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reply posted on 18-1-2012 @ 07:41 AM by NeoVain
reply to post by cbankord



I think you will find that the makers of that website apparently was not wealthy, and where not even actual members of the illuminati beforehand, they where instructed to make that site as an "entrance exam" to be full fledged members. At least that is what they state somewhere on the site. They wanted the ideology to be public instead of having all the slander going around about them being so powerful and evil etc like is commonly believed. At least that is what they say.


reply posted on 19-1-2012 @ 10:37 AM by Slavich
Originally posted by Observor
Originally posted by The GUT
Originally posted by NeoVain
...Bottom line is this, what makes you believe you are even granted the intelligence or perception to be able to even begin to understand what "GOD" is?

Indeed only with certain evidence can we deduce this, and this evidence is what i believe Illuminati may be in possesion of.

The 'we are all God' part of the website seems to contradict the OWO vs NWO part. As I stated: If we are all God then the earthly competition of diverging philosophies is a moot point.

There is no right or wrong in a universe like that, so all the accusations/counter-accusations are in reality just illusion.

I don't buy their theory, I find it inconsistent in several parts, but this is not one of them.

Yes, there would be no right or wrong in such a universe from the point of view of the God. The right and wrong are from the point of view of a being who believes, but hasn't actualised that he/she is God. Anything that assists in that actualisation is right and anything that impedes it is wrong.

I remember another reincranationist saying, "I am going to be born in this world again. It is in my interests to see that the world that I am going to be born into is a better and a more just one for I know not who I will be born as". I doubt that argument will convince anyone who doesn't believe in reincarnation to act justly, but should be quite effective with one who does.
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That is definiately not what they are teaching on the website. Try actually reading the whole website (You didn't), and try again. I actually read it all. (Every article). You have it VERY twisted my friend.


reply posted on 20-1-2012 @ 01:31 AM by PopSecretMission
reply to post by NeoVain



Just read the "Illuminati-news" one before. Now I've read...a little...of the other directly Illuminati site....

I don't know...

I mean, I didn't read a tremendous amount of their site...so I may still change my mind if I go back and read more entries, but....

I'm questioning this.

I don't disagree with everything, but I certainly don't agree with everything, either. And some of their language was rather.....inappropriate to say the least. Things like:

"This is demonstrably the worst contract in the history of the world; all the more surprising since so many Jews are lawyers." - from The Jesus Myth

and

"Some Jews, their elite, will never be satisfied until they have fully avenged themselves against the world. Mammon has replaced Yahweh as their true God. Banks are the synagogues of Mammon. Wall Street is the Third Temple. Money is their new Ark of the Covenant. This isn't true of all Jews, of course: just the ones who want to dominate the rest of us. The others are entirely innocent." - also from The Jesus Myth

I mean, the last sentence of the second one gives a little leeway on the opinion, but Yeesh!

Not the mention how they speak about the Muslims going to Mecca:


"Look at the millions of Muslims participating in the annual pilgrimage to Mecca. Do they ever give the impression that they are thoughtful, independently-minded individuals who are open to criticism of their religion and who are capable of questioning their beliefs? Or do they resemble a mind-controlled horde who will tear to shreds anyone who rejects their beliefs?" again from the Jesus Myth

I don't really think they understand scientists too well, either considering they think (or whichever one of them wrote the site thinks) that scientists don't get into "faith" based fights with one another because they test things out first before they refute it. One only has to remember history class stories about the scientific community at large laughing hysterically at crazy ideas like the world being round and the Earth orbiting the Sun to realize this isn't true..but perhaps that deviates from the question at hand. Heck...doctors used to laugh at the idea of washing their hands in between patients!

Anyways, I think some of their ideologies don't exactly agree with mine, so.....I'm not going to say they are the bad guys....certainly not unless or until I read everything on their site, but I'm not necassarily going to totally back them, either. And yeah,....the little I did read (and I'm admitting it was just a little) IS making me question whether they are the real deal. Although, I will always contend in the historical Illuminati and will still also contend that there may be an Illuminati order out there that is authentic. I'm just not sure this is it. But certainly it still stands that the Old World Order needs to be done away with.

Thanks for posting!


reply posted on 20-1-2012 @ 12:09 PM by ZIPMATT
@ op ; Interesting but I dont think the quotes come from real 'illuminati' .

The difference between old and new world orders struck a note to me that on the banknotes the words

'Novos Ordera Seclorum'

appear. Forgive my Latin but 'seclorum' I take to mean in part 'secular' . And this distinction may help define the point , where the Old World Order are 'religious' and the New World Order are 'secular' as in , non-religious .

Both Old World and New World Order exist together then , diametricaly opposed in a struggle for control. Where it may appear that religious orders have lost , it is worth noting that , quietly , Rand Corporation's (a major finance/ ownership company part-investigated on ats) major shareholders are called 'The Bible Tract' , effectively , Jehovah's Witnesses .
Taking a 10% tithe , on all earnings , from your beleivership , week-in , week-out , thats how you get to be called World Orderers , new or not . Especially with the right investment policies .

The secular aspect , may relate to the fact this New secular Order has allowed and released freedoms such as divorce, homesexuality and atheism , and seems to promote the idea of evolution and scientific advance . Thereby it sees itself as a good thing , not something to fight against .

As for me , they are as bad as each other . Atheists are rarely humane , and Godist s very rarely unhypocritical money/power-grabbers either . I hope aliens with a sense of justice scrub them out !




reply posted on 20-1-2012 @ 06:05 PM by ZIPMATT
reply to post by JoshNorton



Oh please a little forgiveness , the off site content says , "one might assume" .

I hope it doesnt nullify my post too much , they're probably owl worshippers or something wierd , not secular at all .
'They' are also having are also having a war with 'islam' still , and that presidential candidate's donations showed by his tax return to be to the mormons .

Thanks for the heads up
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