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The TRUTH about Hell (May shock you...)

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posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 02:49 PM
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With the Holy Spirit's guidance one may rightly divide the Word of Truth.
Yes, agreed that there are literal and figurative translations in Rev.
However, this is not the only BOOK that speaks of Hell, JM. You all have your Bibles and books to go by- I'll stick with what I believe..
and again agree to disagree.

Good luck , everyone! My prayer would be that noONE would go to Hell...but then again God is a righteous Judge and He knows how to separate the wheat from the tares - HE knows best!

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posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 04:10 PM
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. . . agree to disagree. . .

Which is generous considering that the last thread we were discussing in, you gave me to the devil, if I remember right.
If you highlight my mini-profile to the left, I identify myself as a scholar of Revelation, whatever that means, so I am always looking at that book and right now I see it as describing something which is a done thing.
From the point of view of the people at that time, the Gospel had gone out to all the world.
Jesus offers us life and this is something not a secret and people can know it if they want to.
God dwells with us, 'in my Father's house there are many mansions.'
We are them.

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posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 11:50 PM
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Read 'To Hell and Back,' by Maurice Rawlings. And watch Howard Storm's video on youtube.



posted on Feb, 18 2012 @ 05:00 PM
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posted on Feb, 18 2012 @ 05:05 PM
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I believe hell does exist but in a different more subliminal way than most. I see through the bibles eyes on some aspects and in the bible it does state that in hell it will feel like the soul is being ripped apart and when it dies it will come back to do it all over again. We live here on earth where not only do most people wake up and hate their existence because they have to work as slaves but they die and reincarnate to do it all over again. It is once we have learned our lesson that god chooses to open up the door and let those who finally understand in. There is no church in the wild. The owners of the vatican own america and england and the worst part about the pope is that he is keeping his eyes to the sky looking for extraterrestrials. This universe is infinite and the soul is too.



posted on Mar, 2 2012 @ 08:58 AM
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If you seek the truth, you will find it!


Do you believe that it is possible that there is no truth? Do you believe that you could one day be a god? As a Christian with an open mind, these are my serious questions for you. Could you believe that nothing exists?



posted on Mar, 2 2012 @ 09:23 AM
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I think there is a truth.
Part of that truth would be that there is something which exists.
We don't have to be gods
and what we can be is similar enough to a god
that is good enough for who we are.

There is no such thing as nothing, that is what I think is true.
We might think we are not "real" because on a quantum level we see particles with spaces in between. One way to look at that is that what we call particles are just the detectable and measurable manifestations of our existence but what fills the spaces between those blips on the oscilloscope are just as real and full of substance as those blips we can put on a graph.



posted on Mar, 2 2012 @ 09:30 AM
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I asked more as a hypothetical. I'm still not sure what I believe.


I believe for example that our last thought is all of our existence. I'm just not sure what that means.



posted on Mar, 2 2012 @ 01:59 PM
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Well, we can say for sure that there was a concept of an afterlife within the OT, and that it wasn't particularly a "pleasant" place. Sheol, the word most often translated to hell means the grave or underworld. In comparison, the word Abaddon means place of destruction or underworld.

According to Proverbs 9:18:

"But he does not know that the dead are there, that her guests are in the depths of Sheol."

The dead include anybody who has died.

Also the Rephaim. The Rephaim are the angels that sinned, the nephillim (giant clan), and their descendants the mighty kings and chiefs of the old.

"For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into sheol and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment" - Peter 2:4

"And they do not lie with the mighty, the fallen from among the uncircumcised, who went down to Sheol with their weapons of war, whose swords were laid under their heads, and whose iniquities are upon their bones; for the terror of the mighty men was in the land of the living." - Ezekial 32:27

Looking at this verse, we see that Sheol had fire

" Sheol, the barren womb, the land never satisfied with water, and the fire that never says, “Enough.”-Proverbs 30:16

The Proverbs are said to have been written by Solomon himself. That being said, Solomon was a pretty concise writer but maybe here he takes a metaphorical approach that is often misinterpreted.

