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Remind me to murder people, as I had no hand in formulating laws against murder...
The founding fathers wanted taxes. The constitution was written in part to force states to pay taxes for the greater good. No one, none, of the founding fathers believed in a system wherein all Americans wouldn't be, to some degree, forced to pay taxes for things they didn't like.
Any system wherein a government makes even one person do something they don't want to do will be considered immoral by your standards. There is NO system out here able to govern thousands that will be able to cope with your ridiculous belief system.
The name of the game, when you're talking billions of individuals, is compromise. I do things I don't want to do, that help you; you do things you don't want to do to help me.
being alive is coercive. Want to live? You have to eat. Did you agree to that? Guess what, if you don't eat, you die... biology is literally threatening you with death every single day.
There is NO society that will ever exist wherein no one is ever forced to do things against there will. That's a false option.
if you ever try to stiff me – or cheat me on any of my fees or rules – I'll break down your door in the middle of the night, threaten you and your family with heavy, automatic weapons, and throw you in jail.
You claim that you want to be able to live in a system that allows you to follow your extremist views, but that system would necessarily step on other people's toes.
In other words, in a society as large as ours, you can't expect to change systems so dramatically without a hell of a lot of coercion (in your words:violence).
So, you're trapped.
I enjoy helping others (though thanks for once again finding the most dickish way of stating your position).
The difference between you an dI is that you see any compromise as violence.
Taxes from me to pay for something I don't agree without isn't violence.
When I want taxes to pay for something (education) I know others may disagree... but they may in turn want it to pay for something I disagree with (e.g. drug war).
There's no solution wherein I get what I want (universal high quality healthcare and education) where you get what you want, and vice versa. You get what you want, it's by using violence against me. Using your definition.
So you agree your own body is using the threat of violence against you, in order to keep you living? AND you think your views are rational?
you're system would be extremely violent... hugely so...
As for you defining a system where in society forces everyone into a kind of Mad Max world, wherein there's no social safety net, no public healthcare and no free education as "liberal"... that's about as crazy a belief as I've ever seen.
As for force being used to prevent people from harming others... what do you think forcing the poor out of education, or forcing the poor to receive substandard healthcare is...? It's coercion. It's force.
If I am forced to work a # job to pay for expensive medicine for my child with a birth defect, because I got a substandard education, because my parents were poor (my father died of cancer when I was young... so single mother) ... then that's coercion.
And guess what, we do that by forcing everyone to pay a fair amount of taxes... and if collectively agree that our politicians are wasting our money, we replace them.
The ONLY fair system, on a macro level is majority rule...
It would be impossible to use coercion to change to a system of non-coercion...
Unless you enjoy spending your money on things you don't agree with or want, the motivation for you to do so has come from the threat of violence, whether you care to admit it or not.
And now the delusional comes full circle...
So, when your system takes away my medicare? What's that?
If your system forces me to make choices I don't want to make, what is that if not coercion?
And again, when you find your system is just an impossible pipe dream you go back to the only real position you can have: I don't do anything to try and change the world and I don't believe it's gonna change, except maybe in some random future way. Good one.
As for, "immaturities"... I have no problem mocking your delusions...
it should be challenged...
Again you state compromise, taxes, et al, all the things that pay for and allow society to function are violence... it's so reductionist as to be a joke... but sadly, you're all to serious...
Again I say to you, there is NO SYSTEM, even yours, that would function without coercion. All systems, when you reduce compromise to violence, are inherently violent. 6 million (or billion) people can not always be completely selfish. That's not society and certainly not one anyone but a few reductionist ideologue would chose to want to live in... because it's absurd.
If I go to work, to make enough money to start a business, to be happy, I am not doing so at the threat of violence.
The same goes for spending money. I don't WANT to spend money on lots of things, but do because, on balance they benefit me. I am not doing this out of threats of violence
I am starting to think you're about 15 years old.
I think this conversation is a waste of our time.