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Lets move on PLEASE!
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by MamaJ
Lets move on PLEASE!
Move on to what? "Oh yeah. That bad ol' them is messing with our minds! I felt funny yesterday. Must be HAARP!"
Sure. Have fun with that. I'm not stopping you but I prefer looking at facts and figuring out if something makes any sense. This doesn't.
edit on 2/27/2012 by Phage because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Damrod
Another great thread on ATS!
I am very interested in this topic and the possibilities associated with it. I read about Sound waves, RF, EMF, harmonics and paleo-acoustics when the opportunity arises...but for the last few years I have been reading more philosophy and theology based works about the nature of human behavior.
I have been inclined over the years to believe that RF, EMF and harmonics are probably at the root of unusual phenomena. Take a person that just happens to be in the right place at the right time and under the right atmospheric and geological conditions and they will pick up on something or perceive something that perhaps they never perceived before...(be it real or imaginary is another question and conversation altogether.)
On one hand, we DO know that EMF fields can cause paranoia, agitation and even delusion. What we don't really know is how much of it is actually a delusion and how much of it is heightened perception and allowing us to perceive something in a split second moment of unusual circumstances that is "always" there but our 5 limited senses normally are not capable of receiving/perceiving it.
For instance...lights in the sky...maybe...there are always lights flashing quickly across the skies but we rarely notice them...but...in a certain set of atmospheric/geological variables...we can see them and ...and "OMG! a UFO!" maybe a lot of the things people think are paranormal are actually quite normal and natural but our very limited senses normally doesn't perceive them... and our instruments are not quite advanced enough (yet) to establish repeatable studies and experiments.
Just a thought and an opinion I have had...no huge list of back up reference material, websites or technical support, just years of reading and pondering the "madness of infinite possibility".edit on 2/27/2012 by Damrod because: spelling, punctuation...etc.edit on 2/27/2012 by Damrod because: same
It seems as though you trust the Government
reply to post by Phage
No. I don't trust the government. I don't trust speculation based on ignorance and fear either. I trust logic and reason.
Well your answer being no ...then.. its logical and reasonable the government would and could do such a thing. Its beyond reasonable. What we need to understand though is WHY would they do such a thing?
Originally posted by Phage
There is only speculation based on a poor understanding of the material presented.
The HF Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) is based on a HF transmitter and a comple- ment of diagnostics located in Gakona, Alaska. The location of the HF transmitter underneath the auroral electrodynamic circuit and the power and flexibility of operation, based on use of today's most sophisti-
cated technology, provide the HAARP with a novel and unique broadband remote sensing resource. By exploit- ing the properties of the auroral ionosphere as an ac- tive, nonlinear medium, the primary energy of the HF transmitter, which is confined in the frequency range from 2.8 to 10 MHz, can be down-converted in fre- quency to coherent low frequency waves spanning five decades, as well as up-converted to infrared and vis- ible photons. It can, furthermore, structure the iono- spheric density in a way that provides a controlled scat- terer for HF/VHF/UHF frequencies. As a result, the HAARP HF transmitter can generate sources for remote sensing and communications spanning 16 decades in frequency.
Geometric modulation also allows directional launching of the signal into the Earth-ionosphere waveguide, forming an unprecedented steerable large-element ELF/VLF ionospheric phased array.
a phased array is an array of antennas in which the relative phases of the respective signals feeding the antennas are varied in such a way that the effective radiation pattern of the array is reinforced in a desired direction and suppressed in undesired directions.
he HAARP represents a technological advance-ment with capabilities that allow for new and unique dual-use research and application opportuni-ties. Use of the ionosphere as an active, nonlinear me- dium allows the primary HF energy to be transformed in a controlled fashion into coherent radiation from 0.001 Hz to 40 kHz and into incoherent IR and visible wavelengths. This function, supplemented with the generation of FAS and with the use of the transmitter as a radar, makes the HAARP transmitter a unique source for remote sensing and communication uses.
Bragg scattering
noun Physics the diffraction phenomenon exhibited by a crystal bombarded with x-rays in such a way that each plane of the crystal lattice acts as a reflector (Bragg reflector).
frequencies between 8.8 and 13.2Hz, between the Schumann resonance maximums, confirm that the human body absorbs, detects and responds to ELF environmental EMF signals. This is a classical physics phenomenon, utilised in telecommunication systems, which definitelly needs to be further investigated for a possible biological cell-to-cell communication implications.
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by MamaJ
Well your answer being no ...then.. its logical and reasonable the government would and could do such a thing. Its beyond reasonable. What we need to understand though is WHY would they do such a thing?
Your are making a connection between would and could which does not exist.
As I have been attempting to demonstrate, it is not logical or reasonable that the government could do such a thing. The science does not support it.
What needs to be understood is how it could be done. Nothing here has shown that, or even if it could be done. There is only speculation based on a poor understanding of the material presented.edit on 2/27/2012 by Phage because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by pianopraze
reply to post by TrueAmerican
please read what i said not what phage said i said.
I said and gave military paper which said haarp produces electromagnetic waves in the Schumann electromagnetic frequencies.
I also produced a paper which said these electromagnetic waves affect us.
The theory that HAARP is steerable and GENERATES frequencies in the ELF band are provably false as are many of the mind control, earthquake generation and weather control theories attributed to HARRP.
1) this can be generalized to macro-level objects
2)I bring these two points up to help bring this discussion. out of "left field".
there is nothing wrong with speculation at the tinged of scientific understanding.