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The Devil's Chord: The conspiracy to open the portal of consciousness and mystery of the octave

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posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by fulllotusqigong

Originally posted by rwfresh
Hi qi, i have been reading this thread for the last few days. I was wondering if you could summarize, the main ideas/discoveries as they relate directly to the OP. With all the different ideas being explored here i think i am missing the main point.. or rather.. it's escaped me. I am genuinely interested!




So the basic truth is this "three in one" secret of complementary opposites resonating eternally
edit on 15-2-2012 by fulllotusqigong because: (no reason given)


Interesting video and quote.. I see that a lot of this thread has degenerated into a proof session.. an unproductive proof session. Mainly people arguing that you don't have a point. I am not suggesting that you don't.. but i don't get it. I'm not sure what your novel idea is? I see lots of quotes and links and videos.. Lots of what i might have already seen in my 15 years of all night internet "truth porn" sessions.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Get it? Letters on the internet OR THE ULTIMATE TRUTH!

You've got a lot of quotes, links, ideas. A lot. It would be interesting if you could pull them together into a novel idea that gave people the experience of truth. GIMME GIMME!! If only it were so easy.

When people start proving truth and reality with science and math it repulses me. It reminds me that science and math are good for one thing.. which is demonstrating that science and math are at the heart of the delusion (for many) that stands in front of Reality.

Guys have fun with your math proof contest here..




posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by rwfresh

Originally posted by fulllotusqigong

Originally posted by rwfresh
Hi qi, i have been reading this thread for the last few days. I was wondering if you could summarize, the main ideas/discoveries as they relate directly to the OP. With all the different ideas being explored here i think i am missing the main point.. or rather.. it's escaped me. I am genuinely interested!




So the basic truth is this "three in one" secret of complementary opposites resonating eternally
edit on 15-2-2012 by fulllotusqigong because: (no reason given)


Interesting video and quote.. I see that a lot of this thread has degenerated into a proof session.. an unproductive proof session. Mainly people arguing that you don't have a point. I am not suggesting that you don't.. but i don't get it. I'm not sure what your novel idea is? I see lots of quotes and links and videos.. Lots of what i might have already seen in my 15 years of all night internet "truth porn" sessions.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Get it? Letters on the internet OR THE ULTIMATE TRUTH!

You've got a lot of quotes, links, ideas. A lot. It would be interesting if you could pull them together into a novel idea that gave people the experience of truth. GIMME GIMME!! If only it were so easy.

When people start proving truth and reality with science and math it repulses me. It reminds me that science and math are good for one thing.. which is demonstrating that science and math are at the heart of the delusion (for many) that stands in front of Reality.

Guys have fun with your math proof contest here..




you make about as much sense as a potato. I've had my 3rd eyed squeegee'd clean thank you and god says numbers are far more important then potato's.... you dig?

see you're in the audience and the "math proof" crowd are the ones making the music you rock out too. So just go back to rocking out and don't question the methods.



Peace,
-TF
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posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by ThoughtForms

Originally posted by rwfresh

Originally posted by fulllotusqigong

Originally posted by rwfresh
Hi qi, i have been reading this thread for the last few days. I was wondering if you could summarize, the main ideas/discoveries as they relate directly to the OP. With all the different ideas being explored here i think i am missing the main point.. or rather.. it's escaped me. I am genuinely interested!




So the basic truth is this "three in one" secret of complementary opposites resonating eternally
edit on 15-2-2012 by fulllotusqigong because: (no reason given)


Interesting video and quote.. I see that a lot of this thread has degenerated into a proof session.. an unproductive proof session. Mainly people arguing that you don't have a point. I am not suggesting that you don't.. but i don't get it. I'm not sure what your novel idea is? I see lots of quotes and links and videos.. Lots of what i might have already seen in my 15 years of all night internet "truth porn" sessions.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Get it? Letters on the internet OR THE ULTIMATE TRUTH!

You've got a lot of quotes, links, ideas. A lot. It would be interesting if you could pull them together into a novel idea that gave people the experience of truth. GIMME GIMME!! If only it were so easy.

When people start proving truth and reality with science and math it repulses me. It reminds me that science and math are good for one thing.. which is demonstrating that science and math are at the heart of the delusion (for many) that stands in front of Reality.

Guys have fun with your math proof contest here..




you make about as much sense as a potato. I've had my 3rd eyed squeegee'd clean thank you and god says numbers are far more important then potato's.... you dig?

see you're in the audience and the "math proof" crowd are the ones making the music you rock out too. So just go back to rocking out and don't question the methods.



Peace,
-TF
edit on 15-2-2012 by ThoughtForms because: (no reason given)


Oh good. Now i don't mind participating. Sorry to jump into your pointless jerk off session here but someone should remind you that truth exists with or without any nomenclature framework. Let's avoid the inevitable declaration that my use of the word nomenclature is confusing:

Nomenclature is a term that applies to either a list of names or terms, or to the system of principles, procedures and terms related to naming - which is the assigning of a word or phrase to a particular object or property.

Science, math, religion, politics.. all nomenclature frameworks used to communicate and itemize the infinite and eternal reality and truth. And while it may seem that you personally OR the fantasy collective of scientists (you fancy yourself part of), religious scholars and mathematician are all uncovering the "secrets of the universe" you are in fact nothing but a NOTE in the true symphony that is reality.

