"This Is Why There Are No Jobs In America", by Porter Stansberry

Op this is very true. I can't argue about anything you have stated.

My wife would agree with you as well. So after an investment in small star-up company she wanted to hire a part time person until she received a letter from her government partner, "sorry mrs_x but you cant hire any part time person we want our 8K, for your first year this included next years prepayments as well. oh and lets set you up on a future payment plan, even though you don't own us anything yet for those future years we think it would be a good Idea. " So my wife told them " I'm locking the front door here is your money less future payments for undetermined unknown income. then my wife said, "No wonder companies leave the USA . no one can operate a business like this. It's gone to far asking small start up business for pre-tax payments for the next year. then on top of all this regulation after regulation, more state licensees that can cover an entire wall and the fees to boot, when does it stop. I refuse to get any more state licenses for BS the governments keeps coming up with. soon I will need a licensee to go to the bathroom."


My wife was mad, she did close it down, because the state, believe it or not came up with a new fees and regulations that required more licenses and bonds because of new legislation that was just passed. To top this all off the state wanted mandatory contributions to some fund, I forgot what it was called. but it had do with unemployment insurance on top of regular unemployment insurance. even though she had no employees but would have been required to pay into these funds. she could not hire one part time employee anyway because her gov-partner was demanding future income payments. Even if she decided not to hire a part time she still would have to pay into these unemployment funds. Is this what Obama meant by shared sacrifice ? ('')

This was a service business not manufacturing. Can you imagine what manufactures must go though to do business in this country.

Maybe the problem here is that there's no new 'thing' (wonder/product). Think about it, just 2 decades ago they came out with the cellphone and the whole market boomed. It opened up jobs for people and helped speed up the flow of cash. So why not just try to find/re-discover a technology? That would greatly enhance the economy globally. That's just my thought

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It would not matter what wonder industry evolved today. The product would be made in China or the Asian countries, the service centers would be in India.

It would not matter. The only thing I can think that seems to be the latest crazes are Frac Mining, those people who come throw you out of your home and lock door with all your belongings, ( I don't know what the call themselves. Forced Relocation Specialists maybe? ) then last but not least gold speculation.

So the latest crazes seem to be all in the Specialist and Speculation fields. ( Frac mining falls in to speculation I would think )

reply to post by dadgad

Even though I consider myself a socialist/anarchist

You seem a long way from holding anything close to resembling anarchist values.

Actually they do. Many Latin-American countries have undergone that treatment. I suggest you read the confessions by John Perkins. They usually follow a steady pattern. First try to arrange lucrative contracts, usually that doesn't work. Then they try to bribe, when that doesn't work, they destroy the country, and they have various ways of doing, they're very good at it. From instigating coups, to outright invasion. In the end they get what they want. Huge loans at interest. The pay-off means giving away land and resources to big corporations. And the citizens may work for them, at extremely low wages in extremely low standard circumstances.

That is exactly my point. Their government, in trying to protect them, has put them in a far worse situation than if they were free to make their own choices.

Most ATS'ers see Ron Paul as the solution to this problem, but I have always disagreed with. I found a piece in which Chomsky comments on it, I couldn't agree more.

"Well, the church will take care of him ... or charities or something or other.... so, it's not a problem."

I mean, this is just savagery.

It amazes me that in these times charitable donations and voluntarily helping fellow humans is commonly viewed as being "savage", while theft at gunpoint to achieve the same means is viewed as being civil and righteous.

They can't live without a powerful state, and they know it.

I'm sure they would dread not having 70% of their profits stolen from them and would not know how to survive in such an environment...

reply to post by Morgenstern89


Because that "article" is right-wing corporate propaganda.

The tax burden on businesses has decreases hugely from the 1950s.

And corporations are more in control of government than ever.

But it's still not enough.

So they generate propaganda like this.

reply to post by Cassius666


I like and agree with some of what you've presented. But, I want you to consider re-evaluating your comments and suggestions after considering some constraints. Think of these as non-negotiable conditions you're faced with in forming your new suggestions...

Non-Negotiable Conditions

1. Nothing you propose can be directed at other nations or even seek to cause actions in other nations and their existing situations. Suggestions can only be related to how things are done here, in the US.
   
   
2. Capital Gains Tax is eliminated and no longer a factor in the US.
   
   
3. The tax rate for businesses is reduced to an average 15% here in the US.
   
   
4. After it being revealed that over 160,000 corporations in the US have board membership (or majority ownership) consisting of government representatives acting on behalf of the State, the rules are changed and now this activity is forbidden by law. In addition, it is revealed that governmental bodies including cities, states, municipalities and federal agencies are themselves corporations and have been hiding their profits in Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports while misleading the public with budgets that continually show operating at a deficit. This practice is also outlawed and the cumulative slush-funds of these corporations is returned to the public in both shares and in cash payments.
   
   
5. As a result of the above revelations, businesses across America receive settlements that intend to offset the loss they have suffered in areas ranging from cronyism, unfair practice, discrimination and other tax-related crimes.
   
6. Anti-discrimination and disability laws are repealed and the choice to discriminate is returned to the marketplace.
   

I welcome any questions that might arise from the specific conditions I've laid out. But, I'm mostly curious how your comments and suggestions might shift given this altogether different landscape.

