2nd Carrier Arrives Off Straits Of Hormuz

reply to post by Doom and Gloom


Everyone is so focused on what's floating on the surface. Do you not think that there are probably a few Ohio and Los Angeles class subs attached to those carriers?

The quick strikes come from below.

Originally posted by digipulse
When are you Americans going to wake up. You lost the war in Vietnam, Somalia, Iraq, losing in Afghanistan & all the while at home your people are living in tent cities. You have turned your back on your constitution & bending over & taking it royally with regards to your rights & living standards. But now you want war with Iran?
Do you think you or your family will benefit? In the end you'll lose as you always do - as all empires do (though you never really had one). You glass Iran - wooo hooo USA USA & all the bull crap. Oil goes $300/barrel. Your cities then get suitcase nuked, Patriot Act 3 comes in - depression for 50+ years. Who wins? You? Nah - not even close.

Huh....that's really all I can say to this. Glad to hear your view point I guess. I gotta go clean out my tent now and then ream myself with a copy of the constitution. After that, I have to go work for my company that supports the military industrial complex of the Empire. (queue Darth Vader theme song)

....back to the topic at hand.

Another carrier fleet in the Persian Gulf......

You sound like another jealous hater!!! Stay on topic.

Originally posted by digipulse
When are you Americans going to wake up. You lost the war in Vietnam, Somalia, Iraq, losing in Afghanistan & all the while at home your people are living in tent cities. You have turned your back on your constitution & bending over & taking it royally with regards to your rights & living standards. But now you want war with Iran?
Do you think you or your family will benefit? In the end you'll lose as you always do - as all empires do (though you never really had one). You glass Iran - wooo hooo USA USA & all the bull crap. Oil goes $300/barrel. Your cities then get suitcase nuked, Patriot Act 3 comes in - depression for 50+ years. Who wins? You? Nah - not even close.

Originally posted by PocketRevolution


What happens if it turns into an Afghanistan-Pakistan-Iran-Iraq-Syria-Lebanon borderless hot-zone? (No playing the nuke card on this one kids, our own troops are on the battlefield.)

I hope it does, sincerely ... I hope the Iranians see the light, and understand that their only viable option is to fight.

But unfortunately, they don't have the knowledge or ability, to fight. And the reliance on Russia, and China, is totally flawed. Because neither, has, or ever will, have the guts to do anything. China doesn't care about much, outside it's own territorial borders. It is in a mental state, where everything China is the center of the Universe, the rest don't count.

Unfortunately, unless someone puts an end to the US warmachine, this will end in a tragedy of epic proportions. It doesn't matter, wether it is here or now, Iran, Korea ... or a future incident. The American "zionist" dream, is a recipe for world wide disaster.

I hope that someone, in Europe, will have the guts to give Iran some aid here. Tell them how to prepare, and act to save their future. Because it doesn't look bright, without some assistance.

For the Americans here, the US must be stopped. No matter what it costs ... today they accuse Iran of 9/11. You can't hang two people, for the same crime. This American nazi dream, called "zionism" ... must be put to an end. A good way to start, would be to sink some of those carriers of theirs ...

reply to post by princeofpeace


So pointing out the usual childish American warmongering, racist desert-into-glass crap & blind faith in technology (which has failed you & the allies thus far) is 'jealous'? Facts are facts & if you see my post as anti-American then you get what you deserve (as you did with Barry Soetoro). By the way how's that 'change' working out for you, lol.

reply to post by PocketRevolutionI don't see where Iran has the option of "backing down". They haven't really done anything except stay at home and make speeches, and apparently a good segment of the American population thinks this is a good justification for "turning their country into glass". Iran has two options: do nothing, and get crushed, or fight back, and get crushed. So where is the incentive for peaceful negotiations? Do we really think that even if they abandon their civilian nuclear program, they're not getting invaded? Or will we just invent a different excuse to justify the same agenda? Apparently we're all completely naive too, and we're just going to swallow the WMD story again and again.

Why wouldn't Iran fight back? Why wouldn't they support the Iraq insurgency? They know they're next on the "regime change" hitlist, so of course they're going to do everything possible to drain the strength of their enemy. I don't see the point of all this posturing: "If Iran dares to strike against us in any way, then we'll REALLY let them have it." That's just the attitude of a bully trying to justify his own aggression. We were going to let them have it one way or another, because we want what they have.