If you could express the realization that math or science is nothing more than another instrument or song in the reality symphony rather than TRUTH itself - "the ones making the music", i could be interested, we could come to a real shared conscious experience of truth right here and now. But the juvenile ego proof jerk off session is so over done. It's painful.. but like a car wreck i can stop looking.

I am a drummer, musician, dancer, vocalist, human with a body, ears and a voice.. the audience and the artist.. Just like you. We are not actually in a competition with each other. We both know that ancient African drummers were expressing quantum math before the number 1 was drawn in the sand with a stick. If your ego doesn't allow you to admit that because you are caught in the dogma of the day then that is your song.. beautiful repetitive noise.

At the end of the day you are all pondering what was described in full understanding 1000's of years ago:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

You weren't there and your ego tells you that the author didn't know what he was talking about. He didn't really understand on a level that a mathematician understands. It's just not possible. And that is what dogma and ignorance is.

If you use math to get your closer to reality than go for it. But let go of the dogma and hatred for reality. Math and science are REFLECTIONS and descriptions or Reality. Nothing more significant than a pebble, your eyeballs, your ears, a snowstorm.. a noise. But slightly more dangerous in terms of personal realization because of it's temporal 'pop-culture' nomenclature framework characteristic.



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 11:01 AM
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Astanyax:
"Deny Ignorance, don't you know?"

No, i still don't know, it sounds like an imperative or part of one, but which
one? Is it this one: Deny ignorance the right to state partial and parts of
sentence, keep readers guessing as to the implications of the missing bits,
reserve the privilege to that degree of crypticity???? ... i thought you were all
about fighting that, never letting ignorance make itself at home without
calling the purveyor on it and out about and to account for it.
Counting has inherent and insurmountable problems and so don't think for a
minute i am firmly on your and not at all on the Drewsy side.

So, ... is it advice to never admit you don't know?
Can see neither Drew nor you ever going there.

Is it advice to denounce ignorance, deny it respectability, standing, right of
way, breastbeating ...?



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 11:11 AM
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Originally posted by LightsideAssassin
OP is trolling all of you hard. Here's my question: why are some of you so insecure with your own investigations and conclusions that you keep falling for this? He's making this # up.

It's frustrating to have to fight through what is said to get to what he means. I still think there are valid points in here somewhere and if I come to determine the juice ain't worth the squeeze then I will move on.



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 01:10 PM
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Um...thanks for the reply, I think....still not too sure what all this is supposed to mean.

You mentioned about doubling the wavelength to get the next octave and so on and this is an undeniable truth. However, the third overtone, which is a fifth, still fits in with simple math. Example: if the fundamental frequency is 100hz, the second overtone is 200hz which yes, is an octave up since it is doubled. The third overtone would be 300hz which is a fifth of the root. Now it is hard to say based on your reply but each overtone is not doubling but adding itself each overtone, which of course will doubling every so many steps.

Using a string for illustration of the ratios, as Pythagoras did with the monochord, we can easily find the fifth using the 3:2 ratio. For this to work we have to look at one end of the string as the bridge and the other end as the movable 'fret'. Find the 3:2 spot and there's your fifth. If you look at a guitar fretboard you will notice that the fret spacing gets smaller as you move up. Because as the frequency rises, even though the formulas (law of the octave, finding a fifth, etc.) stay intact, the vibrations speed up making the distances grow longer. Musically, an octave is the same note value regardless of the range, high or low. And the formula stays consistent ie. doubling or halving a frequency raises or lowers, respectively, an octave. But the frequency gap changes, for example a starting frequency of 220hz (A) doubled yields another A of 440hz, a difference of 220. The next octave 440hz up to 880hz is a difference of 440 and so on.

Using that same string, we can find the same points approaching it from the other direction, everything is mirrored in that regard, but as far as the musical note system it only works one way at a time. If you were to play each half of the string while fretting it at some point one note would be higher, one lower (except dead center which is the octave point), they would not necessarily be musical 'mirrors' like the fourth and fifth because the relation assumes the vibration between two ends, bridge and fretted note for instance, not three points as in the bridge, the fretted note and the 'nut' (as on a stringed instrument ala guitar, violin, etc).

Music made using even mathematical distances or other more mathematically 'correct' divisions sounds awful because it ignores what occurs in nature as proven out by the harmonic order of any given note. Yes, we have fudged the temperament a little to make multiple instruments in multiple keys blend better but overall, we find music most pleasing that adheres to the natural order.

It is and can never be a situation of C to A is the same as A to C, only octaves are equidistant to each starting point. This is why we do not play each half of the string or blow into the opposite end of a wind instrument. This is bore out by nature regardless of the math involved.

This is what I don't understand about the OP's original posts, what is it you are suggesting should change? Again, very simple please.



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 03:09 PM
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Note: Though my examples of a string imply a start/stop point, I use it to illustrate how notes are determined in a easy to visualize manner. As mentioned above, the sound we hear is measured as a unit of time, the hertz (one hertz equals one vibration a second). Zero vibration, zero or no frequency, there is no negative to be had. You can see a string vibrate, which again lends itself to illustration purposes but the sound you ear is air molecules set into motion at the specific hertz. No vibration, no air molecules moving, no sound.

Sometimes I think this thread is akin to measuring centimeters with an air pressure gauge.

