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Originally posted by FAQAmerica
Hahaha... people will believe anything to make themselves feel better about what happens after your dead.
Your wormfood, it's hard to get angry at people who believe this crap though as its understandable to be scared.
And for the people having a go at science for not endorsing this nonsense, grow up, it's funny how you pick and choose which hearsay bollocks with no solid evidence that you want to believe and blame science for not following.
Originally posted by nightbringr
*** THERE IS NO PROOF '___' IS PRODUCED IN ANY QUANTITY OF SIGNIFICANCE IN THE BODY ***
Originally posted by Mizzijr
'___' is greatly connected with lucid dreaming, OBEs, and NDEs. The difference between the 3 is how much '___' is released from the pineal gland. '___' is released in profound abundance during NDEs and OBEs.
NO IT IS NOT! '___' HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN TO BE PRODUCED IN ANY QUANTITY LARGE ENOUGH IN THE BODY TO EFFECT THE BRAIN!
Please stop spreading misinformation!
Dr Rick Strassman, the foremost worlds authority on all things '___', and author of "The Spirit Molecule", has bebunked this himself time and time again. The sad thing is, people CREDIT him for these false statements.
And i quote:
Originally quoted by Dr Rick Strassman
Addendum by Rick Strassman
"I did my best in the '___' book to differentiate between what is known, and what I was conjecturing about (based upon what is known), regarding certain aspects of '___' dynamics. However, it's amazing how ineffective my efforts seem to have been. So many people write me, or write elsewhere, about '___', and the pineal, assuming that the things I conjecture about are true. When I was writing the book, I thought I was clear enough, and repeating myself would have gotten tedious.
"We don't know whether '___' is made in the pineal. I muster a lot of circumstantial evidence supporting a reason to look long and hard at the pineal, but we do not yet know. There are data suggesting urinary '___' rises in psychotic patients when their psychosis is worse. However, we don't know whether '___' rises during dreams, meditation, near-death, death, birth or any other endogenous altered state. To the extent those states resemble those brought on by giving '___', it certainly makes one wonder if endogenous '___' might be involved, and if it were, it would explain a lot. But we don't know yet. Even if the pineal weren't involved, that would have little overall effect on my theories regarding a role for '___' in endogenous altered states, because we do know that the gene involved in '___' synthesis is present in many organs, particularly lung. If the pineal made '___', it would tie up a lot of loose ends regarding this enigmatic little organ. But people seem to live pretty normals lives without a pineal gland; for example, when it has had to be removed because of a tumor.
"In both these regards--the pineal-'___' connection, and endogenous '___' dynamics--we ought to know a lot more within the next several years due to the efforts of a research group being led by Steven Barker at Louisiana State University. He, with his grad student Ethan McIlhenny, are developing a new super-assay for '___', 5-MeO-'___', bufotenine, and metabolites. This assay will be capable of detecting those compounds much more sensitively than previous generations of assays. They're looking at endogenous levels in awake sober normals, to assess baseline values of these compounds. We should have some data from those samples within a year. They also will be looking at pineal tissue. Once we have some baseline data in normal humans in normal waking consciousness, comparisons can be made between those levels and levels in endogenous altered states, like dreams, near-death, and so on."
So there we have it. Stop the misinfo PLEASE!
www.erowid.org...
DENY IGNORANCE, PEOPLE!edit on 30-12-2011 by nightbringr because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by AuranVector
I've never had the "white room" experience, but I know someone else who experienced something like it. He was a meditation teacher who had spent decades exploring the metaphysical.
In yoga one can reach a stage where one can see the entire phenomenal world dissolve into an endless field of White Light. This is not in the dream state however. It's in the waking state.
I was told the "endless field of White Light" is what is really here behind the appearance of separate objects.
Your mentioning a "thick, gray cloud" just reminded me of a dream I had last night (no kidding). In this dream, I felt that I must tell someone that I love him before it's too late -- before he dies. I looked outside the house and noticed a low-lying, unusually thick, dense gray cloud. It did not look right. It looked like an almost solid mass. I felt uneasy and sad -- then I remembered that he was already dead and it was too late.
