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Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by butcherguy
I think it was not activated according to the Israeli navy, but the CIWS is obsolete and the US has been replacing them with SeaRam etc.. and the ESSM
Originally posted by BRAVO949
Israel is not worth a single American life or dollar
Originally posted by apodictic
reply to post by bigyin
So where's your physics equation proving this?
The full power given off by a carrier is, let me say this again, on a "need to know" basis. YOU most certainly don't know.
During my time deployed on a carrier I asked how fast it was able to go. My reply was "Officially? 38 knots" I said "what's the max speed?" my response was "that's on a need to know basis." and that was it.
But yeah, I'm wrong.edit on 1-1-2012 by apodictic because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by Alien Abduct
Third of all the USA Isn't causing a war, Iran is causing a war by not abiding by their agreements.
Does not matter about these agreements, USA cannot dictate to the world what to do. What if China started dictating to the USA?
The UN security counsel has found Iran in non compliance with their treaties and has brought forth evidence for these claims for every UN country to view.
Apparently most countries agreed with the evidence in a vote and so sanctions were imposed as per agreements made with Iran.(and this is not the first time) In fact they have been habitually in violation.
The United States is not making these decisions to sanction Iran all by its self.
Originally posted by Alien Abduct
The UN security counsel has found Iran in non compliance with their treaties and has brought forth evidence for these claims for every UN country to view.
Apparently most countries agreed with the evidence in a vote and so sanctions were imposed as per agreements made with Iran.(and this is not the first time) In fact they have been habitually in violation.
The United States is not making these decisions to sanction Iran all by its self.
-Alien
So,, please help me understand your thinking
Originally posted by FoosM
Originally posted by Alien Abduct
The UN security counsel has found Iran in non compliance with their treaties and has brought forth evidence for these claims for every UN country to view.
Apparently most countries agreed with the evidence in a vote and so sanctions were imposed as per agreements made with Iran.(and this is not the first time) In fact they have been habitually in violation.
The United States is not making these decisions to sanction Iran all by its self.
-Alien
And that report was BS.
And so what?
Iran has the right to have nukes if they can build them.
Every sovereign nation has that right.
Well, I wouldn't go so far to say we should abandon Israel, they are our defenders against an united Caliphate state
Originally posted by BRAVO949
It just amazes me that any American can say that the United States won the war in Vietnam.
We lost the war in every way.
Technically America never declared war on anyone in Vietnam, it was a "police action", so America technically never fought a war in the first place.
De jure though, it was a defeat as, despite not losing a single battle and inflicting far greater casualties than suffered, the US failed in its political objectives, namely the defense of South Vietnam.
South Vietnam lost the Vietnam War not the US. The Vietnam War was a civil war in which the US was a third party. North and South Vietnam had been at war with each other before the US entered the conflict and were at war with each other after the US left the conflict.
To say the US lost the Vietnam War would be like saying the Soviet Union won the Vietnam War instead of saying North Vietnam won the Vietnam War. It was not our war to win or lose. The US should not be blamed for South Vietnam's shortcomings and lack of will. The US can give all the money and weapons to the South as it wants to, but the South has to have the will and desire to win and they did not have that. Therefore the loss is theirs, not ours.
--- It is widely considered that "America lost the Vietnam war." But (as previously explained) saying that America lost the war is a misstatement. It was misunderstood at the time of the war.
North Vietnam had indeed signed a peace agreement with the United States to leave South Vietnam and maintain a demilitarized zone, much as had been done in Korea. The North signed this agreement, waited until the United States had pulled almost all troops out of South Vietnam, and then attacked, and easily overtook the South.
Did we win? We won on honesty and integrity, both of which the North Vietnamese failed to display once the power of the United States had left. Although the US committed enormous resources and defeated the communists in tactical engagements time and again, there was a lack of will to do the things that have to be done to win a war: Go on the offensive, advance into enemy territory, seize the military initiative, and so forth.
In Korea, the US advanced all the way through North Korea to China at one point, although it was later forced back. The communists worried that the US might do this again, so they had an incentive to keep the truce. In Vietnam, treaties were signed, but the fighting went on.
Eventually, US public opinion tired of an endless, defensive war. Congress ordered an end to direct US military involvement in August 1973. US financial aid to South Vietnam was cut off in August 1974 and Saigon fell to the communists in April 1975.
Originally posted by Cosmic4life
reply to post by Camperguy
The Nimitz and Ford class Carriers are just as vulnerable as any other ship.
They are made of steel, you can believe they can take everything up to a nuke strike if you like, physics says otherwise.
If jet fuel can destroy the columns of the twin towers, just imagine what a thermate warhead will do to a steel ship.
Cosmic..edit on 31-12-2011 by Cosmic4life because: (no reason given)
The U.S. Navy has stated that the carriers could withstand three times the damage sustained by the Essex class inflicted by Japanese air attacks during World War II
Originally posted by FoosM
Originally posted by Alien Abduct
The UN security counsel has found Iran in non compliance with their treaties and has brought forth evidence for these claims for every UN country to view.
Apparently most countries agreed with the evidence in a vote and so sanctions were imposed as per agreements made with Iran.(and this is not the first time) In fact they have been habitually in violation.
The United States is not making these decisions to sanction Iran all by its self.
-Alien
And that report was BS.
And so what?
Iran has the right to have nukes if they can build them.
Every sovereign nation has that right.
Originally posted by Alien Abduct
Originally posted by BRAVO949
It just amazes me that any American can say that the United States won the war in Vietnam.
We lost the war in every way.
Technically America never declared war on anyone in Vietnam, it was a "police action", so America technically never fought a war in the first place.
De jure though, it was a defeat as, despite not losing a single battle and inflicting far greater casualties than suffered, the US failed in its political objectives, namely the defense of South Vietnam.
South Vietnam lost the Vietnam War not the US. The Vietnam War was a civil war in which the US was a third party. North and South Vietnam had been at war with each other before the US entered the conflict and were at war with each other after the US left the conflict.
To say the US lost the Vietnam War would be like saying the Soviet Union won the Vietnam War instead of saying North Vietnam won the Vietnam War. It was not our war to win or lose. The US should not be blamed for South Vietnam's shortcomings and lack of will. The US can give all the money and weapons to the South as it wants to, but the South has to have the will and desire to win and they did not have that. Therefore the loss is theirs, not ours.
--- It is widely considered that "America lost the Vietnam war." But (as previously explained) saying that America lost the war is a misstatement. It was misunderstood at the time of the war.
North Vietnam had indeed signed a peace agreement with the United States to leave South Vietnam and maintain a demilitarized zone, much as had been done in Korea. The North signed this agreement, waited until the United States had pulled almost all troops out of South Vietnam, and then attacked, and easily overtook the South.
Did we win? We won on honesty and integrity, both of which the North Vietnamese failed to display once the power of the United States had left. Although the US committed enormous resources and defeated the communists in tactical engagements time and again, there was a lack of will to do the things that have to be done to win a war: Go on the offensive, advance into enemy territory, seize the military initiative, and so forth.
In Korea, the US advanced all the way through North Korea to China at one point, although it was later forced back. The communists worried that the US might do this again, so they had an incentive to keep the truce. In Vietnam, treaties were signed, but the fighting went on.
Eventually, US public opinion tired of an endless, defensive war. Congress ordered an end to direct US military involvement in August 1973. US financial aid to South Vietnam was cut off in August 1974 and Saigon fell to the communists in April 1975.
Source
-Alien