Pythagorean note division, in my understanding, takes a root note and divides it from that. Ex. To find the whole note up from A440hz we take 440hz mulitply by 1.225 to get B 495hz which is 1.12hz sharp of the formula we use now. The next whole step is taking the same root of 440hz and multiplying it by 1.25 to get a C# of 550hz, which is 4.37hz FLAT from our current formula. This is where some of the problem occurs (whether it is related to the OP's theory, I don't know). Each note is a slightly differently formula based using the original starting root. The more accepted current formula has us finding the next note based on the previous note, not a root. Why is this important?

If we were to always start with the same root, it would be less off, but when the root changes so do the following notes in the scale using a Pythagorean formula. Using the accepted modern formula of multiplying the previous note by 1.059463094359 to find the next note (half step ie. A to A#) it doesn't matter what the root note is that we start with. As each note increases or decreases in hertz the relation stays the same as I mentioned above, the distance changes though because as notes ascend the frequency ascends too.



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 04:12 PM
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yes, you´re right, there is valid points in all of drew´s research!

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The worst thing to do when trying to understand someone´s reality tunnel is to apply our current understand over it close the possibilities for new way of undersand reality.

Cool to see Drew still has a way of attracting the anger from priests from the religion of technology (as Prof. David Noble defines it).
We live in a reality tunnel where we struck our conscious energy in the lower body.

Our current paradigm in science is totally dependent on the commutative ring axiom.

We are being led, by current science, to believe the mind is a byproduct from the brain.

We live in a world where more and more dis-eases are taking over the first world.

Even the non-scientific people, the religious people, fall to the trap of excessive belief in symmetry. William Burroughs called it OGU (one god universe).
So how to change it?

First we have to address the root of this possible problem.

the main root of all of this is the conceptual axiom that the parts of a system should be symmetrical if it desires to be in HARMONY. This in math is called COMMUTATIVE RING, or AxB=BxA.

From this principle (the commutative ring) we created a body of rules and paradigms in science, and even in religion, that separates our perception from nature itself (our game of denying being part of it) For example, as someone on this forum talked about maxwell´s quaternions in here. To work with an asymmetrical principle (most of things in nature) with our math that has as a main basic principle the commutative ring we first need to CHANGE what we gonna study, I mean, our science takes the information in nature which is assymétrical and DIVERGENT and converts it to an symmetrical and CONVERGENTE group of data to work with.
This is, as a principle, exactly what we did with the musical scales, as drew demonstrated.

In ancient music we got the asymmetrical intervals and, mainly since old non-pre-socratic Greece, we develop the obsession and the desire to “correct” it´s ugliness (natural asymmetry), so we transformed ancient music into symmetrical intervals. Buy by doing so we generate a comma, an extra group of data that can´t be used and should be discarded and watched over to avoid its return, because if this comma returns to the scale, it will create a hell of a mess to the fragile artificial symmetry we applied to it. So, conceptualy, the kind of technology we create, it prefers to change nature into artificial symmetry instead of flowing with it.

So it´s a matter of the right tool for the right job. And our Math has no asymmetrical tool for the job. IT´s all about the commutative ring, so even when working with asymmetrical systems (like nature) it has to convert it into symmetrical to process it. IT´s simple, drew is saying that western math and music take what is divergent (spiraling out) by nature and converge it before giving any kind of result. It´s a fact. Check, I don´t know, Wikipedia?, to get informations about the commutative ring and the non-commutative ring.

Now, I´m not 100% with drew on the consequences of “raping” nature with symmetry. I do know drew for the last 10yrs. Or so. I´m very good at math and good enough in music. I´m so-so in physics, i´ve studied electrical engineer for two yrs before change my mind and go to journalism school and drop it too to work as a photographer and illustrator and now as a computer graphics animator and advertising film director. So I have some background to understand a great chunk of drew hypothesis.

We try to solve all with symmetry, as the case with the music intervals, therefore, as in the case of music intervals, we create commas in science and all the range of activities that rely on science.

So this is the radical part of this use of musical model to explain things: if we try to understand nature (that is asymmetrical and divergent) with concepts and tools that are symmetrical and convergent) we gonna create dissonances in return and enter in a cycle of solving a dissonance with more symmetry to generate even more dissonance in the next octave ´till we # everything up! (we are already doing so! Our tech gives us marvelous stuff at the same time it acidify the oceans ending up #ing up with animals that depends on ultrasound for communication to reproduction. Our tech gives us marvelous tools as computer hi-res screens, but in return any cycle above 30hz is with time stressful to the human cells, etc, etc.)

non-commutative is so alien to our understand of thing that, as an example, if you go to Mr. Wolfram Math repository site you gonna find only ONE EMPTY page about it!!non-commutative is so alien to our understand of thing that, as an example, if you go to Mr. Wolfram Math repository site you gonna find only ONE EMPTY page about it!!

Now let´s go to the possible solutions for this.

1.full-lotus as a solution. Drew said full-lotus can transform the excess of electrochemical information in the lower body into electromagnectic information in the upper body. Some angry scientific trolls started to make fun of it.

for the materialistic people the thing is in the physiology.

siting in full-lotus will put a great chunk of pressure into your SACRUM! The sacrum is empty and pressure there will start to create small levels of ultra sound that will TRANSDUCE the energy from electrochemical into electromagnetic (remember, SOUND is PRESSURE WAVES, and it´s been prove that ultrasound can transduce energy from one state to other… use uncle google, he is your friend!!
)… so this is one of the main reasons why full-lotus is a great tool.

