I now believe in the fluoride conspiracy.

Originally posted by CrazyRaccoon
reply to post by MagnumOpus

 

Thank you for backing up my claim that he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Your welcome,

Lets elect Ron Paul so he can bust the City of London's usury exploitation of America and set these folks that worship a king that has no clothes out in the cold.

reply to post by MagnumOpus


Haha yeah! Ron Paul 2012 Stephen colbert said that if we vote for Ron Paul...we live in a cave

(he's making us seem like stupid cavemen) that is his message

It is more like the Monty Python Royalists in the UK won't be living in a damp old Castle and have to move to a damp cave, if we put Ron Paul in office. They'll have to give up the Damp Castle to make into apartments.

In the US, We'll have more money and freedom, like JFK was proposing, as Ron Paul is revamping that movement against the Royalist's Money Machine.

These Royalists are the ones that adopted these IG Farben Corporatism methods, which includes the fluoride methods to keep the public docile, to replace their Colonization games for power and control. There are reasons the Royals don't like fluoride and London doesn't have fluoridation, as they are the ones behind these Bilderberg like IG Farben Corporatism games. They are more than willing to use fluoride against the US to keep the US from waking up to the methods of Nimrod's successes with usury.

The US needs to return to the Money system being run by the Govt and the banking profits going into the Treasury for the Citizens uses, not these war monger bankers. That is the root of the fluoride conspiracy as it grew beyond German after WWII.

We can also see the British Lord Bertrand Russell giving much thought toward this system designed to indoctrinate the masses toward the goals of the British Empire’s exploitation directions:

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“Education should aim at destroying free will, so that, after pupils have left school, they shall be incapable, throughout the rest of their lives, of thinking or acting otherwise than as their schoolmasters would have wished. . . . Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.”
Bertrand Russell The Impact of Science on Society, Simon and Schuster, New York, 1953, p. 50.

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reply to post by MagnumOpus


aaah the nonsensecial ramblings of someone who has lost the debate and now he tries to grab straws from thin air....

CrazyRaccoon has your number:

"You're a liar or some kind of disinformation agent."

Thus, I agree with his observations. imho

Go Poison the Queen with your fluoride nonsense---let us know how far you get with poison water for Buckingham Palace and the German Royals of the UK using the faked name of Windsor, who funded IG Farben and German NAZIs in the early times.

Originally posted by CrazyRaccoon
reply to post by minor007

 

You're a liar or some kind of disinformation agent.

Here is fluorine

en.wikipedia.org...

?????? what about that link i didnt say was not true?

reply to post by minor007


It states that fluorine is toxic YOU said that it comes from sodium fluoride magically turning into a gas known as fluorine and it is safe and no danger is present

Originally posted by CrazyRaccoon
reply to post by minor007

 

It states that fluorine is toxic YOU said that it comes from sodium fluoride magically turning into a gas known as fluorine and it is safe and no danger is present

Fluorine is safe in small quantities and it is a vital element needed by the body. Also what I said was that when Sodium fluoride is mixed with water a chemical reaction takes place. The reaction frees the fluorine from the sodium and it bonds with the hydrogen from the water producing HF the same gas you breath in at the seaside or on the ocean.

reply to post by minor007


Not what MSDS says.

BTW i don't believe you because you never provide a link to back up your claim

Toothpaste has water as a base... if what you say is true that sodium fluoride will no longer be a threat then why do they state that less than a quarter of toothpaste has an added ingredient of 'Sodium fluoride'

and says "DO NOT INGEST" contact POISON control center RIGHT AWAY

Originally posted by CrazyRaccoon
reply to post by minor007

 

Not what MSDS says.

BTW i don't believe you because you never provide a link to back up your claim

Toothpaste has water as a base... if what you say is true that sodium fluoride will no longer be a threat then why do they state that less than a quarter of toothpaste has an added ingredient of 'Sodium fluoride'

and says "DO NOT INGEST" contact POISON control center RIGHT AWAY

edit on 13-1-2012 by CrazyRaccoon because: (no reason given)

NaF + H2O = HF + Na + OH
the above is the balanced formula for sodium fluoride and water. You can find this in any text book in chemistry
the formula states sodium fluoride (NaF) plus(+) water(H2O) gives a chemical reaction that produces Sodium(Na) Hydroxide (OH) and shock of horrors for you Hydrogen fluoride(HF).

The reason water dosent react with the sodium Fluoride when mixed to form toothpaste is that theres another ingredient that binds with the water and it is normally baking soda. Also any possible reaction with the water is minimised when sealed in an airtight container. This prevents the free fluorine and hydrogen ions from forming a gas leaving them in suspension within the toothpaste mix.

Toothpaste does contain more fluoride than tap water and unless you walk around all day with toothpaste in your mouth, the brief exposure dosent pose any risks unless you swallow it. Toothpaste is not meant for swallowing hence the warning labels do not swallow.

reply to post by minor007


Okay fine.

Arsenic is good

Radiation is good

Sodium monofluorophosphate is good (by the way sodium fluoride was an added ingredient in rat poison)

MSG is good

The U.S government is good


and we are all just a bunch of crazy idiots because one man who thinks he knows how this works says we're idiots

reply to post by CrazyRaccoon


Btw show me a rat poison label with sodium fluoride as an ingredient...

YOU know what you cant. YOu know why? sodium flouride has never been an ingredient in rat poison. However Sodium fluoroacetate is a rat poison. Are you becoming confused?

reply to post by minor007


Okay fine i can't a link that says sodium fluoride was in rat poison... but that doesn't say anything, they might have added the ingredient in rat poison for 50 years from 1900 to 1950 before officially removing the chemical name "sodium fluoride" and replacing it with something else

OH i forgot Sodium fluoroacetate is a sister compound of sodium fluoride.