Originally posted by hoonsince89
reply to post by nightbringr
Did you break through, I say it separated my spirit from my body because it did. I watched my body slowly fade away as i rose up and up, past the heavens and landed in another world with no body, free to move around. I had a consciousness and i could see although i had no eyes and no form. I met other beings who also had no form who spoke with telepathy and vibrations.
When i was here, i thought i had killed myself, my body was gone, not even in the same dimension.
Usually on other substances i can bring myself back into my body at will or at least no where it is or see it.
But here, it didn't exist.
And i assure you this was not just in my mind, I can understand if you where to say that, as i know how much things can change inside your head. But i swear, i was no longer on earth.
Originally posted by Mizzijr
Ok then, what is your explanation of these experiences. Help us understand. If that isn't the reason then what is the reason?
Originally posted by Mizzijr
'___' is greatly connected with lucid dreaming, OBEs, and NDEs. The difference between the 3 is how much '___' is released from the pineal gland. '___' is released in profound abundance during NDEs and OBEs.
Originally posted by Mizzijr
You say there is no proof. Well no duh, cause when somebody is traumatized on the brink of dying, the medics are too busy trying to save the patients life. They don't care about '___' levels. So where is the proof of no proof? Find a traumatized person and check their '___' levels, it is a challenge. Nobody can check like that sir.
Originally posted by Mizzijr
It is only an assumption by many due to what happens when we are dreaming. Many feel as though that it is released exponentially.
Originally posted by Mizzijr
Don't talk as if you know the unknown more than everybody else.
Originally posted by Adyta
I think that the fact Kid Cudi was there confirms this was a just a dying man's dream. You ever notice it's always the grandparent, parents, or in this case a rapper that greets them in the afterlife? Why is it never "I didn't know who he was, but he said his name was Michael (or Gabriel)".
Originally posted by CosmicEgg
It's not just a dying man's dream. It's a lot more than just anything. There's no "just" about it.
Originally posted by nightbringr
Originally posted by Adyta
I think that the fact Kid Cudi was there confirms this was a just a dying man's dream. You ever notice it's always the grandparent, parents, or in this case a rapper that greets them in the afterlife? Why is it never "I didn't know who he was, but he said his name was Michael (or Gabriel)".
This is a very good point.
If we are to assume that he was really there in spirit, why would he have been greeted by someone who is still alive?
Originally posted by nightbringr
Originally posted by CosmicEgg
It's not just a dying man's dream. It's a lot more than just anything. There's no "just" about it.
Well we cant claim it was "real" unless you want to believe that Kid Cudi can astrally project and went to meet him in heaven.
So what is it then, something in between?
Your wormfood, it's hard to get angry at people who believe this crap though as its understandable to be scared.
Originally posted by CosmicEgg
I meditate but it's totally free form. I have never learned a method, nor have I wanted to. It's all come to me so easily that there's been no need. But I don't understand what you mean by "the appearance of separate objects." Is that to say that I had crossed out of this 3D reality into another place or what? When I meditate, I never direct it. I just go. Today, New Year's Eve, is usually spent in a particularly deep and long meditation. This year will be extraordinary because I will have a few hours entirely to myself at home. That's almost unheard of on any day of the year!
My gray cloud event was during the birth of my first daughter. The umbilical cord was wrapped around her neck three times so I had to "stop pushing" (or so they ordered me to do) once her head was out. The placenta was being ripped off the uterine wall and she was being strangled and they were shouting at me to halt my involuntary contractions. Well, that was all a bit much to bear with no medication whatsoever, so I just left up there to my little cloud. I was there about 10 minutes and thought that maybe I should get back and see what's going on. My now ex-husband said I had a nap. Yep, a nap. Perfect time for it, really. Almost stoic of me, don't you think? lol My daughter was born quite a lovely shade of blue. She has suffered dysphasia and still has a good bit of trouble with languages. And she is clairvoyant as well as being quite beautiful. Sometimes it takes a lot to land on this dear Earth of ours.