It took me one year of daily chikung to sit in full-lotus with ease, before my one year of spring forest qigong I could barely sit in freestyle (like an north American indian) for more than a couple of minutes without felling a hell of pain in my back and legs!


After i´ve learned to sit in full-lotus, it´s a #ing bliss, full-lotus and half-lotus all day long. I even cut the legs from all my tables in my studio so I can sit in full-lotus and half-lotus anternated all day!!


So it´s one solution, but it´s a personal one.

2. Music create patterns in our brain.
It´s known that music create patterns in our brain. So if we just listen to music made with symmetrical and proportional intervals, some kind of patterns will form… with non-western music (mostly live, since hard to find speakers in home and computers that can produce ultrasound!
) so with non-western music we can generate other kind of patterns, since the intervals are asymmetrical. Drew have posted links to papers demonstrated, among otherthings, how ultrasound can stimulate the brain, the center of the brain, so on.

Also, Pineal Gland is a place made for sonoluminescence production. See? Pineal gland has fluid and cavitation in it! So with ultrasound stimulus in it we can ionize it a lot, we can produce tons of melatonie, and also we can generate little bubbles of light! By my personal experience, seeing light while practicing small universe (the oldest meditation that exist, it´s part of spring forest chikung and also is a “secret” inside the kriya yoga school) is relaxing, insightful and healing.
So, changing the king of music we listen to is a way of changing the patterns in our brain and so maybe it will reflect in the patterns we create in the world too.

3.creating a science where natural resonance ratios are important.
Well, this third item i´ll say nothing, since it´s what i´m working for the past 5 yrs. But a simple example of using natural resonance (non-comutative) musical ratios in technology is The Sonic Bloom, it´s a kit with audio from birds generating the fifth and forth in a repeated way so the intensity will affect the plants cells to expand more, taking more nutrients. It´s amazing. I use it to feed my home grown food (i´m a raw vegetarian) as my wife garden.

And this is just the tip of the iceberg…

Now those open minded, the daily practice of small universe from spring forest qigong, or the listening of music without symmetrical intervals, or the use of tech like the sonic bloom are just a few of the examples of the changes we can make personally or collectively to a better and more harmonious world.
And those so full of the “right” paradigm, well, you can keep projecting your anger on drew, it´s funny to read your assumptions about my crazy druid friend!


KALLISTI and have a nice day and a lovely life!

Guto Novo.
www.gutonovo.com

ps: and pardon my bad English. I´m Brazilian and not north-american.

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posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 04:53 PM
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thanks for the message. awesome!



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by Mary Rose

Originally posted by fulllotusqigong
So again my model is that science is based on left-brain and right hand asymmetry that is going against ecology that relies on left-handed asymmetric carbon-based molecules with right-brain dominance asymmetry (shamanism).


Do you use the terms "left-brain" and "left-handed" interchangeably?


I'll give you the explain of the Berber village I visited as on the fulcrum of left-handed carbon-based ecology and right-brain dominant shamanism versus right-hand dominant (iron-silica-silicon technology) and left-brain dominant (modern monotheistic Freemasonic) culture.

Sweet! Yes my friend was in the Peace Corps in Morocco and so she was fluent in Arabic and her Peace Corps friend lived in the most traditional Berber village - their language was so traditional that a specialist from the University had to be brought in - they spoke in rhyming verse!!

So the women make all their own clothing from wild sheep that are herded in the mountains and the women do the farming but the soil fertility is from humanure that is composted with the straw in the barns that are made out of mud. All their houses are made of mud with wild asymmetrical steps.

The women have no tolerance for pollution and in this village the government had just put a gravel road nearby and while we were there one truck drove by and all the women raised their fists in the air and yelled at the truck. haha.

There was also a wedding that we attended with the amazing Berber trance music and the Berber had black pails outside their houses containing "stink bombs" that scare away the evil spirits. The females are not allowed to talk to the males until they get married but the older couples watch the younger ones and when the younger ones like each other then the older ones "hook them up" to get married. Since I was a foreigner a young female could talk to me and she looked me up and down and said "muzzein" -- that's not the right spelling but that's how it sounded phonetically and in Berber it means: nice! haha.



O.K. I've had several responses about the logarithmic nature of frequency versus wavelength and how it's close to the natural overtones but not quite but good enough and that's why it sounds harmonious.

Yes that is all true but what I'm saying is that the basic octave Perfect Fourth and Perfect Fifth are the same as the Tai-Chi symbol of Taoism.

I appreciate professional musicians and craftsmen of the trade and I realize that professional musicians focus on sound. I'm talking about sound transforming into something different than sound because of a nonlinear feedback. This nonlinear feedback in science is called either:

quantum chaos

or

quantum relativity

or

sonofusion.

O.K. these are all cutting edge controversial topics in science. So Puharich for example still relies on classical physics -- not quantum -- but he is working with de Broglie's Law of Phase Harmony and Puharich is using high frequency sound.

Because it's high frequency sound there are more beats -- precisely because the overtone frequencies are more in dissonance -- and so this creates a nonlinear feedback of subharmonics as low frequency sound that has a higher amplitude.

So Puharich is saying that you have precession as spin which is a backwards wobble -- like the precession of the planet or the backwards wobble of a spinning top -- and this creates a backwards time phase. This is called the spin echo effect.

So by time-frequency uncertainty it must be realized that Hertz as "beats per second" still means second is measured as spatial distance -- not time.

