Hitler Was a Socialist!!!

Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

Socialism - A theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

Like I said,read the Bible. Helping the poor is one story. The Bible contradicts this type of system throughout its many verses.

Spin away though............

The bible does not contradict socialism or communism. It only contradicst capitalism and how profit is made. If profit is made by unethical means then it should be considered stealing.

Further I do not support communism and second I feel frustrated that you continue to mislead people with purposefully erroneous definitions. Give it a rest man!

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

If profit is made by unethical means then it should be considered stealing.

I could see that, but please elaborate on what is unethical exactly?
You are going to back that statement with some sort of example I presume?

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

Stealing and sharing are not identical unless you choose to pervert the context. Jesus implied sharing wealth with the less fortunate and looked down upon the lazy. Lazy means you do not want to work to live and acquire wealth.

I do believe you just described the entire Labor Union movement as well as the Occupy Wall Street movement.

Correct me if I'm wrong though.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

Socialism - A theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

Like I said,read the Bible. Helping the poor is one story. The Bible contradicts this type of system throughout its many verses.

Spin away though............

The bible does not contradict socialism or communism. It only contradicst capitalism and how profit is made. If profit is made by unethical means then it should be considered stealing.

Further I do not support communism and second I feel frustrated that you continue to mislead people with purposefully erroneous definitions. Give it a rest man!

Erroneous?


Thats the EXACT definition man...........



God gives Job his WEALTH back!!!!! He gave Solomon wealth. Is he a Capitalist for giving them this???



The bible has many story's of wealth,and those that attain it. It does not CONTRADICT capitalism,nor even is the word in there, as socialism isn't in there.It talks about GREED,which you obviously cant understand.

It is you that is in error.

So has thehoneycomb authored a "Was Jesus a socialist!!!" yet?

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


Jesus wasn't a socialist.
So why would I author something thats not true?



I can lead that honor to you, since you regard falsehoods higher than truths.

Originally posted by mastahunta

Look at the case of the freest market in Mexico, the drug market...
Do you know how many major players exist in that free market?

Wow, so the drug cartels are capitalists?... really?... Free Market doesn't mean to force your will upon others, to assassinate the competition, and to bleed the streets of whatever city you are living at... That is chaos, not capitalism...

Originally posted by mastahunta
Plus, big industries like oil, insurance and lending are not subject to
any real distinction in the nature in the product. Therefore competition
is not based upon tangible difference, it is based almost purely upon
marketing. In these markets competition only inflates the price as it
does not improve the quality of the goods considerably, it only bears
more cost which is passed on to the consumer and secondary markets.

It is illusory competition...

Big industries, like big oil wouldn't be so big if progressives hadn't implemented so many laws to squeeze the little guys, the small businesses. Keep the government out of business, keep the government out of education, and people's lives.

Get rid of the laws which keep the little guys tied in chains, and more competition will appear. However, every company, just like people, should be responsible for what they do. If their actions caused the death of people, or the unwanton destruction of private property or the environment such companies/people should pay for what they do. But instead of having the government regulate what companies do, allow law enforcement(civilians), including sheriffs, investigate such occurrences and they should deal with the crimes committed by companies/people.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by mastahunta

Look at the case of the freest market in Mexico, the drug market...
Do you know how many major players exist in that free market?

Wow, so the drug cartels are capitalists?... really?... Free Market doesn't mean to force your will upon others, to assassinate the competition, and to bleed the streets of whatever city you are living at... That is chaos, not capitalism...

Thats a free market all right, free drugs and free money, where do I sign up?

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
So has thehoneycomb authored a "Was Jesus a socialist!!!" yet?

I have to laugh every time someone makes that claim...

Jesus wasn't fond of any political parties, and he wouldn't join any...

He WASN'T a revolutionary...heck the founding fathers of the U.S. WEREN'T revolutionaries either. The WAR FOR INDEPENDENCE wasn't called a revolution.

Revolutions is what far leftwingers do, not what patriots who wanted every individual to have his/her freedom, for people to have a right to private property, to have a right to defend themselves, for capitalism to flourish without any favoritism in the part of the government, and for the government to remain SMALL...

Revolutionaries want their socialist/leftwinger party to have total control, to get rid of private properties,to get rid of capitalism, and those who don't like the "revolution" are forced to do their will, or are sent to indoctrination camps, or to prisons/gulags.

reply to post by thehoneycomb


So are you saying that Jesus was a Capitalist like you? How much did he charge his followers? I remember him saying some very socialist things in the bible, and he even threw out the money changers in the temple, so there goes those capitalist mega-churches.

Hitler was a smart lunatic.

2nd.

reply to post by Adama


I made no such claim, but if you want to give it a go have at it. I could use some entertainment.

Not going to stick up for the mega church either, did you see the thread with the Jesus statue struck by lightning?

In Houston there is a huge cross probably 1 mile tall. It is a bit ridiculous, and can be seen for miles.

Originally posted by Adama


So are you saying that Jesus was a Capitalist like you? How much did he charge his followers? I remember him saying some very socialist things in the bible, and he even threw out the money changers in the temple, so there goes those capitalist mega-churches.

