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The TRUTH about Hell (May shock you...)

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posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 04:05 PM
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This is the truth about Hell, coming from a Christian. The truth is..... Hell does NOT exist. Atleast not as we commonly envision it. When most people hear of the word Hell, they think of an eternal place of fiery torment. The truth is, no such place exists. The word Hell is a translation of Sheol, Hades, and sometimes Gehenna (in the NT). Hell, otherwise known as Sheol, or Hades, also translated from Gehenna in the NT, is the grave, death, non existence, and oblivion. What atheists commonly believe happens in death, is what actually happens to them when they are sent to Hell. Hell is eternal separation from God. The bible is very clear that the punishment for sin is DEATH, not eternal life in a fiery place. People do not believe in Jesus so we can escape hell and live eternally, no, we believe in Jesus so that we will not PERISH, but have eternal life.

I can give more examples and answer specific questions, but we need to start spreading the truth. A lot of people don't believe in Christ because they can't stomach the idea of people burning eternally in Hell. No one is burning eternally! Satan (evil) DOES exist, but he doesn't "dwell" in a fiery pit, he lives right here, on Earth.

This may shock some fundamentalist Christians, but please have an open mind and do some research on this. If you seek the truth, you will find it!

Look into Carlton Pearsons story. Also, www.helltruth.com ... , is a very good starting reference point. There are countless other websites and topics online discussing this matter as well. God bless you all!




posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 04:12 PM
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thats a very good way of putting it, very interesting theory

but at the end of the day its still all about faith



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 04:12 PM
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we are in hell. look around death everywhere. animal kills animal animal kills man man kills animal man kills man weather kills man and animal and now man is killing weather. to leave hell is to get out of this place. that is the purpose of life. to go home and be 1 with god/master creator/true consciousness/love.



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by Iason321
This is the truth about Hell, coming from a Christian. The truth is..... Hell does NOT exist. Atleast not as we commonly envision it. When most people hear of the word Hell, they think of an eternal place of fiery torment. The truth is, no such place exists. The word Hell is a translation of Sheol, Hades, and sometimes Gehenna (in the NT). Hell, otherwise known as Sheol, or Hades, also translated from Gehenna in the NT, is the grave, death, non existence, and oblivion. What atheists commonly believe happens in death, is what actually happens to them when they are sent to Hell. Hell is eternal separation from God. The bible is very clear that the punishment for sin is DEATH, not eternal life in a fiery place. People do not believe in Jesus so we can escape hell and live eternally, no, we believe in Jesus so that we will not PERISH, but have eternal life.

I can give more examples and answer specific questions, but we need to start spreading the truth. A lot of people don't believe in Christ because they can't stomach the idea of people burning eternally in Hell. No one is burning eternally! Satan (evil) DOES exist, but he doesn't "dwell" in a fiery pit, he lives right here, on Earth.

This may shock some fundamentalist Christians, but please have an open mind and do some research on this. If you seek the truth, you will find it!

Look into Carlton Pearsons story. Also, www.helltruth.com ... , is a very good starting reference point. There are countless other websites and topics online discussing this matter as well. God bless you all!


And it's up to you, the person who started this thread, to link up the reference points to add more validity to your post. You don't HAVE to of course, but it's ATS etiquette. In case you haven't noticed people here are not going to believe you on your word alone. Especially when it comes to THIS topic.

Anyway, whether hell is a lake of fire or absolute nothingness, it's still a scare tactic as far as I'm concerned.




posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 04:15 PM
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I personally thought we were living in it.



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 04:18 PM
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Here are some quick verses and points I can make. I can elaborate more later and articulate some of my own views more thoroughly.

Matthew 25:41 speaks of "everlasting fire" for the wicked. Does it go out?

Yes, according to the Bible, it does. We must let the Bible explain itself. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed with everlasting, or eternal, fire (Jude 7), and that fire turned them "into ashes" as a warning to "those that after should live ungodly," 2 Peter 2:6. These cities are not burning today. The fire went out after everything was burned out. Likewise, everlasting fire will go out after it has turned the wicked to ashes (Malachi 4:3). The effects of the fire are everlasting, but not the burning itself.


Doesn't Matthew 25:46 say the wicked will receive "everlasting punishment"?
Notice the word is punishment, not punishing. Punishing would be continuous, while punishment is one act. The punishment of the wicked is death, and this death is everlasting.

Why does the Bible say that the wicked will be destroyed with unquenchable fire?