So there you have it. If you want a pet psychology of why we hope for America's defeat, it's because we hate bullies. I have nothing against America, but I hate anyone who goes to someone else's country under false pretenses and then tries to claim the moral high ground. Let's call it what it is: military invasion, occupation, and colonialization of the economic and governmental institutions. We're going to bomb their country's infrastructure into dust, massively impoverish the people, and then have the new government take out loans to pay foreign contractors to rebuild and "secure" their nation. It's unlikely any of this will result in better living conditions for the people we claim to be in business to "liberate" but who cares? The only thing we were really interested in was the interest on those loans.


What happens if it turns into an Afghanistan-Pakistan-Iran-Iraq-Syria-Lebanon borderless hot-zone? (No playing the nuke card on this one kids, our own troops are on the battlefield.)



can't disagree with a word here, gotta be the most accurate and nearest the truth of anything i've read today and i've read a fair bit...a lot of opinions from individuals whom seem to view the world thru twisted neocon bigoted glasses, the sad fact is these "patriots" don't even realise they're spouting ideals and propaganda thats been steadily and unremittingly indoctrinated into them, well cheers guys your doing a top rate job for the most corrupt, controlling and war mongering state on this planet today.
Apologies (sort of) for the rant, I'm frustrated... its just a shame to see people so numbed and servile to a malignant power.

reply to post by Freenrgy2


You know that there has to be a few subs attached to those carries. We would not have those carriers out there like that without covering them from below. We are talking about straits here. I am no 4 start general, but common sense on naval defense tactics tells you to cover all bases when the big boys are showing their asses!

*The navy has to know what they are doing out there.

reply to post by snowcrash911


Not on there own they didnt.

Had a little bit of help from a few other countries.

Originally posted by maestromason
reply to post by Freenrgy2

 

You know that there has to be a few subs attached to those carries. We would not have those carriers out there like that without covering them from below. We are talking about straits here. I am no 4 start general, but common sense on naval defense tactics tells you to cover all bases when the big boys are showing their asses!

*The navy has to know what they are doing out there.

edit on 12-1-2012 by maestromason because: *addition

Yes, nothing like a carrier or two as a show of force. My point is that a sub could be hundreds of miles away and rain hell on them. While the carrier may be a target, a few well-placed tomahawk missles could make a huge impact.

reply to post by AnonymousCitizen


Or maybe, JUST MAYBE the Vinson is there to relieve the Stennis so they can come home as scheduled. Guess what... this is SOP and has happened for the last 50 years.

My eyes are getting sore....
There are five carriers now in the region, with one more us carrier on the way i think.....
The aforementioned ones 3 US 1 French 1 Russian carrier (their only one, with a compliment of jets and anti ship missiles....)
This plus an anti sub ship and a frigate are due in Syrian port of Tartus.....may be there now even....
I have heard a fourth carrier is en route as well?
Anyone Confirm this?
thnx .s
Also wish to add that whats to stop the arriving carrier force from includung a suply ship to rearm and refuel the ship due for rotation?
This would be SOP and a good practice drill for the empires forces even, as well as a surprise addition to the attacking forces....(German navy tactic from ww2 served the uboats and raiders from fast supply ships)
Somewhere close is the Island of diego garcia with enough war materials pre positioned for a complete war.....
Plus a runway for the B2 spirits and the turn around capacity for a rearmed homward flight (back to USA....)
As well as who know what else????
US bases and airfields surround Iran.......
Incirlik, Bahgram,diego garcia, Iraq,bahrain, and the stan states of ussr....
There is no doubt that the noose has been steadily tightening around iran for years....
This has to be the resultof decades long planning, no spur of the moment move.....
To me, the war seems inevitable....rolling down on top of the whole world like some juggernaught since Albert pike uttered the 3 wars prophecy.

Originally posted by stirling
My eyes are getting sore....
There are five carriers now in the region, with one more us carrier on the way i think.....
The aforementioned ones 3 US 1 French 1 Russian carrier (their only one, with a compliment of jets and anti ship missiles....)
This plus an anti sub ship and a frigate are due in Syrian port of Tartus.....may be there now even....
I have heard a fourth carrier is en route as well?
Anyone Confirm this?
thnx .s

Source please?

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
reply to post by AnonymousCitizen

 

Or maybe, JUST MAYBE the Vinson is there to relieve the Stennis so they can come home as scheduled. Guess what... this is SOP and has happened for the last 50 years.

That's exactly what is happening, as I have repeatedly stated. Lots of people just won't listen. Geez, I go catch some z's and come back to a thread that has drifted completely off topic. I maintain the following.