Oooh that's right...Jesus put dozens, upon dozens of taxes on his followers i forgot...

BTW, in case you didn't know Jesus himself stated he wasn't there for changing religions or politics.

BTW, if you started discussing socialism at the table with Jesus, he would probably would have thrown you out as well...

Stop lying people... Jesus wouldn't call himself a socialist, wouldn't discuss politics, and much less be a revolutionary like leftwingers claim...

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by Adama


So are you saying that Jesus was a Capitalist like you? How much did he charge his followers? I remember him saying some very socialist things in the bible, and he even threw out the money changers in the temple, so there goes those capitalist mega-churches.

Oooh that's right...Jesus put dozens, upon dozens of taxes on his followers i forgot...

BTW, in case you didn't know Jesus himself stated he wasn't there for changing religions or politics.

BTW, if you started discussing socialism at the table with Jesus, he would probably would have thrown you out as well...

Stop lying people... Jesus wouldn't call himself a socialist, wouldn't discuss politics, and much less be a revolutionary like leftwingers claim...

edit on 3-12-2011 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)

100% true, and just like the right, he'd cheer at people dying...right? Totally sounds like that Jesus person from the book

Wow, so the drug cartels are capitalists?... really?... Free Market doesn't mean to force your will upon others, to assassinate the competition, and to bleed the streets of whatever city you are living at... That is chaos, not capitalism..

Sadly, that's simply not the case....all that counts is PROFIT nowadays. And if that means they have to buy politicians and kill people, so be it. In a free market system there's no regulations stopping you to do anything except for your own moral guidelines (which most companies including drug cartels don't have).

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

Stealing and sharing are not identical unless you choose to pervert the context. Jesus implied sharing wealth with the less fortunate and looked down upon the lazy. Lazy means you do not want to work to live and acquire wealth.

I do believe you just described the entire Labor Union movement as well as the Occupy Wall Street movement.

Correct me if I'm wrong though.

Well, give that OWS is against Wall Street using $75 trillion of taxpayer money as collateral for their risky bets WITHOUT having to work for it, I'd say he accurately described Wall Street...not OWS. Even more so because they buy politicians to get around having to properly compete with the rest of the economy.

But who cares about facts if they can just repeat rightwing nonsense they pick up on Faux News...right?

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Euphemisms make the hard truth easier for fragile minds.Sorry.

Hitler exaggerated the threat of a particular enemy, demonized a race, militarized the police, disarmed the public, imposed strict politically correct speech, was fixated on nature and spiritualism, and promoted 'people's' ownership by nationalizing companies. Even created a car called the people's car (volkswagon).

He most definitely was a militarized progressivist socialist. His strongest ally was Stalin, who provided military support for the opening attack on Poland. Hitler and Stalin collaborated created concentration camps to eliminate their chosen undesirables. Only later did a Syphilis-addled Hitler see Stalin as a threat and attack

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

If profit is made by unethical means then it should be considered stealing.

I could see that, but please elaborate on what is unethical exactly?
You are going to back that statement with some sort of example I presume?

I gave many examples in most of my posts, so what is the reason to rehash everything for you? If you don't know what *unethical* is then look it up in the dictionary. Hopefully the meaning has not been perverted like socialism has. .

reply to post by sonnny1


Personal greed is a capitalist trait, not a socialist or communist trait. The left encourages big government and sharing wealth and happiness. Those that want everything for themselves and couldn't give a rats ass about others are conservatives.

To conserve wealth means to keep wealth. No wonder the government is seen as "the enemy". Redistribution is "bad" eventhough there is a finite amount of currency in each nation and all the wealth in such capitalist enviroment keeps going up, eventhough the workers make the profit for their fat-donut eating bosses.

To conserve also means to keep the status quo, since before capitalism we had monarchs who hoarded all the money and fame for themselves. They called themselves noblemen and anyone outside the court was seen as a commoner.

Originally posted by Adama
reply to post by thehoneycomb

 

So are you saying that Jesus was a Capitalist like you? How much did he charge his followers? I remember him saying some very socialist things in the bible, and he even threw out the money changers in the temple, so there goes those capitalist mega-churches.

People are confusing Western Capitalism(Which has it's roots in Calvinism) with highway robbery/extortionism.

Capitalism isn't "whatever the market will bare"(which roughly translates into laymans terms "give me what ever you got"). Capitalism is based upon fairness, and supply and demand.

The problem is that the type of people who used to go into organized crime got a degree and are running our economy. Remove the crooks= problem solved.

P.S
the money changers where the tax collectors. Jew's had to go to the money changers to switch their local currency for Roman currency in order to pay their tax's. A very, very high percentage of Jew's traveled to Jerusalem annually to pay homage to the Creator. So, the Romans(Italians, well modern Italians are a mix of Germanic Lombard's and Romans) took advantage of that fact to maximize tax collection. Hence why the Romans wanted to execute Jesus; he was interfering with their protection racket, err I mean tax collection.