Unquenchable fire is fire that cannot be put out, but which goes out when it has turned everything to ashes. Jeremiah 17:27 says Jerusalem was to be destroyed with unquenchable fire, and in 2 Chronicles 36:19-21 the Bible says this fire burned the city "to fulfill the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah" and left it desolate. Yet we know this fire went out, because Jerusalem is not burning today.

To quench means to extinguish or put out. No one will be able to put out the fire of hell. That is the strange fire of God. No one will be able to escape from it by extinguishing it. Isaiah says of that fire, "Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor a fire to sit before it" (Isaiah 47:14). After it has accomplished its work of destruction, that fire will go out. No one can deliver themselves from its flame by putting it out, but finally not a coal will be left. So say the Scriptures.

Death, Not Eternal Torment
The Bible tells us that "the wages of sin is" not eternal life in hellfire, but "death" (Romans 6:23), the same penalty God assured Adam and Eve would be theirs if they ate the forbidden fruit.

Ezekiel states clearly that "the soul that sinneth, it shall die" (Ezekiel 18:4), and a plethora of other Bible verses and passages endorse this position. The prophet Malachi wrote that sinners would burn up as "stubble" and would become "ashes under the soles" of the feet of the redeemed (Malachi 4:1, 3). Even the final fate of Satan is explicitly pronounced in Ezekiel 28:18, where the Bible says that the enemy of souls will be reduced to ashes upon the "earth."

Compare that with Psalm 37:10 ("For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be"), Psalm 68:2 ("as wax melteth before the fire, so let the wicked perish at the presence of God"), and other similar verses. Soon you get a clear picture that the purpose of the fires of hell is to eradicate sin and to expunge the universe of its awful presence.

Interestingly, it was the devil who was first to suggest that sinners would not die (Genesis 3: 4). A hell where sinners never perish would prove the devil right and would make God, who told Eve she would "surely die" as a result of transgression (Genesis 2:17), a liar.



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by symogums
we are in hell. look around death everywhere. animal kills animal animal kills man man kills animal man kills man weather kills man and animal and now man is killing weather. to leave hell is to get out of this place. that is the purpose of life. to go home and be 1 with god/master creator/true consciousness/love.


Actually, life is pretty darn beautiful. You create your own hell. And your own heaven.

AS for the OP, I sure hope you are right. Oblivion sounds perfect for me after death. Live my life to the fullest and then cease to exist. That is what i hope happens anyway.
Christian heaven never really appealed to me. Jesus is simply an example of how to live life while we're here. The rest is mumbo jumbo ...IMHO of course



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by pierregustavetoutant

Originally posted by symogums
we are in hell. look around death everywhere. animal kills animal animal kills man man kills animal man kills man weather kills man and animal and now man is killing weather. to leave hell is to get out of this place. that is the purpose of life. to go home and be 1 with god/master creator/true consciousness/love.


Actually, life is pretty darn beautiful. You create your own hell. And your own heaven.

AS for the OP, I sure hope you are right. Oblivion sounds perfect for me after death. Live my life to the fullest and then cease to exist. That is what i hope happens anyway.
Christian heaven never really appealed to me. Jesus is simply an example of how to live life while we're here. The rest is mumbo jumbo ...IMHO of course


God blessed you with free will so you are perfectly free to choose that decision. The eternal life heaven brings is better than anything the human mind could fathom, the constant bliss and euphoria making sex and heroin look dull. That sounds so much better to me than an eternal dirtnap, complete and utter unconsciousness, everlasting.

Also, I agree Hell is on earth, in a way. I am a Christian, and I do believe in Satan and Demons. I just believe they exist, mostly here on Earth, and in the Spirit realm. They don't hangout torturing people in the pits during the day, and at night go and scare people on Earth. They're always roaming earth....at work.....just look in the news.



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 04:27 PM
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Well if this is hell then a suppose the 7 circles/degrees of hell are relevant, i mean here we have first, second and third world countrys. I know here in the UK we have it a bit better than say Afghanistan, Siria, Iraq, N Korea, Mexico or even the US. Maybe it depends on how naughty we were in Atlantis or Lemuria as to where, when, and social status we are incarnated to in this realm! LoL LoL



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 04:29 PM
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I honestly believe North Korea is the closest thing to the classical Hell in existence. It's a seriously scary place.



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 04:35 PM
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I think its very possible we Create our own Hell....

Though i also believe you can possibly land yourself in the proverbial "hell" if your belief of its existance is strong enough...




posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 04:41 PM
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I don't have any links right now, but do please search here about hell and on youtube as well.