I found this, www.epa.gov...

healthfreedoms.org...




If toothpaste is so safe there should not be a warning label on kids toothpaste...kids will swallow no matter what because they are kids and they like things which taste sweet
and Ora-jel is actually selling fluoride-free kids toothpaste...care to explain?

It should not state that we need to contact a poison control center that's only if you are poisoned by something

it should say medical center

Originally posted by minor007

Originally posted by CrazyRaccoon
reply to post by minor007

 

Not what MSDS says.

BTW i don't believe you because you never provide a link to back up your claim

Toothpaste has water as a base... if what you say is true that sodium fluoride will no longer be a threat then why do they state that less than a quarter of toothpaste has an added ingredient of 'Sodium fluoride'

and says "DO NOT INGEST" contact POISON control center RIGHT AWAY

edit on 13-1-2012 by CrazyRaccoon because: (no reason given)

NaF + H2O = HF + Na + OH
the above is the balanced formula for sodium fluoride and water. You can find this in any text book in chemistry
the formula states sodium fluoride (NaF) plus(+) water(H2O) gives a chemical reaction that produces Sodium(Na) Hydroxide (OH) and shock of horrors for you Hydrogen fluoride(HF).

The reason water dosent react with the sodium Fluoride when mixed to form toothpaste is that theres another ingredient that binds with the water and it is normally baking soda. Also any possible reaction with the water is minimised when sealed in an airtight container. This prevents the free fluorine and hydrogen ions from forming a gas leaving them in suspension within the toothpaste mix.

Toothpaste does contain more fluoride than tap water and unless you walk around all day with toothpaste in your mouth, the brief exposure dosent pose any risks unless you swallow it. Toothpaste is not meant for swallowing hence the warning labels do not swallow.

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Crazy Raccoon,

His analysis is off and he doesn't know chemistry.

But to make him look really dumb, go for the issue of sodium fluoride in toothpaste mixing with water in person's mouths and poisoning everyone with Hydrogen Fluoride, HF. HF is an extremely serious toxic form of fluorine, much worse than sodium fluoride.

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en.wikipedia.org...

Upon contact with moisture, including tissue, hydrogen fluoride immediately converts to hydrofluoric acid, which is highly corrosive and toxic, and requires immediate medical attention upon exposure.

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www.chemicalbook.com...

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Keep in mind that he just told everyone is drinking HF in the tap water, which is deadly poison.

Then sit back and laugh as he tries to explain his way out of the latest nonsense.

reply to post by MagnumOpus


Haha very good... obviously they have to dilute the fluoride with something else, you can't just dump it in that is not how it works.

He also probably thinks that because he is British or something that he is smarter and knows how fluoride works and fluoride toothpaste is 100% safe.

By the way i had 26mg of Sodium Fluoride it is rated 3.5 as the most dangerous substances...AND on the companies own website they say that sodium fluoride is a by product and highly corrosive to some metals and concrete, and yet they tell you (apply a small amount to toothpaste to stop cavities)

The British aren't that bright-----their Queen and the Windsors is really German. Their City Of London's Bankster pals are Germans also, Bauers. The Brits gave up all their mineral rights and most worship the Royalist games, which is more about Babylon Harlot religion worship.

This one doesn't have a clue on chemistry.

The tooth deal is sodium fluoride replaces OH- bonds on tooth enamel, which then becomes avaible to bacteria making acids that eat the enamel. The fluoride kills the bacteria and stops the acid. This was not a big deal until the British cranked up the sugar business with the Atlantic Triangle Trading deals. For instance, the India culture has very little tooth decay because they don't use processed sugar. The whole cavity deal is largely driven by these British Sugar culture trading---that was part of their slave trading. All the Brits like to cover up they started this jump in tooth decay problems due to their get rich quick schemes.


Your bumbling goofed up Brit thinks it makes HF----which is going to eat the enamel away. Totally different reaction.

It does make HF when it gets to the stomoch due to the acid PH driving the reaction there, and that means one has to consider the toxicity of HF and Hydrofluoric Acid.

reply to post by MagnumOpus


OMFG talk about clutching at straws

BOILING POINT of Hydrogen Fluoride is 19.54C. NUFF SAID
otherwords at room temperature HF becomes a gas...

Also Water has a ph of 7 and the baking soda contained as an ingredient within toothpaste regulates the ph making it neutral not acid.
And in the UK our drinking water has a ph value of around 7 and if you leave the water to stand the ph goes upto around 7.8 making the water alkaline which neutralises any excess HF

reply to post by minor007


I don't live in the UK more than half of these people don't

Then why do they Sodium fluoride to water? or toothpaste if it becomes a gas
you actually took up 2 pages because of your stubbornness

You know very little about the composition of a chemical or refuse to accept the truth and come up with the worst excuses OR trying to change the basic dangers of a lethal chemical

Sodium fluoride MSDS rating 4

"If using without gloves rinse hands for 10 minutes with medicated soap, make sure to rinse lather and repeat"

reply to post by CrazyRaccoon


because not all the fluoride escapes to be a gas. Small quantities of fluoride will still be suspended in the water solution as it takes time for the reaction to takes place. It is not instantaneous

Hydrogen and fluoride dont make the HF gas whilst suspended in water. When in the water pipes that is what happens till it gets exposed to air.

reply to post by minor007


So you admit that fluoride stays in the water? haha small quantities? yeah i know it is 0.9ppm in California
and some other states have as much as 1.4ppm of fluoride

BTW there would be no reason for them to be adding a useless chemical if it turns into a gas.

they must obviously add another chemical to trap the fluoride ions.