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posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 12:45 PM
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Ha! He cries more on celebrity apprentice than that movie. Meatloaf is a baby.




posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
Anarchy would NOT be good for most people. Know why? I'll give you two big reasons ...

1 - Those who are ill or chronically ill. Anarchy means no medicines. No antibiotics. No insulin. No heart medications. No bloodpressure medications. No way to have operations. Women would die in childbirth. Chronically ill people (like me) would suffer insane pain. A simple tooth infection, that can be taken care of now by a root canal and antibiotics, would kill you if anarchy was going on.

2 - Financial collapse means most people in the USA would be beyond poor. Food production and delivery would stop. Nearly everyone would starve to death. Poor countries that depend on us for food and medicine - like in Africa - would be wiped clean of people. All dead.

Anarchy means MASSIVE numbers of dead.
There are 7 billion people on this planet now.
Almost all would die .. either of starvation, infection, freezing to death, or for lack of medical help.



Both of your points can be summed up by the fact that most Humans have no 'real' clue how to live/survive/take care of themselves. Those will illnesses are unfortunate, yes. But there are and always have been natural ways for remedy. Remember, there have been far more civilizations before us with less 'stuff' and they survived to produce us. Wal-mart didn't save them....

Survival of the fittest. I agree. we are limping along the weaker ones, and its a drain on many. Truth hurts, yes. Im not saying to hell with medicine and dont try to save people. But the ones who cannot live without artificial intervention are not meant to still live. Sorry. I hate this saying but it is accurate: we have been playing 'god' for a while now with 'modern medical marvels'.

I hunt and can provide meat. A garden is really really easy to grow. There are countless books for natural herbs...
Its call provide for yourself. And when people come together and make a real community, they all help one another. To survive! Laziness, all of us - me too i will admit it!

Bring on the ridicule


edit: Oh and 'poor' has nothing to due with anything. Id rather have animals in the barn, meat in the freezer, and shelves full of canned veggies then an OZ of gold or paper money for that matter. Cant eat the $ can you?! If you provide for yourself, theres nothing to buy!!
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posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 12:46 PM
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No I havent.

Thanks for the direction hey.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 12:50 PM
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I don't know if Anarchy is the answer but definitely, corporatocracy needs to end if the majority do not want to live as slaves.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 12:50 PM
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Text Survival of the fittest. I agree. we are limping along the weaker ones, and its a drain on many. Truth hurts, yes. Im not saying to hell with medicine and dont try to save people. But the ones who cannot live without artificial intervention are not meant to still live. Sorry. I hate this saying but it is accurate: we have been playing 'god' for a while now with 'modern medical marvels'.


I think its a good point. Makes me think of Spartans.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by blackrain17
I don't know if Anarchy is the answer but definitely, corporatocracy needs to end if the majority do not want to live as slaves.


I agree.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 12:52 PM
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First, survival of the fittest refers to the person who can procreate the most ... and has nothing to do with anarchy and it's correllary "survival of the morally weakest."

Second, anarchy NEVER stays anarchy for long because it creates a "power vacuum" and a dictator or other "control freak" eventually takes over. Out of chaos - ORDER. It's a cycle that can't be broken with the current state of humankind.

You said:



It says alot about how the modern world makes us impotent. Makes us feel imasculated. The modern world makes us paralysed. The themes seem to blame consumerism materialism and commercialism.


That is putting the cart before the horse. The persons who judge their self-worth by their buying power are the same persons with lack of confidence ... and confidence is something you ALLOW yourself to EARN and Possess.

Persons is non-material (3rd world countries mostly) societies have other standards they judge themselves by. Ultimately, self-judgement can be overly harsh and must allow for realistic goals, opportunities and means of attaining said goals.

This is like comparing chickens and apples. Self-worth has nothing to do with materialism.

edit on 14/12/2011 by Trexter Ziam because: typo



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 12:54 PM
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I agree with you for the most part. However, I think you may have misunderstood the definition of "arbitrary".

This is a very complex topic, and maybe the most important topic any society can contemplate.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 12:54 PM
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Text Second, anarchy NEVER stays anarchy for long because it creates a "power vacuum" and a dictator or other "control freak" eventually takes over. Out of chaos - ORDER. It's a cycle that can't be broken with the current state of humankind.