That's why physics is inherently quantum -- not classical. Quantum time is inherently uncertainty -- so it's not just that frequency and wavelength are inversely proportional -- when you measure one against the other and you change their direction then you also change the amplitude by reversing the phase.

In other words superliminal speed as high frequency then spreads out time -- slows it down - from relativity but then it goes into a singularity as infinity and then spacetime reverses from a black hole to a white hole, creating biophotons.

O.K. Puharich calls this Phonon Hydron -- which means that the subharmonic of the proton precession and the electron orbit around the proton is acoustic energy as sound -- 100 hertz range and that the hydrogen proton coupling is in the ELF range of 8 hertz -- but that this creates sonofusion as a singularity. It splits water into hydrogen free energy and it also creates "biological weak transmutations" via Kervan equations -- which means that the protons change, not just the electrons, and so there is alchemical transmutation of elements from weak ELF waves.

So the highest sound we hear in our ears resonates into ultrasound in our brains and the subharmonics of the ultrasound turn into ELF waves which then ionize our electrochemicals as alchemy. This process is nonlinear feedback that reverses spacetime - creating precognition and astral spirit travel through coherent biophotons.

Now that's the Puharich covert science explanation but it really doesn't have to be that complicated -- this is the natural resonance of reality and the secret meaning of sound in nonwestern. The logarithmics attempt to "contain" sound as a geometric material measurement but we do not perceive sound as a visual distant. We listen to sound -- what is the source of sound?

So for example when the Western trained musicians look at Chinese music tuning for example the Western trained musician project their logarithmic geometric materialism onto the nonwestern sound, thereby not understanding the inherent complementary opposite noncommutative resonance.


Stuart Isacoff in his book Temperament: How Music Became a Battleground for the Great Minds of Western Civilization notes how the math ratio 5/4 was also the major third music interval – but 5/4 was also the cube root of two, thereby launching the three dimensional perspective for the Renaissance. But when it came to the ancient use of the music ratios Isacoff stated that even China had developed a sense of using the Great Dragon tuning spiral of fifths 2/3 or 666 tuning as instead a geometric averaged proportion, so that a balanced geometric music scale was achieved.214



214 John H. Lienhard, “No 380: Equal Temperament,” Engines of our Ingenuity: “The startling thing about all this is that the modern scheme of equal temperament isn't a Western one at all. Mersenne's book came out in 1636. But a very different author published the same theory a half-century earlier. It was published in 1584 by Chu Tsai- Yu, a prince of the Ming dynasty. The first Western reference to Chu was made by a European mathematician in 1620. That was 16 years before Mersenne; and Mersenne didn't mention Chu at all. Many European inventions were made independently after the Chinese had thought of them first. Not this one. A Jesuit student of China, Matteo Ricci, attended a Chinese trade fair in Canton the same year Chu published his work. Ricci almost certainly brought Chu's work out of China and back to the West.”



But, as with McClain, this claim by Isacoff for a Chinese equal-tempered tuning is projecting a Western “divide and average” perspective onto what was originally a philosophy of complementary opposites – something explicit in the true “orthodox” Pythagorean teachings and also in the Taoist teachings.215 As John S. Major explains: “The ratios given here will yield an untempered chromatic scale regardless of what note is chosen as the fundamental.” The Chinese concept of music as radically different than the West: “This is not simply a case of assigning pitchpipes to the 24 nodes as a system of correspondence; rather the qi [energy] of the nodes
themselves were believed to resonate these tones. With the arrival of each seasonal node, in
other words, the appropriate pitchpipe was supposed to spontaneously emit its note.”216



215 Cheng-yih Chen, Wei-Si Tan, Zhi-Mei Shu (editor), Two-Tone Set-Bells of Marquis Yi (The Wei-Kung Books on the History of Science and Technology in East Asia (World Scientific Pub Co Inc, 1994). This book proves the 5th C. BCE existence of the 12 tone chromatic music scale in China, built from the spiral of fifths concept – the Great Dragon Tuning. 216 John S. Major, “Celestial Cycles and Mathematical Harmonies in the Huainanzi,” Extrême-Orient, Extrême- Occident, 1994


So people keep asking -- what tuning system should we use?

The answer is that it's very very simple. I have reference the P/B tuning system revealed by Dr. Victor Grauer -- this is the original music tuning system for 90% of human history -- from 100,000 BCE to 10,000 BCE. It is trance sound that uses the basic octave-perfect fifth and perfect fourth to resonate sound as alchemy. I have described how this process takes place based on Western science terms -- but Western science is inherently wrong and limited because of the conspiracy of the "rotten root" -- the conspiracy of taking time as a spatial symmetric measurement.

Consciousness is the formless process of complementary opposites so we can not "contain" time as an image or spatial measurement. The source of sound is consciousness.

I am saying that the music used for 90% of human history is the proper music to use -- not Western tuning -- here's the book with plenty of audio examples

Now does Dr. Victor Grauer understand the esoteric secret of the P/B (Pgymy Bushmen) music? No -- because when he applies it to China he makes the same mistake as other Western musciologists -- he says that the Yellow Emperor divided the pipes into thirds not based on the music sounding nice but just because it was simple math.

In the West this is called the "consonance coincidence" theory of the Law of Pythagoras but again it ignores the fact that the Chinese divided the notes based on yin and yang -- the male and female principles -- so that the Perfect Fifth is yang and the Perfect Fourth is yin -- and this basic pentatonic scale from the perfect fifths was to resonate sound into electromagnetic chi energy and then into biophoton spirit shen energy.

