to make requests to Hawaiian authorities to give them templates of other birth certificates? I didn't see this in the conference.
You missed my entire point. The point was that because of so many different ways to test for why the document would behave a certain way, people will continue to find problems, because they are looking for them.
Obama doesn't have to do anything further, there is no requirement of him do so, it was never a requirement. The world won't always work your way, yet this is something birthers (including yourself here) can't seem to deal with. They didn't get the message in Georgia either. So you can stop telling me what you believe the whitehouse must or should do, you make the accusation, you've got your work cut out to present it to the masses, to the courts, to congress.
Yep i knew you would say he isnt required to. Missed that point too. The whitehouse should for their own sake
They could end this, but let it go on because the say they have better things to do. Crap excuse. All it takes is an announcement for anyone that wants verify it will be allowed on said date. It not only reinforces the president's willingness to deal with criticism, it would practically end the birther conspiracy. They need to swallow their pride, and get it over with, hell might even turn a few voters.
Originally posted by juveous
reply to post by bknapple32
someone already addressed this. Speculating the motive is more useless than confronting the evidence itself. That wouldn't make it irrelevant anyway.
Originally posted by juveous
you asked me a question. I answered it plain. If birthers dont accept a hawaii voucher, then you could assume its because they think hawaiin officials are lying.
And i remember Arpaio stating where this would go, and whether the correct agency would take over or if it would be heard befor congress.
You missed my entire point. The point was that because of so many different ways to test for why the document would behave a certain way,
Yep i knew you would say he isnt required to. Missed that point too. The whitehouse should for their own sake
They could end this,
Originally posted by bknapple32
Originally posted by juveous
reply to post by bknapple32
someone already addressed this. Speculating the motive is more useless than confronting the evidence itself. That wouldn't make it irrelevant anyway.
You're right, someone planning on making a money on an investigation thenicy are about to do has no bearing at all on the results of said investigation...
Originally posted by bknapple32
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Originally posted by juveous
The investigation is not irrelevant to me. I have my reasons for making it relevant, like for the fact that I just moved to Maricopa County.
I have no doubt you have your own personal reasons as to why this investigation is relevant, again this is a free country. Arpaio needs all the support he can get I suppose.
Its irrelevant because they did the investigation purely to sell a book. They signed on to author a book that would detail their findings 6 months ago.. They also started the investigation.... 6 months ago..
Gee safe to assume they may have altered some results to sell a book and make money???
For any investigation to be taken seriously it needs to be done by an independent source with nothing to gain.
Originally posted by juveous
Originally posted by bknapple32
Originally posted by juveous
reply to post by bknapple32
someone already addressed this. Speculating the motive is more useless than confronting the evidence itself. That wouldn't make it irrelevant anyway.
You're right, someone planning on making a money on an investigation thenicy are about to do has no bearing at all on the results of said investigation...
Nice try twisting words there I said it was more useless than confronting evidence. A statement of contrast. Motive alone does not falsify evidence, but it can suggest it.
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Originally posted by juveous
Again, why do I have to assume? Through this investigation, Arpaio, his Posse, and yourself here concluded that the Obama's Hawaiian long form birth certificate was beyond a doubt a fraud, Hawaiian health officials vouched for it's authenticity on numerous occasions.
I invite you to explain your position away so as to make the Hawaiian health department and both the current and previous directors innocent considering your position on the birth certificates authenticity.
no I actually agree with you, their method of control should have been a Hawaiian BC from the start, there’s was about testing the random layers that should have been seen, but were not. Its about the complexity of the image, because they were comparing a Pdf with that.
Again, you're finding anomalies in your tests of one document, and yet you conclude it's fraud without investigating as to whether these anomolies appear on other documents of the same type. This isn't true investigating to me sorry. But if you think otherwise, it's really pointless to go on arguing with you if this is your logic.
Yes, you think the whitehouse should. I didn't miss your point
They could end this,
,Birthers stated that this was suppose to end with the release of the short form and following, the long form birth certificate. It was pritty much apparent to me and many others that this claim was a lie then, and it is a lie now. You don't have to tell me what you think should be done, you've still got a case to prove in the courts, to the masses and to congress.
Originally posted by juveous
I could swap that word out with infer, maybe conclude, point is they didn't say it they were lying. Re-read this if you have to
What do you want me to say? They would like to examine the Hawaiian BC, not take their word for it, if I understand correctly. My position is to let them.
no I actually agree with you,
JAKARTA, Indonesia (AP) -- Once, long ago, Evie looked after "Barry" Obama, the kid who would grow up to become the world's most powerful man. Now, his transgender former nanny has given up her tight, flowery dresses, her brocade vest and her bras, and is living in fear on Indonesia's streets.
Originally posted by jibeho
Originally posted by xuenchen
Breitbart has a followup article.
Important Topic Updates
In a follow up to yesterday's article, Breitbart writer Ben Shapiro is claiming that a tape exists of that 1998 production of The Love Song of Saul Alinsky in Chicago.
Obama was an Illinois State Senator at the time and he participated in a discussion panel after a performance of the play.
However, the "only" copy is in the possession of someone who will not release it !!
They must be hiding something ?
If Obama is so proud of his record, then why suppress historical materials
Obama Ally Won't Release Alinsky Tape
edit on Mar-06-2012 by xuenchen because: (no reason given)
I just caught this story this morning and its yet another head scratching moment from those covering for the big O. Clearly the discussion after the play will shed some real light on Obama's ideology and his core set of values. The woman even said that the Play Poster was never meant to be public.
I can't wait for the Obama library to open after his reign comes to an end. It will be devoid of all materials prior to 2008.
By the time Obama got to Chicago he had clearly become the man that he is today. Same radical ideals and affiliations today. I just wonder how many fires the Obama Bunch can put out at one time.
This whole Alinsky Naivete is getting old. Funny, the lengths that have been taken to keep all things Alinsky under wraps. Obama wrote two books and never covered any of his time as a student of the Alinsky Method or his work as a professor of it. Oh well... The truth hurts....
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