Anarchy Would Be Good

Originally posted by Skewed
In simplistic terms, people have become comfortable in this world known as status quo. Sure we all see that there is something wrong in the world, but to change the world would be mean people would have to make sacrifices in which they have grown accustomed. Only way to beat that is for something so shocking that it even breaks through the veil of safety of all the distractions that are in our line of sight.

In other words, people fear the unknown. I have to agree with the plot of Tyler Durden.

That sounds like master morality

# Project Mayhem.would be awesome as long as nobody is hurt.

Imagine blowing up all debt.

Originally posted by theovermensch
But anarchy would be survival of the fittest.

... or the luckiest. ... or the ones who are the biggest bullies ...

Originally posted by ThatGuy45
Those will illnesses are unfortunate, yes. But there are and always have been natural ways for remedy.

That simply is not true. Show me the natural fool proof remedy for cancer. Better yet, show me the natural fool proof remedy for autoimmune diseases, specifically Sjogrens. If you can ... I'll give you a cyber kiss on your feet.

I maintain that anarchy would be very bad for humanity.
No more civilization. No more scientific discovery.
Just human-animals fighting primally for survival -
fighting the elements, fighting each other.

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Text No more civilization. No more scientific discovery. Just human-animals fighting primally for survival - fighting the elements, fighting each other.

Dont you think we could all get along. All come together?

I think something terrible must happen first. Something like the end of The Watchmen.

I think you might be right at the moment but people will come together in the near future is what I hope for. I think humanity will evolve.
Maybe things will collapse on their own,its looking more and more likely.
The sooner this whole thing falls apart the better if you ask me. The sooner it falls apart the sooner we can start again.We will have a libertarian/anarchist/socialist utopia before you know it.
I think we should have hope and be active and commited.

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Bingo.

From chaos gets stability.
From stability gets chaos.

Its a cycle of life. And the sure way to beget change is by chaos. I think we are well due for a little bit of chaos my self!

Originally posted by FlyersFan

I maintain that anarchy would be very bad for humanity.
No more civilization. No more scientific discovery.
Just human-animals fighting primally for survival -
fighting the elements, fighting each other.

In a way I think that is exactly what is needed. I think every person on the planet should experience the dark side of humanity before they make judgments sitting in the safety of their recliner. In order to evolve into something better, we all need to know what the worst is and experience it for ourselves. This is the problem with humanitarians in that they denounce the human darkside without understanding the true nature of it. Instead we should be embracing it and using it to our advantage.

Originally posted by theovermensch
Dont you think we could all get along. All come together?

No. I do not.

It's never happened before. We've had major situations in humanity ... plaque ... huge outbreaks of death and destruction. If humanity were wiped out down to a very few then those very few would be fighting for resources and fighting to enslave others so as not to become slaves themselves and those very few would fight over religious/spiritual beliefs/disbeliefs. The rule of the land would be 'biggest bully wins' and superstition instead of science and advancement.

Originally posted by theovermensch

Imagine blowing up all debt.

I have even had the twisted thought of trying to get a job at these banks as one of the IT people. Then after an amount of time destroy every bit of data on their servers and backups.

Human beings derived from anarchy/chaos; it isn't necessarily a bad thing if a given society all had intentions for the greatest good. Throw in some utilitarian ideologies and metaphysical understanding, and you have a nice republic

according to your theory of anarchism, if you throw a stone thru my business, i'll come out with a double barrel shotgun and blow your brains out.

your anarchist mob members will scatter like rats and leave your dead body there. they won't even give a sh-t, much less care or have your back.

it'll lie there for a few days because there aren't any police or ambulances or coroners to take it away.

no one will say anything to me.

in the end it'll be my responsibility to bury you since i killed you. most likely i'll drag you out of the way so none of my customers will smell your corpse.

you don't want anarchy. you won't last a day without the police.