1. Three carriers is not the big deal people say it is. The Vinson relieves the Stennis. The Lincoln shows up a couple weeks later, leaving two CVNs in place, which haqppens 75% of the time for the last four years.

2. There certainly is at least one Los Angeles class sub with the Carrier Strike Group. They don't have missiles. They have torpedoes. Remember the Hunt for Red October? When they are with a Carrier they are a DEFENSIVE ship whose purpose is to protect the carrier.

3. It's possible there is a Trident sub around there, but it isn't "attached" to the carrier. Boomers are solitary creatures.

4. Now, the main point here. Last night we were discussing the possibility of a troop build up in Israel. I left off saying that it did not make sense and was like a build up in London to invade Rome. Those two cities are about 1,000 miles apart, just like Tel Aviv and Tehran. It's not like a troop build up in Kuwait to take on Iraq, which is a few feet away.

I've spent a couple of hours looking into this. The idea is widespread in the alternative press and places like ATS. The problem is that no one is capable of identifying just WHICH troops are supposedly there. What brigade? Which Division? Is it the 42nd Rainbow Division? All people will say is words like "big" and "massive" and "unprecedented," without any supporting evidence at all. That's because they don't have any.

So what is happening?

In September the US gave Israel an advanced radar set up. It can detect incoming a lot better than other radar can. In otehr words, it's, once againm a DEFENSIVE tool to protect Israel from attacks. About 120 US people went with the radar to set it up. 120. Not exactky an invasion-sized force.

In addition, the US and Israelis are engaged in what they term "exercises" that have been planned for two years. This is not a large contingent of troops and probably numbers about 1,000. Once again, not exactly an invasion-sized force and not directed at Iran, which is 1,000 miles away.

So it's the same thing as the carrier issue. Every six months we have to go through another round of "Omigod! Three carriers. that's the (wait for it) "magic number" so we KNOW something is going down soon!" when all it is is one carrier relieving another. And now we have this invisible troop build up in Israel that is supposedly a vanguard for an Iranian invasion.

So what we have really is another platform for argument with people saying, "You Americans are arrogant and warmongers, but hey. Thanks for keeping the oil flowing to my country, too and if we ever get into trouble we expect you to bail us just like you've defended Europe for half a century so we could pay attention to other things like creating socialist and unsustainable states."

In six months we will all revisit this topic and go through all of it again just like we did six months ago.

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
reply to post by AnonymousCitizen

 

Or maybe, JUST MAYBE the Vinson is there to relieve the Stennis so they can come home as scheduled. Guess what... this is SOP and has happened for the last 50 years.

Listen mate, I am sick of replies like this! Why is it you people always stand in the way of sensationalism and a good story?

You do realise the "deny ignorance" motto should be taken as completely sarcastic when discussing war, and it is the direct opposite you should be displaying in these warmongering threads!

So please stop with the common sense diatribe that you are displaying! It really is unbecoming, an could even be described as 'in poor taste', you know?

And if we do to Iran what we did to Iraq, What do you think Russia and
China's response will be???...Those countries have armed and outfitted Iran
with conventinal and now Nuclear arms assistance...

I could care less is Iran is nuclear, and I find it un-plausable indeed that
with Iran's earthquakes they are going nuclear for elctricity...

Our relationship thanks to Christianity and it's ties to Israel will spell or doom
someday...The Iranians will never forgive nor forget our CIA " Operation Ajax "
in 1953...

Rod Severson
Seattle, Wa

Originally posted by AmatuerSkyWatcher

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
reply to post by AnonymousCitizen

 

Or maybe, JUST MAYBE the Vinson is there to relieve the Stennis so they can come home as scheduled. Guess what... this is SOP and has happened for the last 50 years.

Listen mate, I am sick of replies like this! Why is it you people always stand in the way of sensationalism and a good story?

You do realise the "deny ignorance" motto should be taken as completely sarcastic when discussing war, and it is the direct opposite you should be displaying in these warmongering threads right?

So please stop with the common sense diatribe that you are displaying! It really is in poor taste, you know?

How humorous and incisive!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!111

Royal Navy sends its mightiest ship to take on the Iranian show of force in the Gulf

What else do you need? Is that clear enough for you yet? Whatever regular rotation might be scheduled, there just so happens to be a standoff going on in the Straight of Hormuz. That is what is under discussion here, so if you want to be a joker, there's probably a thread for that here...

