Originally posted by PotKettle
Originally posted by dadgad
There is a revolution growing in the US. You can see it. The people are extremely upset and fed up and the treatment they are getting is creating more blow-back as we speak.
I love Occupy. Everyday more and more. I love the anarchy symbols they use. The fight they are putting up, giving the finger to the system. That is how it should be, that is what your founding fathers would have wanted to see. For once I feel real pride for America.
You on the other hand, with your whiny remarks about financial burdens (really!?) and the mobs are just plain naive in my opinion. The people of America have tried, peacefully and gently and got kicked in the nuts for it. How much more crap need they take. I mean, stand with your people I'd say. Because the system has already abandoned you.
These people there, these protesters. Look at them. All young, our age (i assume). Students most of them, graduates and other regular citizens. They are in essence 'the people''. Are you going to tell me they have no legitimacy? That they should go home? That they are a bunch no-goodies? Is that how you choose to view upon the essential people, with that kind of disdain? Then I ask you, are you part of the rich ruling elite? I assume that are not. I assume that you are as much a victim of the situation as they are.
Where are you going to stand is the question. Will you give in to the fear and defend these crumbing remains of your system? Or will you let your lion out and defend what you damned well know what is yours..edit on 31-1-2012 by dadgad because: (no reason given)
It's nice to see at least some of the of OWS contingent admit that they are anarchists at heart. It's certainly noble of you to speak on behalf of 'the people,' if when you say 'the people' you are referring to narcissistic puerile juveniles and their aging-hippie coddlers looking to relive their glory years of the sixties and seventies. Unfortunately, you are but a small minority of the American people, most of which are expressing annoyance towards your 'peaceful' Marxist tactics. Certainly, in any society there will be a small percentage of disgruntled populace. OWS typifies this subclass of malcontents, the losers if you will.
It is rather telling that you say that you feel proud of America due in part to the anarchy symbols you see being used by the OWS movement. You then go on to project your anarchist beliefs on to the founding fathers even proudly proclaiming that that is "what your founding fathers would have wanted to see." I doubt that you have studied enough history as to be able to guess what the founding fathers had in mind when they created the Constitution. I'll give you hint though, personal freedom and liberty, both of which you OWSers are infringing on with your little shanty towns of filth and feces.
I have just one little request. If you OWSers are going to continue to be unproductive members of society could you at least pick up after yourselves and stop blocking traffic? Doesn't holding hands and singing Kumbaya get boring after a while? Maybe look into X-Box? All the cool kids are doing it. I swear.
edit on 31-1-2012 by PotKettle because: (no reason given)
First of all. I am not American. I am Dutch. But studying American politics and culture is a great hobby of mine.
When I say that this anarchist behavior is what your founding fathers would wanted to see you should understand the context I am trying to speak in. At first, I think we could both agree that your founding fathers would be disgusted to see the state the US is in now.
They actually were people who embraced the notion of civil disobedience. And this is exactly what needs to happen in my opinion. Massive civil disobedience. The people standing up and just saying enough is enough.
And you should look at the Occupy movement in chronological order to understand their current behavior. This did not come out of nowhere. It began very peaceful without any violence. It has been the system that decided to kick them in the nuts basically. Look at the treatment they received. Tear gas, rubber bullets, beatings, flashbangs, tasers and mass arrests. What kind of response do you expect to see? So they are now taking it to the next level. They come prepared, they take shields to protect themselves against the gas canisters. I applaud that. I deeply deeply respect this type of civil disobedience. It is one of the things that makes the Western world unique.
The Greek people, also heroes in my opinion began taking it to the next level to after a while. It's what happens when the state decides to treat you as dirt.
For the rest, it's true I love anarchist idea's. What is wrong with that? It's a beautiful ideology.
And to be honest I respect these people so much more then the average ATS'er that comes here to complain about the New World Order,9/11, vaccination plans, The Illuminati and all that, yet view these activists with such an arrogant disdain.
These people are not hiding behind their laptops and computers, they actually go out in the field and meet the enemy. They are getting the heat.
Noam Chomsky made a very sharp and valid observation. Namely that the 9/11 Truthers who were protesting and calling for new investigations at the same time never really uttered a word about the Iraqi invasion. It shows something.
edit on 31-1-2012 by dadgad because: (no reason given)