Originally posted by randomname
according to your theory of anarchism, if you throw a stone thru my business, i'll come out with a double barrel shotgun and blow your brains out.

your anarchist mob members will scatter like rats and leave your dead body there. they won't even give a sh-t, much less care or have your back.

it'll lie there for a few days because there aren't any police or ambulances or coroners to take it away.

no one will say anything to me.

in the end it'll be my responsibility to bury you since i killed you. most likely i'll drag you out of the way so none of my customers will smell your corpse.

you don't want anarchy. you won't last a day without the police.

No, In my world the people wouldnt scatter at all. I see what you are saying though. And I agree. Wimps join mobs. Have you read 'Adentures of Huckleberry Finn'? Remember the mob chapter? I love how that guy deals with the mob. And what he says is true. Cowards form mobs.

But I dont want to form a mob.

I do think you should be able to shoot me in the face if I throw a rock through your window. If people knew you might shoot them for damaging your property they would be less inclined to do it.

And I dont want to go back to the stone age. There are different forms of anarchism.

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Originally posted by Skewed

Originally posted by theovermensch

Imagine blowing up all debt.

I have even had the twisted thought of trying to get a job at these banks as one of the IT people. Then after an amount of time destroy every bit of data on their servers and backups.

I keep hoping ANON will do something the same.

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Wrong!

This is what you get.............

If your on the other end of it.

Originally posted by sonnny1
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Wrong!

This is what you get.............

If your on the other end of it.

I think that says more about America than anything.

Look at the contrast between the people in Japan after the whole Fukushima thing and America after New Oreans flooding.
Seemed to me that the Japanese came together.
In New Orleans things went bad.

It would be unthinkable for the Japanese to act the way some in New Orleans did during a crisis.

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But I do agree. We need some order.

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Comparing Apples to Oranges.





Violence and Anarchy go hand in hand.

Take a look at the history of Anarchy.

Originally posted by sonnny1
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Comparing Apples to Oranges.

Violence and Anarchy go hand in hand.

Take a look at the history of Anarchy.

I have been. Eastern Ukraine seemed to have success with Anarchy.

Originally posted by sonnny1
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Comparing Apples to Oranges.

Violence and Anarchy go hand in hand.

Take a look at the history of Anarchy.

And comparing anarchy to a riot is 'apples and oranges' if you ask me.

I am a believer of the global conspiracy, I believe the few work to control the many so if we become anarchists wouldn't we just be fighting one another and letting those who have worked so hard to oppress us off scot free? In fact wouldn't it help them in pursuing their goals?
As I see it I wouldn't destroy my neighbors property, even though I don't like my neighbor he or she is in the same boat I am in and any conflict between us only hurts us and furthers the agenda of those who wish to control us by spreading fear and hate.
But in the same respect is it wrong for me to wish I could unleash all my hate and misery on those who have caused it? Is that anarchy to want revenge? Is it anarchy to want to hang and burn corrupt individuals who have worked to bankrupt and control mass amounts of people? And finally is it anarchy to want to kill those who rape children? I don't think so. The salarian on Mass Effect 2 said it best, "help good people, or kill bad people, either way helps."

not every ones view on anarchy is the same. some view it a chaos, some view it as breaking through their chains of slavery. i'm sure others view it even different. what we really need is the truth, courage, and the ability to gather.

Originally posted by theovermensch
I can relate to Chuck Palahniuks 'Fight Club'. It says alot about how the modern world makes us impotent. Makes us feel imasculated. The modern world makes us paralysed. The themes seem to blame consumerism materialism and commercialism. It is saying that by placing such importance on material gain we are missing out on things that are real. We are missing what is good. It is saying that societies values are all out of whack and it is difficult for those that are aware.

I can also agree with that.

Why cant we all be Tyler Durden?

Because the only thing that happens to people with Durden's mentality is death; and ultimately, that's the only thing that said attitude deserves.

Nihilism, further negativity, and wanting to send society into a state of complete entropy are not the answer to our current mess. The entire reason why some people are in said mess to begin with, is because there has been a move away from both positivity and concrete values.

We need to remember love. We need to start to re-assert concrete ethics. I'm also not talking about fascism here. Fascism in reality is lawlessness and chaos for the government. The people end up being destroyed by it.

We need to start to really care about each other. That is what is going to improve things.