Originally posted by snowcrash911

Originally posted by AmatuerSkyWatcher

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
reply to post by AnonymousCitizen

 

Or maybe, JUST MAYBE the Vinson is there to relieve the Stennis so they can come home as scheduled. Guess what... this is SOP and has happened for the last 50 years.

Listen mate, I am sick of replies like this! Why is it you people always stand in the way of sensationalism and a good story?

You do realise the "deny ignorance" motto should be taken as completely sarcastic when discussing war, and it is the direct opposite you should be displaying in these warmongering threads right?

So please stop with the common sense diatribe that you are displaying! It really is in poor taste, you know?

How humorous and incisive!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!111

Royal Navy sends its mightiest ship to take on the Iranian show of force in the Gulf

What else do you need? Is that clear enough for you yet? Whatever regular rotation might be scheduled, there just so happens to be a standoff going on in the Straight of Hormuz. That is what is under discussion here, so if you want to be a joker, there's probably a thread for that here...

From the article you linked to smart guy:

"An MoD spokesman said: "While the newly operational Type 45 destroyer HMS Daring is more capable than earlier ships, her deployment East of Suez has been long planned, is entirely routine and replaces a frigate on station."

Perhaps read your own rebuttals before posting next time?

Originally posted by Loxmulder
And if we do to Iran what we did to Iraq, What do you think Russia and
China's response will be???...Those countries have armed and outfitted Iran
with conventinal and now Nuclear arms assistance...

I could care less is Iran is nuclear, and I find it un-plausable indeed that
with Iran's earthquakes they are going nuclear for elctricity...

Our relationship thanks to Christianity and it's ties to Israel will spell or doom
someday...The Iranians will never forgive nor forget our CIA " Operation Ajax "
in 1953...

Rod Severson
Seattle, Wa

edit on 12-1-2012 by Loxmulder because: I wanted to remove a sentence

Arming and outfitting is one thing, sending their own soldiers in to fight is another... Both China and Russia have too much to lose if they engage against the US & their allies... The only way that I see them getting involved is if we attack them on their soil, which wont happen...

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by michael1983l

 

I dont hate the USA, I hate the leaders who are running it.

That is probably the only statement you have ever made that I agree with 100%. Dude, please. Get rid of the meat puppet. It's sick.

OT: I believe they are serious this time. 3 American carriers (so far) plus a French carrier is a lot of heat to bring to bear.

And that doesn't include LHAs, the small aircraft carriers that carry a Battalion of Marines that are supported by their own air wing of 6-8 Harriers as well as other types of V/STOL aircraft, but mostly helos. The new America Class LHA is BAD ASS, and scheduled to be deployed in 2013. Nor the even bigger and badder LHD's, the "Harrier Carriers" that carry two squadrons of fighters.




I'm in the process of tracking down where these smaller carriers are currently deployed. Knowing where our amphibious forces are should shed some kind of light on the battle plan as well. If those ships that are carrying an MEU are being kept well away from the Persian Gulf, then the conflict will be strictly an air war.

Of course, that could be a head fake too. I remember during Desert Storm the Navy had the Tarawa parked off the coast of Iraq for months. Saddam was sure there would be an amphibious assault, as was I, but one Hail Mary later and he was toast. Never underestimate Pentagon war planners; they're a devious bunch of bastards.

Originally posted by jhn7537

Originally posted by Loxmulder
And if we do to Iran what we did to Iraq, What do you think Russia and
China's response will be???...Those countries have armed and outfitted Iran
with conventinal and now Nuclear arms assistance...

I could care less is Iran is nuclear, and I find it un-plausable indeed that
with Iran's earthquakes they are going nuclear for elctricity...

Our relationship thanks to Christianity and it's ties to Israel will spell or doom
someday...The Iranians will never forgive nor forget our CIA " Operation Ajax "
in 1953...

Rod Severson
Seattle, Wa

edit on 12-1-2012 by Loxmulder because: I wanted to remove a sentence

Arming and outfitting is one thing, sending their own soldiers in to fight is another... Both China and Russia have too much to lose if they engage against the US & their allies... The only way that I see them getting involved is if we attack them on their soil, which wont happen...

In case you did not know WW3 was almost upon us in 2007 during the US/Israel attack on the Syrian nuke base.
You attack her allies & you are playing with fire. All your USAUSA make them glass nonsense will be for nothing if the big balloon goes up!! An attack on Iran will not be localized & may well come knocking on the door of mainland USA if Russia/China get involved.