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Originally posted by ThoughtForms
Hi mary, I know u from previous incarnations, yup apparently fulllotusqigong is drew . . .
Originally posted by FutureOopart
reply to post by LightsideAssassin
Glad you found it! Now, I wish I had signed up alot sooner so I could've been jumping in some great discussions on ATS. Ah, well... better late than never!
Here's a link to a video you guys might find interesting:
The Shape of Sound
Sound is causing the salt to move into shapes resembling different mandalas at different frequencies. I might try this experiment with two tones set at different intervals at various octaves. I'd be curious to see what shape the tritone makes at different octaves. Hmm....
Originally posted by Mary Rose
reply to post by fulllotusqigong
What system should planet earth use to tune instruments?
Originally posted by ThoughtForms
reply to post by Mary Rose
Hi mary, I know u from previous incarnations, yup apparently fulllotusqigong is drew, whose contributions to my research some years ago sort of made me trash the whole thing because I couldn't get my head around what he was saying and assumed that I could not continue until I did.
I'm reserving judgement at the moment but it seems he may not know all that he says or is perhaps deluded (sorry drew but at the same time whatever) I hope we will get some answers out of this exchange/debate because that's all i'm interested in to be frank.
Peace Mary, Hope your well
-TF
P.S) I'm usually a nicer person in general but I'm quitting ciggarettes... not myself lately...edit on 13-2-2012 by ThoughtForms because: (no reason given)
So the Perfect Fifth is 3:2 as C to G and the Perfect Fourth is G to C as 3:4 but this is noncommutative mathematics! For Western symmetric logic C to G is 2:3 and G to C is 3:2. So the secret of the Devil's Chord -- the Tritone -- is that 3:2 as the Perfect Fifth is squared using Freemasonic geometry -- to 9:4 halved to 9:8 then cubed to the square root of 2
Originally posted by UncleV
When it's contended that the Pythagoreans recognized the harmonic mean (2AB)/A + B, the geometric mean (a square root) and the arithmetic mean (A + B)/2 there must be the correction that in fact these means were the innovation of Archytas to create the Greek Miracle. “Similarly, in Fragment 2, Archytas is clearly taking over the three means from his predecessors, although he renames one of them and adds his own additional characterization of each mean.”228 Or as Professor Luigi Borzacchini describes it in the Greek ratios: “the arithmetic mean, a-b=b-c, the geometric a:b=b:c, and the harmonic or subcontrary a-b:a = b-c:c.”229 12:6 as the octave with 9 as the arithmetic mean or 12:9:6, giving the perfect fourth music interval or 12:9 as 4:3 and the perfect fifth music interval as 9:6 or 3:2. 12:6 as the octave with 8 as the harmonic mean reverses the order -- 12:8 is 3:2 or the perfect fifth and 8:6 is 4:3, the perfect fourth. “It is not possible to find a geometric mean in the octave (e.g. there is no x such that 12:x::x:6). This was undoubtedly known to Archytas’ predecessors but Archytas, in accordance with his rigorous mathematical outlook, made an important new contribution here by proving it is impossible to put a geometric mean into any ratio of the form n + 1/n. (A19).”230
not only did the octave have to be doubled as the square but also the ratios of the intervals had to be reversed relying on the commutative property of geometric symmetry.
Barbera does note that Archytas used the Babylonian tetrachord, an extension of the tetrad, 6:8::9:12 whereby 8 is the harmonic mean and 9 is the arithmetic mean between 6 and 12 with the above changed meanings as discussed.236 So 1, 4/3, 3/2, 2 were converted to 6:8:9:12. So 8 x 9 = 72 (harmonic mean x arithmetic mean = geometric mean squared) and the square root of 72 in simplified radical form is 6 times the square root of 2 – or the equal-tempered logarithmic tritone music interval, the 6th semitone of the 12 note scale aka the Devil’s Interval. In other words 9/8, the major 2nd music interval, cubed, is the square root of two as the most dissonant music interval of the Western logarithmic scale.
Originally posted by DenyObfuscation
Should A to C interval = C to A interval?
Originally posted by fulllotusqigong
If the wavelength is 1 and the octave frequency is 2 with wavelength 1/2 then what is the start of the wavelength? Zero does not exist if sound is infinite. Negative infinity was created by Plato and Aristotle was against negative infinity -- the first example being the square root of two as the Devil's Interval the tritone. So zero is then the quadratic solution for harmonic mean times arithmetic mean equals geometric mean squared.
Dr. Andrija Puharich was a CIA mind control scientist who was funded by the military and has many patents for operable mind control inventions. His book Beyond Telepathy is about his studies of psychics which provides the foundation for the remote viewing CIA program -- psychic spies.
I gave the link for the de Broglie quote -- but "willful ignorance" is a silly tactic -- all anyone has to do is google the quote -- the references are given at the bottom of the page. Of course you can always insist that de Broglie didn't say this.
'The statistical theories hide a completely determined and ascertainable reality behind variables which elude our experimental techniques.'
haha.
Conspiracy means "spiral unity" – so these opposite extremes meet through nondualism as consciousness itself -- as the formless resonance of complementary opposites creating spacetime and energy-matter.
