It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
I think you misunderstood inside the ERB's to mean in the belts themselves vs my meaning of inside ( towards earth ).
Great, you sent me a paper. So are you using this as your foundation of belief? One paper Vs a lot of eveidence (I don't have to supply this, it's available on the net). Sure, my microwave steel/aliminium combo shields me from being cooked in the kitchen and I get the physics, but it's a whole lot different than the space race.
I have my beliefs and you have yours and just like VAB's, they don't mix. Cheers.
Originally posted by buddhasystem
reply to post by nineix
Have you seen a Soyuz capsule? I have. It's a called a "capsule" for a reason. It's a space equivalent of the Smart car. Try driving it for 3 days in a row without ever exiting the vehicle. And you can't land Soyuz on the moon anyhow, so I don't see your point. Also, the rocket itself, sufficient to deliver the payload to the Moon, and enough fuel and hardware to get back, is not a trivial item.
What happened in the Apollo program was an unprecedented (and still not superseded) concentration of effort, by the most industrialized and rich nation on the planet.
George lucas hadn't even invented the necessary tech.. I.e blue screen technology .....
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
When I toured the NASA facility the tour guide made a point that we don't have the capability to go to the moon anymore.
Originally posted by DJW001
Allow me to begin. The logistics of sending human beings to the Moon is straightforward. All that is required is an off the shelf spacecraft; a Soyuz would do nicely. This must be given a high enough impulse to achieve an elliptical orbit with a perigee of, say, 300 kilometers and an apogee of 400,000 kilometers. This can be provided by any number of extant upper stages. The passage through the Electromagnetic Radiation Belts can be minimized by inclining the the flight path to an angle of 30 degrees relative to the Earth's equator and passing through them as quickly as possible. Once outside the ERBs, the ambient radiation will be greater than in low Earth orbit, but studies show that the cumulative effects are negligible during the course of a few weeks. Our current solar observatory infrastructure guarantees that the astronauts would have ample warning to re-orient their craft in the event of a dangerous solar event. Although there are obviously risks involved, such a mission could easily be undertaken with existing technology. All that is required is money.
Now... does anyone care to disagree?
Originally posted by reddwhite
No, I think you not only misunderstand my statement but the physics involved.
Cherenkov radiation is a form of high energy charged particle radiation
and it is hypothysized by the top nasa scientists on the matter that they not only interact with nerves
( nerves = electrical cables
fact high energy charged particles do interfere with any and all electrical signals
There is a huge difference between radiation experienced at any level of our atmosphere vs hard vacuum.
It is not only a gross mistatment on your part but out right ignorance to compare leaving the earths magnetic field with high altitude flight.
They aren't even comparable levels of radiation intensity. A solar flare aimed right at earth can and does knock out entire regional electric grids
Originally posted by stagglyone
I've got four words for you guys. Van Allen radiation belts. Nuff said.
Once eliminating Apollo from history, we are faced with the fact that nobody has even come close
to trying to land even a monkey on the moon. So then historically, it seems pretty impossible.
Originally posted by FoosM
Now, you kind of only focused on the first part of the problem, getting men there. You didnt explain how they would land, what they would land on, how they would be able to take off from the moon and get back to Earth, re-enter its atmosphere and land safely.
Lunar Electric Fields: The surface of the Moon charges in response to currents incident on its surface, and is exposed to a variety of different charging environments during its orbit around the Earth, with charging currents spanning several orders of magnitude. On the sunlit hemisphere, photoelectron emission usually dominates, ensuring a small positive surface potential. On the night side, however, plasma currents dominate, and the lunar surface charges to a negative potential on the order of the electron temperature (typically ~50-100 V in the solar wind wake and magnetospheric tail lobes) PDF