I dont think you can say that. It seemed to be working fine in Eastern Ukraine until the damn Bolshaviks put a stop to it. Maybe its worth another look.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 12:57 PM
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Text That is putting the cart before the horse. The persons who judge their self-worth by their buying power are the same persons with lack of confidence ... and confidence is something you ALLOW yourself to EARN and Possess.
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I disagree. Samurai are the highest evolution of man if you ask me. They could not function in todays world. They would have to remove every second persons head or kill themselves. They could not live with the perpetual dishonour this worlds forces us to endure.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 01:01 PM
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Text First, survival of the fittest refers to the person who can procreate the most ... and has nothing to do with anarchy and it's correllary "survival of the morally weakest."


That sounds like slave morality. Maybe your idea of what is 'good' differs to mine. That does not mean I am morally weak.

And you dont get to procreate unless you are the fittest.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 01:06 PM
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You need a system of government with elected officials to make decisions for the greater good of all. However eloquent that sysemt sounds, governments get corrupted over time. You can not stop it. Corruption is inevitable.

A hard reboot works. A little revolution every now and then is a good thing.

The human race has over time become weakend by it very existance. The weak (mentally, physically or spiritually) are allowed to limp along with the strong. Its it self defeating, much like capatlism.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 01:07 PM
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Originally posted by ThatGuy45
Survival of the fittest. I agree. we are limping along the weaker ones, and its a drain on many. Truth hurts, yes. Im not saying to hell with medicine and dont try to save people. But the ones who cannot live without artificial intervention are not meant to still live. Sorry. I hate this saying but it is accurate: we have been playing 'god' for a while now with 'modern medical marvels'.


Um I tend to disagree with you here TG45. I totally get what you are saying and I am not going to simply flame you for wording, but you are talking about two different trajectories here. Sure on the one hand you could say Darwinism...it works b----es! and that is the law of the land so tough luck... but really we are well past the point of physical Darwinian evolution in the whole 'sharks evolving into an apex predator' physical fitness sense of the word.

Humans are generalists and very good ones at that, not because of our physical prowess but because of our brains and our ability to apply reason and logic to problems. We did not and still do not need rows and rows of sharp teeth and lots of big muscles to outmaneuver threats we simply outsmart them. This is just as true for physical ailments as it is for procurement of food and diverting danger.

Medicine and physical aid to not contribute to devolution, its our brains that are the crown jewel of human evolution we are simply mending the vessel nothing more.
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posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 01:09 PM
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Text A hard reboot works. A little revolution every now and then is a good thing.
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Hell yeah!



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 01:11 PM
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Real anarchy cannot exist because no matter what system we are in, whether it's capitalism, communism, socialism or whatnot...one essential role plays the exploitation of people for the gain of others. Whether it is for gain like financial gain (letting others work for you)....or simply for the reason "to have power over others".

Even in a hypothetical anarchic society, people will in some form micro-organize themselves with the result that ONE person will tell others what to do and when to do it...while one side will be the "sheeple" and the other side will be those who are in control. Because it's how humans work.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by flexy123
Real anarchy cannot exist because no matter what system we are in, whether it's capitalism, communism, socialism or whatnot...one essential role plays the exploitation of people for the gain of others. Whether it is for gain like financial gain (letting others work for you)....or simply for the reason "to have power over others".

Even in a hypothetical anarchic society, people will in some form micro-organize themselves with the result that ONE person will tell others what to do and when to do it...while one side will be the "sheeple" and the other side will be those who are in control. Because it's how humans work.



It seems that alot of people feel that way. In my opinion if we are not capable of something better then we should all kill ourselves. I also think if it is fact that we cant achieve something better then we deserve evrything we get. It is no wonder the oligarchs stamp on our faces. Why shouldnt they?

I have more faith in humanity.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 01:22 PM
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I can agree with you for the most part, And i admit I may have been a little heavy handed with that statement. But you said it best: "Apply logic and reason" and I am sorry but the masses severely lack that ability. And I do not believe there is one reason to blame but a collection of several - And 'weaker' minded individuals help contribute, IMO.

I think the more real key point is the ability to work together, Instead of trying to overcome one another. Tho 'working together' may not seem to fit in an anarchy situation, it can in the sense of we would be all working towards a common goal: change.



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 01:23 PM
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"Dont know what I want but I know how to get it" - Johnny Rotten.

"Dont know what I want but I know what Im getting" - theovermensch
edit on 14-12-2011 by theovermensch because: Ive been singing the wrong words (: Mine are better



posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 01:26 PM
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posted on Dec, 14 2011 @ 01:29 PM
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In simplistic terms, people have become comfortable in this world known as status quo. Sure we all see that there is something wrong in the world, but to change the world would be mean people would have to make sacrifices in which they have grown accustomed. Only way to beat that is for something so shocking that it even breaks through the veil of safety of all the distractions that are in our line of sight.

In other words, people fear the unknown. I have to agree with the plot of Tyler Durden.





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