So there is a great secret to sound that has been covered up by the West since the very foundation of the West. I have documented the mathematicians discussiong this.


Earlier in David Fowler’s definitive book on the subject, The Mathematics of Plato's Academy, he wrangles with this music issue, stating: ...the manipulations of music theory seem to depend fundamentally on the operation of compounding, an operation which seems to pose some serious problems for mathematicians. My purely speculative suggestion...is that music theory might plausibly give some help with this problem.196



196 David Fowler, The Mathematics of Plato's Academy: A New Reconstruction, Oxford: Clarendon Press, (1987); paperback edition, (1989). Second ed., with addenda, (1999).


O.K. so as I stated math professors Joe Mazur and Luigi Borzacchini checked out my music math research and Mazur stated I had done very valuable research and he asked me to submit it for publication in a math journal. Borzacchini said that my mathematics was good -- and this was the secret music equation based on complementary opposites that converts the continued proportions to irrational geometry by Archytas.

haha. It's a conspiracy -- so when we talk about reverse time -- backwards time and antimatter singularities -- we are talking about alchemy but keep in mind that I have personally received energy from an alchemy master who went a month in full lotus in a cave taking next to no water, no food and no sleep. Chunyi Lin, qigong master, has been verified by the Mayo Clinic medical doctors, a top hospital, and by the University of Minnesota -- using "randomized controlled" science standards -- that "external qi" energy is real.

So the yang is 2:3 and the yin is 3:4 and this creates qi energy. I tested it out and it worked. Then I spent ten years converting it back to Western science. It does not convert back to Western science because of this fundamental mathematic difference about commutative math from music. I exposed the conspiracy.

haha.


This qigong healing is real.

There are many healing testimonies like this from Chunyi Lin healing people.

So what I recommend is to practice the "small universe" alchemy music scale -- the 12 notes along the outside of the body. I am not selling anything. I have books online but I posted them as full free preview and the cost of the book is no money back to me -- so if someone "buys" a book from lulu.com there is no money for me -- that means it's the cheapest cost for a book. I have provided my book as a free download.

I realize that paranormal spiritual healing from the nonwestern philosophy of sound is very wild stuff -- and there's a lot of denial about it. haha. That's why it's a conspiracy. The concept of Hertz is very deeply grounded in the West going back to the Pythagorean Theorem -- with the irrational number as geometry. Nope -- the irrational number comes from this problem in music theory that time is not a spatial measurement!!

So the Pythagoreans spent nine years in silence to train like the qigong masters -- listening to the source of sound as meditation.

That is the real Pythagorean teaching. The Pythagorean Theorem is a lie -- a creation of Archytas -- not Pythagoras.

You can get the half hour small universe meditation c.d. which again is the 12 notes of the scale as the points along the outside of the body -- you practice the music scale just like a musician.

Music is not talking about music -- but practicing music!! Only each time you do the small universe scale then the sound is transforming into electromagnetic healing energy. That is the secret of nonwestern tuning.


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O.K. I don't get any money from anyone -- I have a masters degree that I did in sustainability self-directed research so I volunteered my time to stop sweatshop sports clothing from being sold at the University and also to stop the University investing in slave labor in Burma -- so the University divested $1.5 million from Total Oil since I documented they use slave labor in Burma.

So that's the only money I've made -- haha. Volunteer work and I spent ten years working for an environmental nonprofit and then ten years before that working for half a dozen other nonprofits.

So you can buy the 12 note music self-healing c.d. here if people want -- but I am not selling this.

I'm sure there are places you can get this online for free. This website gives the images and more detail on how the small universe exercise works

The book "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" gives the real secret of yin and yang as the 12 notes for alchemical training to the highest level and how to do it. You can download the book for free here
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posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 05:15 PM
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So again my model is that science is based on left-brain and right hand asymmetry that is going against ecology that relies on left-handed asymmetric carbon-based molecules with right-brain dominance asymmetry (shamanism).



Originally posted by Mary Rose
Do you use the terms "left-brain" and "left-handed" interchangeably?



Originally posted by fulllotusqigong
I'll give you the explain of the Berber village I visited as on the fulcrum of left-handed carbon-based ecology and right-brain dominant shamanism versus right-hand dominant (iron-silica-silicon technology) and left-brain dominant (modern monotheistic Freemasonic) culture.


Let me ask the question in a different way.

What is the difference between brainness and handedness - be it left or right, either one.



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 05:57 PM
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When we listen to music it is right brain dominant but language is left brain dominant. Technology co-evolved with human language so technology is right-handed dominant.

Most people are right-handed and left-brain dominant.

Left-handers are more right-brain dominant and this is why the "left-hand path" is considered Satanic.

Sin was the lunar goddess of Sumeria -- so original Sin means actually the females are more right-brain dominant.

The Lyre is a crucial instrument on the fulcrum of right-brain dominant culture.


History of poetry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_poetry ... form to aid memorization and oral transmission, in prehistoric and ancient societies. .... These are called lyrics, which derives from the Greek lura or lyre,


So when we use music it is right-brain dominant which then enables memorization of words.

Conversely music stores the words as subconscious electrochemical emotions and then later if we have a subconscious association we will remember the melody and then from the melody we can remember the words and the words of the song then reveal the secret subconscious emotional meaning that we are experiencing.

This is called the Haunting Melody -- the title of Theodore Reik's book.