There are some very convincing stories by people who say they believe in Jesus and are Christians and Jesus did visit them. He showed them hell, actually walked through the place called hell with these people on these videos you will find (search youtube and ATS, many have been posted). They tell of souls being tortured, and so many other horrible things...

What are your thoughts on those stories from "witnesses" like the one I'm supposing is in your link.. sorry I'm in a hurry and your post caught my attention but no time to view the link....

Thanks for your post.



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 04:44 PM
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I'm spiritual so I believe in a different concept completely to the traditional religions.

But IN MY OPINION
(little disclaimer there) you are correct in your belief that there is no "hell"

It's often said that "god" created everything, in which case he created "hell" and the "devil".. so if he/she is all loving, why would he do that to punish people? Because he demands loyalty and if he doesn't get it, you go to the firery furnace! Doesn't sound all that loving to me.

Anyhoo, I digress... What I believe happens is that when we die we go through a readjustment process to cleanse our spirit from the contamination of this place. Usually, for most of us it's just a spiritual "shower" to cleanse us but for those real bad'uns they go to almost what is like a spiritual hospital where they receive greater readjustments..

Now those who do far worse atrosities, they are given a choice, they can either have their energy diluted with fresh energy (essentially removing the greater part of who you are although you keep some identity) or you can go into a self imposed solitude or limbo.

That limbo would be, as I see it, the eternal emptiness of "hell"



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 04:45 PM
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Good mind. Too many people are misinterpreting the bible and by doing so they make god more evil than satan. The word hell actually comes from the eternal flame in Israel's dump where waste was continuously burned. Nobody gets punished and nobody is forever away from god. Even Lilith, a demon, will find peace in the presence of god in the end.



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 04:48 PM
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wait, so if someone is REALLY bad, they die FOREVER?

meaning they cease to exist and don't even know they don't exist?

what happens to GOOD people when they die?



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 04:50 PM
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I have seen the stories of Mary K Baxter and a few others. I believe they may possibly be telling the truth. If they are, then I believe they had a dream or a vision that there own mind created, out of Christian fundamentalist beliefs. If they were in fact visited by a supernatural entity and it wasn't just a delusion of there mind, and it showed them a place like Hell, I would say it was a spirit/demon or even Satan himself, possibly disguised as Jesus, or an Angel, and showing a person like Mary a vision such as this in order to scare people and separate them from God.

Or she could just be making the whole thing up, and did it for the money / fame / whatever. Only God knows, I suppose...



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 04:52 PM
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You got it. Paradise, Heaven, is what we are granted through Christ.



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 04:53 PM
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so even really bad people get to turn good eventually?



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 04:59 PM
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Here are the three words found throughout the Bible, that have been translated to "Hell".

First up we have Sheol: Sheol, translated as "grave", "pit", or "abode of the dead", is the Old Testament/Hebrew Bible's underworld, a place of darkness to which those outside of faith in a coming Messiah go, a place of stillness and darkness cut off from God.

Next we have Hades: The term hades in Christian theology (and in New Testament Greek) is parallel to Hebrew sheol (שאול, grave or dirt-pit), and refers to the abode of the dead. The Christian concept of hell is more akin to and communicated by the Greek concept of Tartarus, a deep, gloomy part of hades used as a dungeon of torment and suffering.

And last but not least, we have, from the New Testament, and what Jesus himself spoke of (mostly), Gehenna:
Gehenna (Greek γέεννα), Gehinnom (Rabbinical Hebrew: גהנום/גהנם) and Yiddish Gehinnam, are terms derived from a place outside ancient Jerusalem known in the Hebrew Bible as the Valley of the Son of Hinnom (Hebrew: גֵיא בֶן־הִנֹּם or גיא בן-הינום); one of the two principal valleys surrounding the Old City.

In the Hebrew Bible, the site was initially where apostate Israelites and followers of various Ba'als and Caananite gods, including Moloch, sacrificed their children by fire (2 Chr. 28:3, 33:6; Jer. 7:31, 19:2-6).

Gehenna is cited in the New Testament. In early Christian writing it represents the final place where the wicked will be punished or destroyed after the Resurrection of the Dead.



posted on Feb, 13 2012 @ 06:07 PM
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I think I'll stick with what Jesus had to say on this subject:


Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Mat 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Mat 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Mat 11:23 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.

Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Read more: wiki.answers.com...


I read a book "23 Minutes in Hell" by Bill Wiese. If it is true, and I believe his story, it's worse than your worse nightmare.




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