Did you guys hear, Obama just offered to lower the corporate tax rate!

In return, he said the corporations would have to give up tax loopholes and actually have to PAY the new lowered rate.

For some reason the Republicans arent rushing to write the bill. And the business world, which heavily lobbies both parties, arent rushing to get this bill passed. Why is that?

Why dont Republicans put aside partisan politics, and end this injustice?

The real reason there are no jobs in America is that is what happens when a government is raped by the mega corporate/bank elites who run this banana-republic known as USA. There were plenty of jobs (and the same corporate tax rate) before the "economic crisis" of 2008 when congress agreed to let the off-shore banks drain the treasury and our 401k accounts and our children's future income. Further, if you did suddenly reduce the corporate tax rate no jobs would result because few have any spendable income, nor will they in the forseeable future.

Lowering the corporate tax rate IS NOT the answer. Lowering the hammer on the eletist fascist corporate-bank/state relationship and re-establishing citizen rule IS the answer.

reply to post by romanmel


Sadly no politicians are gonna do that.

What a shame

A lot of people on ATS and on this thread talk a lot of SH** about 'why the economy sucks' , yet they know NOTHING about what it takes to run a business.

The OP's quote and premise is spot on. If you have owned and run a business for any point past 3 years, you know EXACTLY how after a while you begin to LOATHE the Government. You spend all your time to make a product, or sell an idea, or a 'thing', a service. You try to yourself to wake up every day to be disciplined enough to actually WORK instead of take a break and go to the beach. You lose out on a social life much of the time. You worry that you've become 'obsolete' because you've been self employed.

And when you do make a profit they want to take it from you. I know many colleagues who LIE and loophole the system because of this. And you know what?? Almost every business owner does it. Because the Federal Government and State Governments are a bunch of lying cheating crooks. Take my money and then bomb children in wars across the world, which I never had the CHOICE of being a part of? Or you make a number of asinine laws which subject ME to MORE taxes? Or the Federal Government makes decisions which I literally see translate into a drop in sales immediately?

Gas prices? Think that hasn't affected things lately? Talk of WW3? Oh yeah, you feel it in business, make no mistake these real fears hurt you.


Screw the Government. A bunch of miserable parasitic A holes who really want you to be a tax paying Serf.

Oh yeah, if you live in California and you run a business here, at the end of a few years you'll want to see a revolution kick off. I hope all the Bureaucrats choke and die.

reply to post by PaxVeritas


Big surprise, another Ron Paul fan whining about taxes.

Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
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Big surprise, another Ron Paul fan whining about taxes.

Straw Man.

Try again.

Originally posted by romanmel
There were plenty of jobs (and the same corporate tax rate) before the "economic crisis" of 2008 when congress agreed to let the off-shore banks drain the treasury and our 401k accounts and our children's future income.

Wow, I realize that the post 9/11 years were a real big fun party and you might not remember the hazy details, but the "economic crisis" pretty much started on 9/11, and has lasted over a decade now.

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reply to post by DrinkYourDrug

You seem a long way from holding anything close to resembling anarchist values.

Hm... you know me so well huh? Please elaborate.

That is exactly my point. Their government, in trying to protect them, has put them in a far worse situation than if they were free to make their own choices.

No your government in pretending to help them has put them in a far worse situation. Don't twist the facts here.

But South America is beginning to rise, a counter movement has begun, led by Chavez. No more American imperialism in South America.

It amazes me that in these times charitable donations and voluntarily helping fellow humans is commonly viewed as being "savage", while theft at gunpoint to achieve the same means is viewed as being civil and righteous.

Why should people be left to charity tell me? Who generates the wealth used for charity? Who produced it, who's sweat is in there? The Church? I don't think so. All the Church does is give away donation money. All wealth is produced by workers, and workers only.
And the Church only gives charity to Christians. Church charity is barbaric.

Yes, it is true that the government is stealing now, more than ever before.
All the stolen money goes underground, literally!
They are building underground cities RIGHT NOW!
Under our noses.
They are expecting big time cataclysms in a few years from now so they are getting ready,.. with our money!
WE ARE ALL SUCKERS IN THEIR EYES!

reply to post by Morgenstern89


who will see the system best at their viewpoint?

the man at the very bottom looking up is the one..

reply to post by PaxVeritas


Not a straw man, an honest observation. As a rule Paul supporters whine about taxes. It's unsurprising and essentially less to do with honest criticism and more to do with ideology.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


We turned from God. He has turned from us....just as he promised:

Deut 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

Deut 28:16 Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field.

Deut 28:17 Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.

Deut 28:18 Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.

Deut 28:19 Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out.


The good news: today would be a good day to get saved....please see the link below. There is a salvation page there too. You don't need a preacher or a church to get saved. Just you coming to the Lord with a humble, repentant heart. I hope that you do....

Originally posted by Patrol
They are building underground cities RIGHT NOW!
Under our noses.
They are expecting big time cataclysms in a few years from now so they are getting ready,.. with our money!

It won't protect them.

Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

They are doomed for eternity unless they repent and believe on Jesus Christ of Nazareth. The only way to the Father and heaven.