So traditionally sound is the transmission of female electrochemical energy -- so in the Bushmen culture for 90% of human history -- the females sing all night and then their high harmonics transmit the electrochemical energy called N/om to the males.

Music is documented to activate the dopamine and serotonin through the vagus nerve and this is through the right brain vagus nerve connection to the lower body serotonin.

Similarly if a person had depression then they can get a microchip to activate their vagus nerve which then increases the serotonin into the brain.

Anthropologist Rodney Needham has a whole book on this transition from right-brain dominant shamanic cultures and how the left-hand became evil when left-brain dominance took over.

The Left Hand Path

Then Dr. Schlain documents in his book the Alphabet and the Goddess this transformation to phonetic writing as left brain right hand dominant versus the previous right-brain dominant female oriented culture



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 06:09 PM
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I take it handedness as you're using the term is literal - most people are right-handed.


Originally posted by fulllotusqigong
Technology co-evolved with human language so technology is right-handed dominant.


I don't follow you here.

I accept that language is left brain dominant. But what is your rationale for saying technology is right-handed dominant?




posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 06:24 PM
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I take it handedness as you're using the term is literal - most people are right-handed.


Originally posted by fulllotusqigong
Technology co-evolved with human language so technology is right-handed dominant.


I don't follow you here.

I accept that language is left brain dominant. But what is your rationale for saying technology is right-handed dominant?





maybe it's because the left side of your brain controls the right side of your body and the right side controls the left side of your body? thus being "right handed" is an analogy to using your left brain?



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 07:02 PM
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So, there's a correlation between handedness and being technically inclined as opposed to musically inclined? Are most musicians left-handed?



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 07:24 PM
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Originally posted by Mary Rose
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So, there's a correlation between handedness and being technically inclined as opposed to musically inclined? Are most musicians left-handed?


no, i'm not saying there is a correlation like that...I was just thinking of what was meant by the original phrase.



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 08:19 PM
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I take it handedness as you're using the term is literal - most people are right-handed.


Originally posted by fulllotusqigong
Technology co-evolved with human language so technology is right-handed dominant.


I don't follow you here.

I accept that language is left brain dominant. But what is your rationale for saying technology is right-handed dominant?





O.K. on the right-handed technology that refers to "racemization" of molecules.

So ecology -- carbon-based life is left-handed molecules.

Modern people are right hand dominant and so the technology is right-handed against the left-handed molecules which are right-brain dominant.

So animals are right-brain dominant. Language -- phonetic language -- cuts off the modern brain from direct physiological awareness of the lower body electrochemical emotions -- the autonomic nervous system.

So technically science is rational and symmetrical -- but in reality it is not symmetrical but is against left-handed ecology and for right-handed technology -- science is left-brain dominant and against right-brain dominant shamanic cultures.

Science claims it's rational because it relies on symmetric math but the math is not pure -- it's inherently tied to materialist claims to "contain" infinity through geometry.

There is a big push for silica and silicon-based artificial life and some scientists now argue that life actually formed from right-handed silica:


So, while the chances for silicon-based life may be slim, silicon may have played a role in emergence of life on Earth. One of the unsolved mysteries in the origin of life is why life came to employ one chiral version of a molecule (left vs. right) in its reactions and not the other. Some chemists believe that the chiral selection process in the pre-biotic “soup” might have been aided by a “handed” silica (SO2) surface. Both left- and right-handed molecules could have interacted with the chiral surface, and were aligned according to handedness. In this manner chiral molecules were separated and sorted in preparation for pre-biological selection. So even if silicon is an unlikely participant in the biological reactions of life, it could have certainly lent a helping hand to the origin of life.


In other words it's a way to change the past in order to justify the future of technology transforming Earth into silica desert.


The simple self-assembly properties of silicateins which are able to form silica and other metal oxides in aqueous solution allow the development of novel products in nano(bio)technology, medicine, and dentistry.


Even though the "Vital Clay" right-handed silica origin of life model is no longer accepted it is still promoted by nanotech



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 09:07 PM
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So, there's a correlation between handedness and being technically inclined as opposed to musically inclined? Are most musicians left-handed?


Professional musicians are more left-brain dominant towards music due to the left-brain dominant education they receive about music.

Music listening though is right brain dominant but thinking about music theory is left-brain dominant.


In the BBC documentary Brain Story Dr. Michael Gazzaniga demonstrates a split brain patient who shows how the left brain can see words as written language while the right brain can not see written words. But the right brain can silently draw the meaning of the words it saw as a pictorial image (instead of the written language) – despite the right brain not being able to vocalize the words. Then the left brain has to figure out the meaning of the drawing to know what the word was so it can be vocalized. Only sometimes the right brain draws a composite of two different words – that had been seen by both the left and right brains. Each hemisphere on its own can integrate information while the left hemisphere uses words and the right hemisphere just listens and sees. The left hemisphere of the brain will lie – make up stories as false memories – about the right hemisphere of the brain when the right hemisphere perceives something that the left hemisphere can not.167


167 Michael S. Gazzaniga, “The Split Brain Revisited: Groundbreaking work that began more than a quarter of a
century ago has led to ongoing insights about brain organization and consciousness” Scientific American, 2002.


Dr. Persinger has done experiments documenting that telepathy is based on increased 7 hertz brain waves in the right brain hemisphere and that this telepathy is increased when the geomagnetic field of Earth is less active. Dr. Persinger also cites the research with CIA remote viewer Ingo Swann and also Persinger's own research with psychic Sean Harribance.356 Persinger states it has been proven that the human eye does emit photons.


