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Originally posted by PotKettle
Originally posted by dadgad
There is a revolution growing in the US. You can see it. The people are extremely upset and fed up and the treatment they are getting is creating more blow-back as we speak.
I love Occupy. Everyday more and more. I love the anarchy symbols they use. The fight they are putting up, giving the finger to the system. That is how it should be, that is what your founding fathers would have wanted to see. For once I feel real pride for America.
You on the other hand, with your whiny remarks about financial burdens (really!?) and the mobs are just plain naive in my opinion. The people of America have tried, peacefully and gently and got kicked in the nuts for it. How much more crap need they take. I mean, stand with your people I'd say. Because the system has already abandoned you.
These people there, these protesters. Look at them. All young, our age (i assume). Students most of them, graduates and other regular citizens. They are in essence 'the people''. Are you going to tell me they have no legitimacy? That they should go home? That they are a bunch no-goodies? Is that how you choose to view upon the essential people, with that kind of disdain? Then I ask you, are you part of the rich ruling elite? I assume that are not. I assume that you are as much a victim of the situation as they are.
So...
Where are you going to stand is the question. Will you give in to the fear and defend these crumbing remains of your system? Or will you let your lion out and defend what you damned well know what is yours..edit on 31-1-2012 by dadgad because: (no reason given)
It's nice to see at least some of the of OWS contingent admit that they are anarchists at heart. It's certainly noble of you to speak on behalf of 'the people,' if when you say 'the people' you are referring to narcissistic puerile juveniles and their aging-hippie coddlers looking to relive their glory years of the sixties and seventies. Unfortunately, you are but a small minority of the American people, most of which are expressing annoyance towards your 'peaceful' Marxist tactics. Certainly, in any society there will be a small percentage of disgruntled populace. OWS typifies this subclass of malcontents, the losers if you will.
It is rather telling that you say that you feel proud of America due in part to the anarchy symbols you see being used by the OWS movement. You then go on to project your anarchist beliefs on to the founding fathers even proudly proclaiming that that is "what your founding fathers would have wanted to see." I doubt that you have studied enough history as to be able to guess what the founding fathers had in mind when they created the Constitution. I'll give you hint though, personal freedom and liberty, both of which you OWSers are infringing on with your little shanty towns of filth and feces.
I have just one little request. If you OWSers are going to continue to be unproductive members of society could you at least pick up after yourselves and stop blocking traffic? Doesn't holding hands and singing Kumbaya get boring after a while? Maybe look into X-Box? All the cool kids are doing it. I swear.
edit on 31-1-2012 by PotKettle because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by DystopiaphiliacHowever to make a factual conclusion about the goals of OWS you would have to know the personal story and reasons for EACH and EVERY SINGLE person there. So until you do that everybody needs to stop calling them all jobless hippies and what-not, making all these blatant generalizations.
Originally posted by PotKettle
It's nice to see at least some of the of OWS contingent admit that they are anarchists at heart.
It's certainly noble of you to speak on behalf of 'the people,' if when you say 'the people' you are referring to narcissistic puerile juveniles and their aging-hippie coddlers looking to relive their glory years of the sixties and seventies.
Unfortunately, you are but a small minority of the American people, most of which are expressing annoyance towards your 'peaceful' Marxist tactics. Certainly, in any society there will be a small percentage of disgruntled populace. OWS typifies this subclass of malcontents, the losers if you will.
It is rather telling that you say that you feel proud of America due in part to the anarchy symbols you see being used by the OWS movement. You then go on to project your anarchist beliefs on to the founding fathers even proudly proclaiming that that is "what your founding fathers would have wanted to see."
I doubt that you have studied enough history as to be able to guess what the founding fathers had in mind when they created the Constitution. I'll give you hint though, personal freedom and liberty, both of which you OWSers are infringing on with your little shanty towns of filth and feces.
Originally posted by petrus4
You're demonstrating large amounts of mainstream naivete and groupthink, here. Go and look up how many times city officials have been caught, engaging in outright lies about both OWS' activities, and the nature of their camps. Virtually every claim as to poor hygiene in particular has been a complete lie, and has been used purely as a rationale for denying OWS their Constitutional right, since you brought it up, to freedom of assembly.
I probably shouldn't have bothered going into this much depth with you, since your overall tone suggests that you weren't intending to do anything other than troll and attempt to offend people; but sometimes I like to at least hope that such people can be reached.
Originally posted by PotKettle
Originally posted by DystopiaphiliacHowever to make a factual conclusion about the goals of OWS you would have to know the personal story and reasons for EACH and EVERY SINGLE person there. So until you do that everybody needs to stop calling them all jobless hippies and what-not, making all these blatant generalizations.
Let me get this straight. You want me to stop making a generalization, which you even concede is correct, because I don't know the specific motivation behind every single member of the population? Generalizations are made because they are true for the most of the population. Yes, there may be members of this population who do not possess the same characteristics of the general population we are referring to and these members are called exceptions. The presence of exceptions does not diminish the validity of the original generalization. No offense, but your logic and reasoning skills exemplify those of a failed philosophy student. Maybe you should ask for your money back.
Originally posted by PotKettle
Admittedly, I am quite humbled that someone with your obviously immense intellect, is compassionate enough to allot time out of his/her otherwise busy schedule to educate those otherwise stupid dumb kunsurvatives about how they are too dumb to know how dumb they are. That's probably why you are a better person than I am, although probably not better when it comes to material possessions.
Originally posted by Dystopiaphiliac
When somebody says, OWS is socialist, or communist, or full of jobless hippies, they are making a generalization about a massive organization of individuals.
Originally posted by petrus4
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Thank you for proving my point. My work here is done.
Originally posted by petrus4
Originally posted by Dystopiaphiliac
When somebody says, OWS is socialist, or communist, or full of jobless hippies, they are making a generalization about a massive organization of individuals.
It's called Otherisation, or a violation of the Golden Rule. As in, as long as it is somebody else who has lost their job, their home, or both as a result of the bailouts, then said people are obviously just filthy, indolent hippies who could very easily find work, but who choose not to. If it hasn't happened to me, I'm fine, and that's all I care about.
Maybe it's vindictive of me, but I find myself looking forward to when people like PotKettle end up getting hit by the economic poison ball themselves. Hopefully they might learn something; but then again, he's already expressed that education isn't something he's terribly interested in.
Having to sleep in a tent city themselves, however, might provide other people with similar opinions, with a change of perspective.edit on 31-1-2012 by petrus4 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by PotKettle
reply to post by dadgad
First off let me applaud you on your English skills which are probably better than those of most of the US populace. I am in my early thirties and you appear to be in your early twenties, so I concede that we may look at things from different perspectives. I just do not think that you have thoroughly thought through your reverence of anarchy.
Anarchy is the absence of government or simply put, lawlessness, which distilled down to it's most basic form can be described as an environment where the individual is left to fend for himself. This might be good if you are a survivalist but unfortunately, most of the Western population, I'll include myself in here, does not know how to hunt, how to grow food, and how to build a shelter, etc. Hence, we decide to give up a little bit of our liberty and freedom to a government which will help us with the things we would not be able to do individually; One which for the most part promotes and protects a free market system. Yes, the US government is not perfect but I would certainly prefer what we have now over a system of anarchy. So I hope you will forgive me if I seem a bit contemptuous of the OWSers, most whom would not be able to survive for a week without this government they so favor disbanding.edit on 31-1-2012 by PotKettle because: (no reason given)