"Sheol and Abaddon are never full; so the eyes of man are never satisfied." - Proverbs 27:20

The fire that never says enough and the place that is never full. These are two descriptions from the same book about Sheol, most likely what they're trying to describe is the magnitude and disparity of death. When you die, you go to sheol, a place where nobody remembers you and everybody must go here until judgment so I'd imagine the capacity to be limitless.

" What man can live and never see death? Who can deliver his soul from the power of Sheol? Selah" - Ps. 89:48

Here is every instance of the word sheol in the OT: www.michaelsheiser.com...

So we can see that the OT did have a concept of Hell, but it was not everlasting. The Greeks really amplified or over exaggerated the meaning of sheol. In Greek translations the word Abaddon was actually personified to be a demon that rules over hell.



posted on Mar, 2 2012 @ 04:40 PM
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I don't know whether to take the OP seriously or not. His interpretation is ... in left field. He deliberately takes scripture and ignores everything around it as well as other verses that state hell is a very real place.

Here , ill post this one simple verse.



Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS.
(Matthew 25:41)

It is called!! The second death. The lake of fire , final judgment.

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I don think you understand scripture. Not ONLY do you have eternal separation from God , you also are in the fiery pit where it is the ONLY place God does not maintain his presence. Hell is without God and its for eternity.

If you don't want anything to do with God , then there is a place where you wont have anything to do with God. Hell. You are an Eternal spirit. Your soul does not die. Your body will , but your soul will remain. The only place your Soul can die , which it doesn't actually die , but is eternally condemned is Hell which is refered to as the 2nd death because you are without God in eternal torment forever and are forgotten.

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Ill just go ahead and post these. As its very obvious , hell is a very real place.

Revelation 14:11, And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night...

Revelation 20:12, 15, And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life...And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Matthew 10:28, And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Luke 12:5, But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which AFTER he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Matthew 18:8, 9 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or feet to be cast into everlasting fire. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

Matthew 25:46, And these shall go away into EVERLASTING punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

II Thessalonians 1:9 Who shall be punished with EVERLASTING destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power.

Isaiah 66:24, And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be abhorring unto all flesh.

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Do you also forget this story!?

22. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23. And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

The Rich man has yet to face the second death , which is the final judgment. Hell is probably a cake walk compared to what the Lake of Fire (The 2nd death) is going to be like.
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posted on Mar, 2 2012 @ 05:32 PM
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It is called!! The second death. The lake of fire , final judgment.

Those are in Revelation and are symbolic
of the idea of the death of death,
and not literal
or describing hell
but the end of hell.
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posted on Mar, 2 2012 @ 06:28 PM
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The 2nd death is symbolic because you are already dead. It is simply stating that you have faced final judgment and will be cast into the lake of fire for eternity and forgotten as you face an eternal free fall of fire and the worst part is that you are without God. There is no hope of rescue , nothing but pain and torment without the hope of God.

Man that is scary. I couldn't imagine. I know one thing for sure , if Jesus is there ill definitely be meeting him at the pearly gates but if it manages to some how all actually be a fairy tale ... i lose absolutely nothing. I much rather be safe than sorry. Jesus i do choose.
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posted on Mar, 2 2012 @ 08:50 PM
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. . . nothing but pain and torment without the hope of God.
That is some speculation and not something that is explicit in the Bible.

I think the best way to take Revelation is to think of it describing things that people expected to happen in the physical world, and to place them the present as accomplished things; events on a spiritual level that were taken care of in Heaven but which affects all of us living on the earth.

Everything described in Revelation by John, he saw as current events, things that happened as he watched. He does not describe being taken to the future and seeing things that were going to happen at some later date.
What reading Revelation should do is relieve the reader from anxiety about what the future may bring, or if there are terrible Old Testament prophecies that still remain to be fulfilled. We are left with the invitation to join what has already been set up for us to enjoy, a world without death and suffering. Even though it looks like those things still exist in the observable world, we know their power has been effectively taken away.
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