Originally posted by Astyanax
reply to post by DenyObfuscation
Originally posted by DenyObfuscation
Should A to C interval = C to A interval?
Well asked.
A minor third in just intonation corresponds to a pitch ratio of 6:5 (About this sound play (help·info)) or 315.64 cents. In an equal tempered tuning, a minor third is equal to three semitones, a ratio of 21/4:1 (about 1.189), or 300 cents, 15.64 cents narrower than the 6:5 ratio.
A major sixth in just intonation most often corresponds to a pitch ratio of 5:3 (About this sound play (help·info)), or 884 cents, while in 12-tone equal temperament, a major sixth is equal to nine semitones, or 900 cents, 15.641 cents higher than the just major sixth
For many people, this is the hardest aspect of tuning theory: getting used to the idea that 5/12 = 5/6 = 5/3 = 10/3 = 20/3
Originally posted by Astyanax
reply to post by fulllotusqigong
Conspiracy means "spiral unity" – so these opposite extremes meet through nondualism as consciousness itself -- as the formless resonance of complementary opposites creating spacetime and energy-matter.
Do you just make this stuff up as you go along?
'Conspiracy' comes from the Latin conspiratio, which means 'union'. Its roots are the Latin words for 'together' and 'breath'. Conspirators literally 'breathe together' – breathe the same air – hence the term.
You are committing the schoolboy howler of confusing spiro (Latin for 'breath') with spiro (Latin for 'coiled' or 'twisted'). See here.
Your knowledge of etymology appears to be on a par with your knowledge of physics, maths and music.
The Greek root of conspiracy is spiro meaning spiral and with the prefix “con,” the word conspiracy is the structure of “spiral unity.” This spiral unity through a secret breathing together is the consciousness conspiracy, what philosopher F.W. Schelling called the conspiracy of life.118
F.W. Schelling, with his “conspiracy of life,” was the contemporary colleague of Hegel and he was the main critic of Hegelian dialectics120 which Schelling considered to be a continuation of Platonic materialism. Hegelian dialectics creates spiritual evolution of matter based on a technofetish, a process driven, ironically, by dualistic opposites of extreme idealism and extreme materialism. The end paradoxical result is a materialist idealism philosophy that is the opposite of true mysticism as realism. Here’s how Schelling described this Hegelian paradox of absolute idealism as materialism: Neither science nor sentiment will be satisfied with a God who is not, because He is Being itself (er ist das Seyn selbst), who is not living, because He is Life itself, who is not conscious because He is pure consciousness. They [materialists and idealists] both demand a God who is there in a manner different from his essence (Wesen), who is not just knowledge according to his essence but who expressly and particularly knows, and whose operation is not contained in his essence but rather in the deed, that is, in a manner different from his essence.121
The term conspiracy comes from the Latin word conspirare used to describe the medieval ritual of secretly breathing together to bond the community to the land, as detailed by Ivan Illich: Conspiratio, the mouth-to-mouth kiss, became the solemn liturgical gesture by which participants in the cult-action shared their breath or spirit with one another….Explicitly, corporeally, the central Christian celebration was understood as a co-breathing, a con-spiracy, the bringing about of a common atmosphere, a divine milieu….documents reveal that the conspiratio [mouth-to-mouth kiss] created scandal early on.117
117 Ivan Illich, “The Cultivation of Conspiracy,” address given at occasion of receiving the Culture and Peace Prize of Bremen Germany, March 14, 1998. This mouth-to-mouth kiss was rejected by the Church fathers during the 3rd century – except being transformed into secret church sex slavery satanism as exposed by Father Martin Malachi and in recent days with the church sex abuse scandals.
The issue again is incommensurability which means the comparison of number to geometric symbol. The question asked does not refer to number just geometric symbol.
A person who knows music theory knows that A to C is a minor third and C to A is a major sixth.
A to C and C to A are not both the same music interval.
That is the secret of complementary opposites. This is lost when converted to the logarithmic mathematics.
Is (conspiracy) Latin or Greek -- you'll have to ask the philosopher F.W. Schelling. Dig a little deeper. haha.
The Greek root of conspiracy is spiro meaning spiral and with the prefix “con,” the word conspiracy is the structure of “spiral unity.” This spiral unity through a secret breathing together is the consciousness conspiracy, what philosopher F.W. Schelling called the conspiracy of life.118
Jason M. Wirth, The conspiracy of life: meditations on Schelling and his time (SUNY Press, 2003).
Originally posted by Astyanax
There is no 'incommensurability'. Two notes an octave apart are not the same note. They have not the same value in terms of wavelength, frequency or aural pitch (measured in 'cents'). To expect A:C to be the same as C:A in any system of tuning or notation is absurd. It is like expecting 1:3 to be equal to 3:10.
A person who knows music theory knows that A to C is a minor third and C to A is a major sixth.
These are just conventionally agreed terms. They bear no relation to the numerical values of either the frequency or wavelength of the notes involved. We don't count in music the way we count in mathematics. There is no zero in music.
Originally posted by ThoughtForms
reply to post by Mary Rose
whoa! u have an eye for detail curious indeed... drew is an asian woman?
-TF