356 Dr. Michael A. Persinger, “The Harribance Effect as Pervasive Outer-Body-Experiences, NeuroQuantal
Evidence with More Precise Measurements,” NeuroQuantology, December 2010, pp. 444-465.

A neuroscientist loses her left brain


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Dr. Philip S. Callahan made this “ELF ionization to create light” discovery: Lighting up the atmosphere with sound is a phenomenon I have been easily able to accomplish since 1969.... A snapped rubber band gives off an ELF radio wave in the 100- to 200-Hz region.... By stimulating a mixture of ethanol and ammonia, or sex scents, with an ELF wave, I can create photon harmonics throughout the infrared, and even visible, regions of the spectrum. The electric sound field vibrates the molecules.... Those harmonic waves travel up and down the photon electromagnetic spectrum the same way harmonics do from a plucked banjo string. In one direction, the harmonics move to higher frequencies along the infrared region and even move into the visible region.374


374 Philip S. Callahan, Paramagnetism: Rediscovering nature's secret force of growth (Metairie, LA:
Acres, USA, 1995) and Philip S. Callahan, Insect Molecular Bio-Electronics (College Park, MD:
Entomological Society of America, 1967).
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posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 10:31 PM
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Yes that is all true but what I'm saying is that the basic octave Perfect Fourth and Perfect Fifth are the same as the Tai-Chi symbol of Taoism.



So the Perfect Fifth is 3:2 as C to G and the Perfect Fourth is G to C as 3:4 but this is noncommutative mathematics!



A person who knows music theory knows that A to C is a minor third and C to A is a major sixth. So their relation is one of complementary opposites -- and is therefore noncommutative.



O.K. so if you want the real deal -- the Taoist yin and yang are literally 3:4 and 2:3 -- but Chinese is not a phonetic language so does not rely on the symmetric commutative logic -- so that's the true Pythagorean philosophy of complementary opposites. The true secret of the Tetrad is that C to G is 2:3 and G to C is 3:4. Sounds like a little difference if only you don't understand the fundamental difference -- Pythagorean tuning is not symmetric logarithmic tuning.



Right it's a small difference but it's a fundamental difference -- noncommutative math versus commutative math.



I'm talking about noncommutative math -- as the secret conspiracy to real natural resonance.



This is also called the Harmony of Heaven and Earth whereas the Freemasonic logarithmic mathematics is called the Separation of Heaven and Earth through mass ritual sacrifice.

Can you see how difficult it could be for someone who doesn't know what you're thinking to reconcile these statements?



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 10:43 PM
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Yes that is all true but what I'm saying is that the basic octave Perfect Fourth and Perfect Fifth are the same as the Tai-Chi symbol of Taoism.


Just take an octave and divide it into thirds. Then the first node is F at one third/two-thirds and the second node is G at two-thirds/one-third. So the Perfect Fifth as two-thirds are complementary opposites at the Tai-Chi symbol. Or another way to consider it is the same C note with 2/3x as F to C and 3/2x as C to G.




This is also called the Harmony of Heaven and Earth whereas the Freemasonic logarithmic mathematics is called the Separation of Heaven and Earth through mass ritual sacrifice.


On the Harmony of Heaven and Earth versus the Separation of Heaven and Earth -- as I explained the ratios of Separation of Heaven and Earth rely on "divide and average" math with the square root of two going back to 3,000 BCE.

But this is ritual priest harmonics for body transformation -- the ritual priests rely on left-brain dominant meditation with the left vagus nerve going to the right side of the heart and the attempt is to "contain" the spirit in the body as "contained" infinity -- so much that the brain is literally killed by using meditation to bypass the heart, making the heart stop for over ten minutes.

After this is achieved then the person has achieved "nirvana" of Theraveda Buddhism -- called emptying out the 7th level of consciousness is Mahayana Buddhism -- but it's really the vagus nerve death of the heart but since it's through left-brain meditation resonance then the death can be transcended.

But the body is not transformed in this process -- so this is the ritual priest meditation and it's hierarchical -- so the Brahmin priest caste then lets their body decay while they have servants take care of it and the warrior caste protects them. The Brahmins also require complete separation from females to do this left brain "mind yoga" practice -- if there is even eye contact with a female then there has to be a three day ritual cleansing.

So this developed around 1800 BCE in India when iron became more valuable than silver as silver was the lunar sacrifice currency for the female goddess energy.

Also around this time circular housing for female energy was not allowed -- only square housing and at the same time the ritual sacrifice altars had to be square so any circular altars had to be converted to a square of the same size and this was the origin of "squaring the circle" in Freemasonry -- and the ancient origin of the attempt to have the square root of two -- with the practical means of finding the center for chariot wheels.

O.K. so the separation of Heaven means the separation of the pineal gland from the lower body which is Earth -- this is also the secret of the Garden of Eden Myth with the snake being the kundalini energy and the Apple being the life force energy and God is the Heart as the center of the body/mind connection. So the Ritual Priest promotes left-brain dominance as book learning -- for the elite and to keep the masses controlled using secret geometry technology.

The harmony of Heaven and Earth means embracing the snake kundalini energy so that the lower body life force energy joins with the brain Heaven energy to open the pineal gland and then to open the heart. This is done through the complementary opposite harmonics as the "small universe" practice or "microcosmic orbit" practice.

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